VN Ren'Py Jessica O'Neil's Hard News [v0.65] [stoperArt]

[E_O_N]

It is sad, I was getting ready to be a patreon for a couple of devs because of their games but the trend is making me rethink and wait until more of the game comes out. Not all the devs of the games I like are doing this but you are right, and if people by the hundreds continue to give to this do nothing dev then he has ZERO reason to change his behavior AND other devs will think they can get away with it too.

Edit: didn't realize StoperArt was active on this forum. He can obviously speak for himself.

 

[stoper]

Or maybe it is. Hundreds of examples exist. From TV series to webcomics. There are hundreds of hard creative workers out there who do exactly that. From scripts to songwriting and fashion design.

And there are hundreds of examples where it isn't. And even that is irrelevant, what matters is that it's happening to me. If it bothers you that much, just move on. Plenty of other games from hard creative working people out there who pump up content from an assembly line.

Sure I can understand. But between 3 months and 7 months, there is a huge gap, more than double the time. I know you were open to say you were unproductive for a period of time but it's really disappointing you couldn't focus on your work like you said you would at the start of the update's development. And it means you don't have a good plan for the game and are creating on the fly

It's even more disappointing for me.

Taking this conversation in a more proactive direction; what is your plan to avoid something like this from happening again? What changes, from planning to communication, are you going to make to ensure that development goes smoother and, if it doesn't, you're more transparent in your communication with patrons?

I'll stop giving any release dates. I said I'll do it before, but people keep asking and I was trying to be optimistic. But it doesn't work. I'll make a scene counter or something. Like I've said before it doesn't really mean much, but it will show the progress I'm making during the development, even without an indicated end point. And as far as the creative aspect is concerned, there's nothing I can do to change that. When things don't click they don't click. I'll just make sure I'm more transparent about it, if it happens again.

 

[pcaf]

Or maybe a creative work is not like working on an assembly line, and sometimes it doesn't flow as smoothly as one wants. Just a guess.

Don't mean to be an asshole here but as someone working in the creative industry myself, I gotta say I disagree with this thinking.

Being less productive some days at work is normal. It happens in every line of work. But when you're paid to do something there has to be a better balance where you approach your work more professionally and try and get something done in a more timely manner albeit having to sacrifice a little bit of the quality sometimes. Not even the great masters of Renaissance can just tell the pope to f off because they "feel unproductive".

Perfection is an ever elusive concept and sometimes it is the greatest enemy to an artist.

 

[TheUberstuff]

And there are hundreds of examples where it isn't. And even that is irrelevant, what matters is that it's happening to me. If it bothers you that much, just move on. Plenty of other games from hard creative working people out there who pump up content from an assembly line.


It's even more disappointing for me.


I'll stop giving any release dates. I said I'll do it before, but people keep asking and I was trying to be optimistic. But it doesn't work. I'll make a scene counter or something. Like I've said before it doesn't really mean much, but it will show the progress I'm making during the development, even without an indicated end point. And as far as the creative aspect is concerned, there's nothing I can do to change that. When things don't click they don't click. I'll just make sure I'm more transparent about it, if it happens again.

I think its wise to stop giving any release dates and I agree with you that if people don't like the wait that they should move on. I never had a problem with the wait per say it was more the hope that when a release date was annouced that it would happen if not right at that date then at least near it.

There are plenty of other games on this site where the dev takes a really long time, longer then yourself in some cases and people just kind of forget about the game until there is a new release and I think that is the best case for games in general.

I have been very critical and I won't apologize however I still think your game is one of the best and I wish you luck in your future endeavors.

 

[TheUberstuff]

Dude, I couldn't care less how much content you pump out every month or year and so do your supporters. You know this too well and that's why your talk of being unproductive for whatever excuse you come up doesn't earn you any sympathy from me. People with more integrity than you would and have stopped their billing process in the past.
I simply can't stand dishonest people and I know for sure that you are one of them as you have proven many times.

I am not a kiss ass for this dev as I have been very critical myself but I think the time has come for people who keep raging at this dev to stop. We have all said what we had to say and keeping this stuff going doesn't solve anything. Either move on and find other things to do or wait until there is another update. I for one after this post will be silent until there is another update.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

I'll make a scene counter or something. Like I've said before it doesn't really mean much, but it will show the progress I'm making during the development, even without an indicated end point.

I am a strong supporter of this thing, and I have said it several times.
it certainly won't be reliable, but at least it will give users a general idea of progress. I always stop asking: when does it come out.

 

[Lust&Pateron]

I know we are not happy with stopper, but let's act and talk to him with respect, and not run him off the forum.

 

[stoper]

Dude, I couldn't care less how much content you pump out every month or year and so do your supporters. You know this too well and that's why your talk of being unproductive for whatever excuse you come up doesn't earn you any sympathy from me. People with more integrity than you would and have stopped their billing process in the past.
I simply can't stand dishonest people and I know for sure that you are one of them as you have proven many times.

I've never asked for your sympathy, not even close. The support on patreon is voluntary, with very little actual benefits. And everyone can decide if they want to pause, cancel or even ask for a refund of their pledge.

 

[Ass Fan]

It was discussed some 2 years ago. Can't remember anyone spotting the purse though. Thing is, now we know who's purse that is. So kudos for that

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The person who discovered this is very smart, he observed this part of the game very well but for me it's not Jessica Only if she has a twin sister and I don't know why in that part She just came in to talk to Mr. Birch the girl who is under the table is Rosa
If you take a good look, she has the same bag it's the same thing with the high heels in the part where she is Jessica goes to lunch at the cafeteria you see the bag with her it's in the office too After I saw this scene I played it again to see it properly this scene and I believe it's really Rosa.... look at her bag next to Jessica But this could be a spoiler of what you can see in future updates with Ó Mr.Birch and Jessica

 

[Bullx]

The person who discovered this is very smart, he observed this part of the game very well but for me it's not Jessica Only if she has a twin sister and I don't know why in that part She just came in to talk to Mr. Birch the girl who is under the table is Rosa
If you take a good look, she has the same bag it's the same thing with the high heels in the part where she is Jessica goes to lunch at the cafeteria you see the bag with her it's in the office too After I saw this scene I played it again to see it properly this scene and I believe it's really Rosa.... look at her bag next to Jessica But this could be a spoiler of what you can see in future updates with Ó Mr.Birch and Jessica

it's not rosa. rosa wears black pants and black shoes that day. It's the CFO Barbara

 

[FMag]

I wonder why devs are not active in this forum

 

[cxx]

I wonder why devs are not active in this forum

they get too much shit on their neck and also they don't like pirates aka us.

 

[E_O_N]

they get too much shit on their neck and also they don't like pirates aka us.

My first release wasn t too long ago. I was not prepared for this.

 

[cxx]

My first release wasn t too long ago. I was not prepared for this.

what?

 

[Bullx]

they get too much shit on their neck and also they don't like pirates aka us.

and this is so wrong. steam and being a dick showed me that such games exist. after googling this page i became a patreon. this page encourages patreons

 

[cxx]

and this is so wrong. steam and being a dick showed me that such games exist. after googling this page i became a patreon. this page encourages patreons

sure they get supporters via f95 and other pirate sites too but still pirated version is pirated version.

 

[E_O_N]

and this is so wrong. steam and being a dick showed me that such games exist. after googling this page i became a patreon. this page encourages patreons

You are one of the few that do, thanks for that. But it s probably around 0.01% here, if not less.

This is from Eva Kiss another dev who hit a "creative wall"...

" I've been thinking about it for a while and I've decided that starting February I will put all charges on my page on hold. I feel I'm not giving you enough value for your money at this moment and it doesn't sit right with me."

Myeah talking about being fair to your patreons...


Dude GTFO with this bs...

Kidos to her. But there is a difference between working and not being able to make progress and not working.
But yes, I also think it s a class act. Take a look at ICSTOR to compare.

But isn t what she is doing not something praise worthy and extra, instead of expected?

 

[stoper]

You said you come here for feedback, constructive criticism and whatnot, but what is the point if you're not willing to adjust on anything you do?

Oh yeah, there is so much constructive criticism and ideas here. I'm simply overwhelmed by it.
But I'm sure you'll be kind enough to summarize these great ideas that I'm so carelessly ignoring.

Dude GTFO with this bs...

BS? What part of that is BS?

 

[Bullx]

You are one of the few that do, thanks for that. But it s probably around 0.01% here, if not less.


I can't be the only one. Why are all games available here? because someone is paying.

 

[E_O_N]

icstor and few others are on own class, earn lots of money w/o doing anything.

Maybe he is just laundering money for the mafia? I mean either that, or he got the most special supporters.

Yeah you right normally this should be expected but we all can see how "expected" is from almost all of the devs around here which pretty much don't release shit for months but they still cash in that good patreon money...

You misunderstood me. Of course there is a limit to things, with icstor as example we have arrived at shameless. But StoperArt does some of the most amazing renders I have seen - that takes time. If he is working and not making progress then that happens in my view.
I would not yet expect him to halt payment, but do exactly what he did. Be transparent, encourage individual choices and offer patrons for january all the promised content, even if it s later.

If he is cashing another year without that update, that would be another story. So we don t really disagree, I just think for now he approached the issue well.