VN Ren'Py Jessica O'Neil's Hard News [v0.65] [stoperArt]

[Deleted member 563623]

I think omarsayed is onto an inkling of a point here... somehow.

There is an imbalance in the manner in which Jessica is willing to step outside of her relationship with Conner. It's presented as if doing so with a woman is almost like playing a game on easy mode. Whereas with a dude it's hard mode (absolutely no pun intended...). It's not just with Heather, though that's the big one. She's happy to become makeout buddies with Blake and forms a deeper connection with her than any non-Conner male besides maybe Parker. She can't stop going on about Eve's sexy accent and other little things like that. It's a matter of presentation and context.

On the other hand, if you give Victor a hand, you miss out on important plot details and get outright scolded in this most recent update. That's clearly a "bad option". Same deal with the bridge guy in an early update. If you use sex appeal on him you get in trouble with Rosa and miss a fun little scene with Parker. Speaking of who, it took MUCH more work to get anything done with him compared to the other main option Heather, and it's still only at handjob/petting area. Meanwhile sex has already happened at least twice with Heather and most likely will again before anything significant with someone else. Any progress with a male character takes a lot more work, particularly if it's not directly for work benefits.

There is mostly nothing invalid or unrealistic about any of this. Besides the idea that lesbian stuff 'doesn't count' anyway, which is problematic for a bunch of reasons. It's just a weird bias that is destined to miff some people. Particularly given that playing the game in a way that Jessica is 100% straight is not just an option but arguably the basis route (that's the only thing that makes sense right? How else can she go through the entire game happily ignoring all women?).

 

[fortuna95]

I hope of lewd stuff with this french hottie! Maybe "seductive" is a hint for it

 

[omarsayed]

Nope, we don't. All I said was that she started out with a boyfriend she hadn't seen in a while and is now back from wherever. Your mind filled in that "straight, normal" nonsense yourself, and you're attempt to impose that is your big problem.

Then you move goalposts and contend that no woman would act like that in real life, and that was shown to be a lie (I even provided links) as there are women with heterosexual histories who end up doing just that.

It does not have to be anyone else's if they so choose, and there is ample justification revealed for alternate interpretations as you make these choices.

And now you're back to this and the answer remains the same. Because the dev created the character to be that way. If you don't like how he progresses his own game, then tough shit. You whine because your fetishes are not yet serviced, and try to couch it in some justification via story or realism, then cry when your reasoning is exposed as shallow. The game isn't even done and you're already talking about having "your choices stripped", lol!

you are a joke to yourself and everybody else here at this point .

you ((Then you move goalposts and contend that no woman would act like that in real life, and that was shown to be a lie (I even provided links) as there are women with heterosexual histories who end up doing just that.))

ME (( ((MARK MY WORDS HERE )) I'm not saying it can't happen bec it can but what are the chances ?? and you can look the static yourself of how many straight women cheats her husband with girls compared to cheating her husband with men's that's a very low chance and not the normal thin and very easy like you are making it to b.))

you just keep twisting my words again and again to your liking

and you didn't answer a single vailed point I wrote about.

there is no balance in the game between the male and the female's routes and you twisting facts to prove that everything is normal and fine ..oh btw can you show me some links for comparing wife cheating on there husband with girls vs cheating them with guys ?? NO?? I thought so.

this just proves you didn't even play the male routes and you have no idea what are you talking about other than just trying to make people wrong bec they don't agree with your views
bec you just want the game to keep going in the same direction in the female's routes even if it doesn't make sense.

and thanks god am not the only one seeing this you just turn a blind eye to anything doesn't suit your needs.

 

[omarsayed]

I think omarsayed is onto an inkling of a point here... somehow.

There is an imbalance in the manner in which Jessica is willing to step outside of her relationship with Conner. It's presented as if doing so with a woman is almost like playing a game on easy mode. Whereas with a dude it's hard mode (absolutely no pun intended...). It's not just with Heather, though that's the big one. She's happy to become makeout buddies with Blake and forms a deeper connection with her than any non-Conner male besides maybe Parker. She can't stop going on about Eve's sexy accent and other little things like that. It's a matter of presentation and context.

On the other hand, if you give Victor a hand, you miss out on important plot details and get outright scolded in this most recent update. That's clearly a "bad option". Same deal with the bridge guy in an early update. If you use sex appeal on him you get in trouble with Rosa and miss a fun little scene with Parker. Speaking of who, it took MUCH more work to get anything done with him compared to the other main option Heather, and it's still only at handjob/petting area. Meanwhile sex has already happened at least twice with Heather and most likely will again before anything significant with someone else. Any progress with a male character takes a lot more work, particularly if it's not directly for work benefits.

There is mostly nothing invalid or unrealistic about any of this. Besides the idea that lesbian stuff 'doesn't count' anyway, which is problematic for a bunch of reasons. It's just a weird bias that is destined to miff some people. Particularly given that playing the game in a way that Jessica is 100% straight is not just an option but arguably the basis route (that's the only thing that makes sense right? How else can she go through the entire game happily ignoring all women?).

TY BRO
I know it just doesn't make any sense ppl just want to ignore it for there benefits to try to push the game going in the same direction they want.

 

[chimichangajones]

I miss most of the lesbian content because the swinger couple is sleazy and disgusting. When I see their renders a foul smell rises in my nostrils. I know it’s psychosomatic because they aren’t real people and even if they were you couldn’t actually smell them through an internet connection, but damned if they don’t look so greasy and filthy that your mind briefly entertains the possibility nonetheless.

 

[PinkBishop]

Wow it's just a game everyone. Please relax.

And while we are at it, there are no good adult games with great lesbian/mm content and storytelling in them. At best you can hope for something average that aren't too much male fantasy lesbian oriented.

 

[umby]

I would like to point out to some optimist that stoper didn't even want to give a date for the next update of a single scene

 

[cxx]

What kind of man goes on the internet and pretends to be a woman?

one reason is to get dick pics for blackmailing.

 

[GPsarakis]

I hope of lewd stuff with this french hottie! Maybe "seductive" is a hint for it

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That would be nice, they're fighting for the same job spot, maybe a "fight" can lead to some aggressive lesbian sex.

 

[Olivia_V]

I'm not saying it can't happen bec it can but what are the chances ?? and you can look the static yourself of how many straight women cheats her husband with girls compared to cheating her husband with men's that's a very low chance and not the normal thin and very easy like you are making it to b.

Oh, my... lol! Who cares about the actual statistic? All that matters is that it can happen, and happens often enough that it can power an entire school of sexuality theory (sexual fluidity). Often enough to become a popular porn trope. Ultimately, often enough that most of the audience can contemplate it happening to this character. Nobody is arguing that it happens more often than women cheating on their husbands with other men.

How's that for marking your silly words?

there is no balance in the game between the male and the female's routes and you twisting facts to prove that everything is normal and fine ..oh btw can you show me some links for comparing wife cheating on there husband with girls vs cheating them with guys ?? NO?? I thought so.

You're complaining about fetish balance in a game that is... what, 30% complete? Does story progression necessarily involve a pie chart of which fetishes got how much air time? Maybe I should go over to ORS make a self-righteous snit about how Lena hasn't made out with a female hooker yet.

You keep thinking that raw statistic is a valid point. It's not. Not even the most focused-grouped corporate creation is measuring every plot twist through a general survey. Furthermore, nobody is arguing that women cheat with men more often than they cheat with other women. All that is being said, if you bothered to understand, is that because it actually happens, it is fair game for a story like this. Nobody is buttressing that argument on women cheating with other women being a more common occurrence.

this just proves

At this point, I'm not even sure you know the meaning of the word...

There is an imbalance in the manner in which Jessica is willing to step outside of her relationship with Conner. It's presented as if doing so with a woman is almost like playing a game on easy mode. Whereas with a dude it's hard mode (absolutely no pun intended...). It's not just with Heather, though that's the big one. She's happy to become makeout buddies with Blake and forms a deeper connection with her than any non-Conner male besides maybe Parker. She can't stop going on about Eve's sexy accent and other little things like that. It's a matter of presentation and context.

On the other hand, if you give Victor a hand, you miss out on important plot details and get outright scolded in this most recent update. That's clearly a "bad option". Same deal with the bridge guy in an early update. If you use sex appeal on him you get in trouble with Rosa and miss a fun little scene with Parker. Speaking of who, it took MUCH more work to get anything done with him compared to the other main option Heather, and it's still only at handjob/petting area. Meanwhile sex has already happened at least twice with Heather and most likely will again before anything significant with someone else. Any progress with a male character takes a lot more work, particularly if it's not directly for work benefits.

There is mostly nothing invalid or unrealistic about any of this. Besides the idea that lesbian stuff 'doesn't count' anyway, which is problematic for a bunch of reasons. It's just a weird bias that is destined to miff some people. Particularly given that playing the game in a way that Jessica is 100% straight is not just an option but arguably the basis route (that's the only thing that makes sense right? How else can she go through the entire game happily ignoring all women?).

I think this sort of scaling is a common occurrence due to a lot of literary convention, and a not-insignificant amount of conventional wisdom. On the literary side, the heart of the standard romance novel conflict was always the overcoming of a "taboo", be it a social, cultural or sexual taboo. So, overcoming a taboo is supposed to take time. If it is easily overcome, then the taboo cannot generate that erotic charge that comes with transgressing it. For example, a manor lord having sex with the maid isn't as hot when the maid expects it like she expects her taxes and everybody's doing it. On the conventional wisdom side, it is a commonly believed assertion that women are sexually attracted to dangerous men. It is also commonly believed that female attraction points upwards (aka the man must be better at something... be richer, higher status, etc).

So, why the so-called "imbalance" at this point of an incomplete game (I cannot stress this enough)? Because most of the male characters Jessica is expected to eventually cheat on Conner with given the right set of choices either have an element of danger and taboo that must be overcome with effort (the Senator, the Mayor, Mr. Birch, Duncan?), or do not yet have that element of taboo or social advantage that could conceivably make them attractive to someone like Jessica (Tommy, Parker, David?). Parker had to look cool and useful for example, to get that hand job. That takes more story build up. Sex with the non-Conner male characters then are treated as either climax (cheap lol) or denouement, story wise. This means they come nearer the end than the beginning. By nature of this narrative design, it is unfair to call it "imbalanced" for as long as the game isn't finished. Give it room to get to its spots. Of course, all of this whining can be headed off by stoper working faster, lol!

Now, why are the girls "easy mode"? Removing the idiotic assumption that "lesbian sex doesn't count" (which stoper, I think, doesn't make), another way to justify it is that it's perceived as safer. If we're going to discover ourselves sexually, it is easier to think of doing that with someone who can't get us pregnant, and who we think will look after our needs better than your average two-pump chump. Plus, we're no strangers to finding fellow women attractive.

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. The downside to this is that there is less of that erotic charge that comes with overcoming a taboo. (Lesbians complain all the time about how lesbian movies are usually "coming out" stories, but watch anyway because overcoming a taboo is hot...) Stoper has handled it fairly well, I'd say, especially since it looks like both Heather and Jessica are breaking personal rules to keep going past where the "easy mode" should end, adding to that erotic charge. It's also why Jessica x Eve is the pairing I am most looking forward to. Although I do like me some "easy mode" Blake too. Maybe the taboo will come from her dad being opposed?

Also, I do not agree that the straight route is the "basic route", because taking the lesbian route feels just as natural. You can tell when the lesbian option is just tacked on. It doesn't feel that way here. I don't think stoper designed for a singular "basic route" or "canon route".

TL;DR The "imbalance" is natural to a female MC game like this because it's trying to replicate female MC romance novel structure and trying for a female MC mindset. Do not judge its "fetish balance" at 30% complete. Judge it at 100%.

 

[FookU2]

Raise your hand if you've ever eaten pancakes like this. lmao

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[afterlights]

I hope of lewd stuff with this french hottie! Maybe "seductive" is a hint for it

More lunch dates!

With Rosa, too, of course.

And Blake, when she's ready.

 

[afterlights]

What kind of man goes on the internet and pretends to be a woman?

I've made jokes about why I play this way, but thinking about your question I have to disagree with its premise. I'm not pretending, or even role-playing, as a woman. It's more voyeuristic, and being an observer able to control how choices unfold. Most games are played in the third-person.

It's also not different from reading first-person erotica. Or I, myself rather, never become the "I" in the story. It's being narrated to me.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

What kind of man goes on the internet and pretends to be a woman?

A catfish.

I let it go. You just had to flash your ignorance and come back for more.



Seriously? Did you even play the game? Read the story?

Heh, might as well make it fun for everybody.

Spoiler: The thought enters her mind...

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Spoiler: The thought burrows deeper...

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Spoiler: She starts making comparisons...

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Spoiler: Jessica finds out for herself

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Spoiler: Jessica starts comparing again...

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Spoiler: Doubts creep in...

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Spoiler: Open to the idea that girls can be her type, or at least one of them...

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Spoiler: Let's exclude Connor from this hot tryst and keep it just us...

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Spoiler: Indeed, what if Jessica had met Heather first...

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Spoiler: If "guilt" and "joy" clash, and "joy" is a weighty word, "joy" usually wins...

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Spoiler: The 'I'm not gay, am I' reasoning spiral

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Spoiler: The 'why am I feeling this way' phase

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Spoiler: Jessica doesn't care anymore

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Spoiler: Jessica doesn't even want Christian involved

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Spoiler: No Connor? Jessica doesn't mind.

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So there, a Jessica with latent Sapphic tendencies as produced by choices made in-game, as made by our lovely dev. I may have missed a few beats (like the first time Jessica entered Heather's apartment without needing to be invited), but I think the picture's fairly clear. Of course, a few choices made otherwise by another player, and it's a whole 'nother Jessica, and that's what choice systems do.

Now, if your contention is that the dev does not intend the possibility of a Jessica that is latently bi or lesbian, this proves otherwise. If your contention is that something like this never or "almost never" happens in real life to "straight normal girls", we've dealt with that bit of small-mindedness a few pages back.



LOL! Jessica initiated the first Blake kiss. Plus, when she finally finds comfort expressing herself, she initiates actual sex with Heather in the shower scene. It's a gradual process.



I'm not showing off. I'm just pointing out that your reading comprehension is what keeps you from understanding the points being made. If English is your first language and you're this obtuse, then that's pathetic. But if it isn't, and you're just lost in the the explanation, then I am sorry. If that's the case then maybe you need someone to explain how wrong you are in your own language, but that won't be me anymore.



I'm doing no such thing. There's that reading comprehension again. "stoper's Jess" is the malleable Jess full of possibilities that he's presenting in the game. This is the sort of game you play because you want to see her change out of these "starting characteristics". We are free to imagine what our individual versions of Jessica will become, or even what she was. If we turned her into a cock-gobbling slut, then maybe she was one in her past and it wasn't presented in the early scenes because that's not where the story started, for example. After all, bits of her past are revealed after certain choices.



All she was presented as is a girl with a boyfriend who has been away for too long and is now here. It takes a grand leap of counter-intuitive imagination to assume that stoper presented her as someone locked into being, a "straight normal girl". In that case, there's no point to a corruption game.

Or maybe you're just the kind of guy who would play a game like AWAM just to watch Sophia have sex with her husband.
In that case, we really have nothing to talk about.

Absolutely perfect analysis.

I hope of lewd stuff with this french hottie! Maybe "seductive" is a hint for it

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YES!! My most fervent hope is that Jess will get some naughty sapphic action with every female character in this game (that is not related to her since we're not getting that ); Heather, Blake, Rosa, Eve, Shani, even Missy the receptionist.

 

[BellaSouth]

What kind of man goes on the internet and pretends to be a woman?

Ask Avaron1974

 

[afterlights]

Yes!

And in the end, in their bed sharing a post-coital glow, Jess kisses Blake's forehead, looking deep into her eyes, and recalls "What an adventure!"

 

[Naxos]

What kind of man goes on the internet and pretends to be a woman?

It's funny how people who post assinine comments like think they know the only or right way to do something and assumes they know exactly what everyone else is thinking or doing. I take it you don't watch movies or series with a female lead either then?

I've made jokes about why I play this way, but thinking about your question I have to disagree with its premise. I'm not pretending, or even role-playing, as a woman. It's more voyeuristic, and being an observer able to control how choices unfold. Most games are played in the third-person.

It's also not different from reading first-person erotica. Or I, myself rather, never become the "I" in the story. It's being narrated to me.

I agree. I enjoy playing female protag game, not to pretend to be a woman in the slightest, for me it's more like being an outside force that manipulates and corrupts the person. I don't identify or imagine myself as that character at all. It's simply a switch that goes off. For me, it's much harder to do that with a male protag.

It's pure escapism at the finest, I can partake in activities through these games that I'd never want to or dream of in real life. There are obviously things that would by many that would not. It like watching a violent action movie or playing a mainstream game.. you can revel in the violence and blood and gore etc, where in real life that would sicken you with its sounds and smell and texture.

 

[HBKTheIcon69]

Great job to this version however before the beta switches to final perhaps get a good actual toe sucking portion done with Jess and Heater to each other just sayin' it was minorly done and mentioned in one scene yet all the other kinks are getting their shots for content...this one should get its fair shot

 

[moddy1]

I hope of lewd stuff with this french hottie! Maybe "seductive" is a hint for it

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By the way Thresome with Eva, Jessica and Birch would be very hot tho.

 

[fortuna95]

That would be nice, they're fighting for the same job spot, maybe a "fight" can lead to some aggressive lesbian sex.

stoper liked my post today, so maybe it's another hint!