Create and Fuck your AI Cum Slut –70% OFF
x
4.20 star(s) 204 Votes

Geko1711

Engaged Member
Nov 5, 2019
2,374
12,581
728
COBD is actually at around 4 months for an update.FB is not even in top 50 games speaking of quality.
In fact, I wrote it even after 4 months, I'm certainly not a year like JOHN. For FB I was talking about rendering that seem quite acceptable to me, so I don't look at the rankings that other factors can intervene. The game platform that is different in terms of content I think there are more than in JOHN or at least if JOHN moves forward at this rate before one of content runs out, it takes 4 years
 

Thundas

Member
Donor
Jul 16, 2017
302
785
301
TWO separate things. To be clear as to what I meant.

I was NOT defending Stoper for failing to meet deadlines. he can do that himself. I was NOT criticizing others for criticizing him for failing to meet deadlines. In point of fact, I did NOT even mention deadlines!! So you can call me an idiot if you wish but please read what I have actually written before doing so.....

I WAS criticizing the use of "miliking". I see it all the time in many threads. Usually not from a Patreon Supporter. The people who are usually claiming "milking" are getting their games here for free, and have no right to complain of milking.

So if you are going to call ME an idiot, I would rather you do it for what I have written, and not for what others may have written.....
Yes, many of us are getting the game for free here, but its totally a symbiotic relationship between f95zone users & developers, without f95zone members trying the game, devs would not even get even 99.9% of the traffic/exposure to their games which in turn generate supporters/patreon subscribers to their game. We have all had our fair share of developers who milk games over the years, progress getting slower each update, only to disappear in the end. Not saying stoper would do that but sticking to his release schedule would make me and countless others subscribe to him again as a start.
 

balvenie1401

Well-Known Member
Dec 29, 2017
1,569
2,503
485
From Patreon, to no one's surprise:

Any update coming tonight?
6h

Yep. Not going to bed until it's ready. But we'll need a few moroe hours.
5h

Damn it, I won't make it without some sleep. Everything is ready, but the final coding in RenPy and that's going too slow. I have too much variables and branches in this update. And I'll have to test that everything work well afterwards. You'll have to wait several more hours. Sorry, guys.
48min

Sleep tight pervs!
 

HHUUKK

Active Member
Feb 9, 2018
730
4,804
451
From Patreon, to no one's surprise:

Any update coming tonight?
6h

Yep. Not going to bed until it's ready. But we'll need a few moroe hours.
5h

Damn it, I won't make it without some sleep. Everything is ready, but the final coding in RenPy and that's going too slow. I have too much variables and branches in this update. And I'll have to test that everything work well afterwards. You'll have to wait several more hours. Sorry, guys.
48min

Sleep tight pervs!
Then.... tomorrow

 

Spctereus

Newbie
Jan 5, 2020
70
183
198
From Patreon, to no one's surprise:

Any update coming tonight?
6h

Yep. Not going to bed until it's ready. But we'll need a few moroe hours.
5h

Damn it, I won't make it without some sleep. Everything is ready, but the final coding in RenPy and that's going too slow. I have too much variables and branches in this update. And I'll have to test that everything work well afterwards. You'll have to wait several more hours. Sorry, guys.
48min

Sleep tight pervs!
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
 

balvenie1401

Well-Known Member
Dec 29, 2017
1,569
2,503
485
As someone who got burned this week from AWAM, all you can do is laugh. I don't mean to laugh at anyone in this thread, I wouldn't want to rub it in, but I mean you just have to laugh at the cosmic absurdity of it all.
It is what it is.. if laughing helps by all means laugh, if you're of the "kick n scream" persuasion do that, to each their own :)
This is the reason why I stopped supporting both Stoper and L&P long ago, I'm of the "vote with your dollar" persuasion ^^
 

GingerSweetGirl

Engaged Member
Aug 23, 2020
2,603
12,722
708
It is what it is.. if laughing helps by all means laugh, if you're of the "kick n scream" persuasion do that, to each their own :)
This is the reason why I stopped supporting both Stoper and L&P long ago, I'm of the "vote with your dollar" persuasion ^^
I was a click away from support Stoper, but the more I looked into it the more I knew that it was another L&P situation. I don't mean that it's a scam or anything negative like that, just that it wasn't going to be a game released regularly enough for me to justify spending the money.
 

balvenie1401

Well-Known Member
Dec 29, 2017
1,569
2,503
485
I was a click away from support Stoper, but the more I looked into it the more I knew that it was another L&P situation. I don't mean that it's a scam or anything negative like that, just that it wasn't going to be a game released regularly enough for me to justify spending the money.
Indeed, none of them are running a scam, I wouldn't even call it milking, not by a long shot.

Stoper for instance has other commitments that likely take priority, his work with LOPs "My name is David" that was released early November must have taken a good chunk of time to finish. I have no problem with that.

He's just doesn't reach the requirements I set for someone I choose to support financially, no harm no foul.

Sorry you got shafted by the AWAM update btw :/ I skimmed through it looked like another small step in the right direction, another 12-18 months or so I guess before we get to meatier content. So far it offers very little if you're not hellbent on softcore lesbian content..
 
Last edited:

DDDIsReal

B.I.T.W.
Donor
Dec 25, 2019
609
1,885
252
From Patreon, to no one's surprise:

Any update coming tonight?
6h

Yep. Not going to bed until it's ready. But we'll need a few moroe hours.
5h

Damn it, I won't make it without some sleep. Everything is ready, but the final coding in RenPy and that's going too slow. I have too much variables and branches in this update. And I'll have to test that everything work well afterwards. You'll have to wait several more hours. Sorry, guys.
48min

Sleep tight pervs!
I wish this guy ever respect his own words. You know that u can't release the update today? Then don't say ''nOt gOiNg tO bEd uNtiL iT's rEaDy!1!'' Grow up, you're not a kid anymore.
 

GingerSweetGirl

Engaged Member
Aug 23, 2020
2,603
12,722
708
Indeed, none of them are running a scam, I wouldn't even call it milking, not by a long shot.

Stoper for instance has other commitments that likely take priority, his work with LOPs "My name is David" that was released early November must have taken a good chunk of time to finish. I have no problem with that.

He's just doesn't reach the requirements I set for someone I choose to support financially, no harm no foul.

Sorry you got shafted by the AWAM update btw :/ I skimmed through it looked like another small step in the right direction, another 12-18 months or so I guess before we get to meatier content. So far it offers very little if you're not hellbent on softcore lesbian content..
Without taking the thread off topic and getting posts deleted by the mods, whether it's AWAM or JOHN, at some point you just have to tap out. People will bitch and argue endlessly about quality vs quantity, but really there needs to be a balance, and if that balance is lost then it's just as fair to abandon a project as it would be if you thought the quality or quantity wasn't there.
 
  • Like
Reactions: balvenie1401

umby

Active Member
May 27, 2017
713
1,334
327
I wish this guy ever respect his own words. You know that u can't release the update today? Then don't say ''nOt gOiNg tO bEd uNtiL iT's rEaDy!1!'' Grow up, you're not a kid anymore.
I didn't have the slightest doubt that it wouldn't be released yesterday either. practically every step has a "problem" that extends the time by two weeks (at least according to the facts), until we have to wait months. I want to give stoper some advice and I want it to be real advice to improve his work; next time dedicated to making a comic like paola, unfortunately it seems that the complexity of working in a ren'py game is no longer within your reach honestly. If I'm wrong then you absolutely need to improve your communication.
 

GingerSweetGirl

Engaged Member
Aug 23, 2020
2,603
12,722
708

I'm back. Time to finish this. Please don't ask for exact release time, because I'll give one and miss it again.



hahahah what a clown he is
I mean at this point it’s the right move. If he’s “close” just get it done. If it’s going to take more than 24 hours though...oh boy.

After this release he really should write a mea culpa to his Patrons. Fall on his sword and just be frank, “Hey guys, I fucked up and I’m sorry.” I know he’s doing his best, but this has been a pretty big blunder that makes him look disorganized. He needs to make some adjustments behind the scenes, but it can start with an honest mea culpa. His backers will appreciate it.
 

jas13

Newbie
Nov 22, 2017
38
162
208
Some people in this thread cannot differentiate between lying and bad communication , if someone keep giving promises like more than 5 times with long periods he's just a liar and a disrespectful being, he's not stupid he knows that he cannot complete it on promised time , he just trying to keep you for longer periods with less work .
 

shady31

Member
May 31, 2017
247
1,029
386
Some people in this thread cannot differentiate between lying and bad communication , if someone keep giving promises like more than 5 times with long periods he's just a liar and a disrespectful being, he's not stupid he knows that he cannot complete it on promised time , he just trying to keep you for longer periods with less work .
But he's already said that patrons from November (and now December presumably) would receive a message with the links.
 

Mariano95

Member
Jan 17, 2019
375
1,420
217
People on this forum are more honest than patrons on patron's pages. When shorts or bad updates come out a lot of people try to defend the devs saying "on their pages the supporters are happy with the result" but it's not so true.
I'm a patreon of a couple of developers since quite a long time now and I learnt that the difference between the comments on F95 and patron's pages is that here the users if are unsatisfied they write some negatives feedbacks/reviews, while patron's don't write anything in this cases. It's something psychological I think, because it might be too rude.
It's something infrequent to see a bad or annoyed comment on a patron's page and if you check more carefully you'll see that the dev must have done something really really bad to get that result, like not communicate for months, rude answers, or a row of bad updates.
I don't want to get off topic but to those who are defending L&P or similar devs by saying that their supporters are satisfied just because of a couple of comments, take a look at the number of comments and then to the number of patreons: 10 comments from 10 different users don't reflect the opinion of 1000 patreons. What the other 990 think? I'm saying this because I'm a patron too and it's something I do; If I'm happy I might write a comment, if I'm unhappy I prefer not to write.
 

jas13

Newbie
Nov 22, 2017
38
162
208
But he's already said that patrons from November (and now December presumably) would receive a message with the links.
So you just convinced by that statement ? It will be on f95 anyway , Not many have left his patreon since he gave the first promise .99% are long term supporters , if someone supporting you for one year and you provide them with 400 renders , this is really bad , wake up !
 
4.20 star(s) 204 Votes