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MestoTesto

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The update a liar will make in 9 months is only that much. Facts are painful. Now we can say the new comparison is saddoggames vs Stoper. But even the saddoggames game had more content.

This developer is acting like if Jessica has sex with another man, the whole story and excitement of the game will end there and they can't create more exciting new content.

That's why he bases his entire strategy in the game on teasing. The fact that he does not fulfill his promises is similar to the teasing content in the game. I think he's teasing people in real life as he is in the game.

I'm starting to think that most of the people advocating this developer are his real-life friends or relatives.
 

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wow, after reading all those comments i am not even gonna bother downloading it and i am also temporarily adding the game to ignore list, ill check it out again in 3 or 4 years and hopefully by that time Dev might add at least 2 or 3 hours worth of contents to game, Honestly i wouldn't even be surprised if its only 30 or 40 minutes....
 

chimidot

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it's just me or i didn't see that 'preview picture' of the wine / champagne glass that had a reflexion on it? i remember how many times it was analyzed and how many theories were written here.. i skiped it or the dev didn't include it in the release?
 

Dark_Templar

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All the milkers do. If they treated it like a normal job they could have a solid update every 30-45 days. That's just M-F, 8 hours a day. I've written code (python & more) and made 3D models, it's not as time consuming as they make it out. It's not easy or fast but it's NOT 4-8 months difficult.
He is not even making his own models, these are all pre bought or free models then modified after the fact. As for the coding this is just a basic VN, again very simple python code that anyone could learn in a week or so, the most time consuming thing are the renders but we all know this update didn't take 9 months of work not even close, most devs can put out 4-5 times the amount of work in 9 months, hell I have seen 1 man devs do more work in a 2 month update on a fully 3D game.

This dude is a fucking joke, anyone paying him should stop immediately, all the warning signs are there.
 

KaraokeLoki

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I've seen many games get milked or stalled for money, however, it is pretty hypocritical of people to complain about it if they don't make a game themselves. If you genuinely wanted to oppose the idea of milking games, make your own game then rub it in their face when its finished in under a year or something.

(EDIT:) Got plenty of replies from others later in this thread. I'd like to say they're 100% correct and I actually second their opinion. To clarify my stance, I just wanted to say that I don't support this type of supporter milking and blind sheep being herded into a long drought of delayed content. The point I wanted to make is that if you really wanna question someone's morals for shamelessly delaying game development for money, it's best to understand their position as well. They don't HAVE to make this game for you, nor do they have to accept your criticism because, in the end, they're the ones making the game. I do think it's the fault of those who pay $50+ a month for development and then complain when they don't see ample development within the month and do NOT cancel their subscriptions. I definitely didn't use hypocrisy as an example correctly. So instead I'll replace it with this:

If you subbed to the creator, waited 9 months for this update, and canceled within the first 3 months of not seeing an update with substantial content, then good for you. In fact, I applaud you and praise you for it.

However, if you subbed for the 9 months, didn't cancel, and then complained about the lack of content in this update, sucks for you. Maybe now it'll take you the first 8 months to realize that you should've canceled and moved on to a more engaging creator that actually puts out updates regularly.
But hey, if you've got the money to spend, go for it. Sheep are sheep.
 
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Cybersexist

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I've seen many games get milked or stalled for money, however, it is pretty hypocritical of people to complain about it if they don't make a game themselves. If you genuinely wanted to oppose the idea of milking games, make your own game then rub it in their face when its finished in under a year or something.
Yes , but also in the same Quality!

Im always amazed how many wannabe Devs are here which produce nothing than hot Air! Also now we have a lot of Business Experts here also...:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

AlfredBundy4

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I've seen many games get milked or stalled for money, however, it is pretty hypocritical of people to complain about it if they don't make a game themselves. If you genuinely wanted to oppose the idea of milking games, make your own game then rub it in their face when its finished in under a year or something.
That's not what hypocrisy means lol. Hypocrisy would be a milker dev complaining about another dev that milks.

What you're saying here makes no moral or general sense. You basically said
"You all complain about murderers murdering but how about you murder someone before complaining about it"

Milking for money is wrong. Well, it's wrong in the sense that a person shouldn't do it on purpose but sometimes an effort does become a bit too much for a new dev. However, a decent person shares this openly and/or tries to make it better. At worst they abandon it.

A milker CAN do better but doesn't because why should they? People are paying regardless and worst of all for them is the fear that they'll never have another successful story to tell. The milking may come from that fear but either way it's out of financial greed.

That said, my view (stated many times) is that those at fault most are the subscribers that continue to pay regardless of a dev's work ethic. A person will rarely throw easy or free money away so how much can a Stoper or L&P be blamed? No, I blame those that complain about it while also still paying them the most.

As for the work, again, if they treated it like a real job they could have more than a single mediocre release ever 4-9 months. A simple M-F, 40 hour week could get these same updates out every 30-45 days. 100%. How do I know? I've done it all and not with the PCs these guys build. L&P alone has openly talked about his multiple rigs that cost thousands of dollars (USD) and he still claims render time like before.
"Well, the posing is the longest part, not the rendering".
True. Again, still not 4-9 months long. This latest JOHN update could be (obviously was) made in a few weeks tops. It's nothing & it took him 9 months lol.

But anyway, by main goal here isn't to dive in to specifics but point out the incorrectness of your main point. Again, what you describe is not hypocrisy. You're merely staying that people shouldn't say shit unless they have also done it and done it better. To which I say that's not even the point here and it's a cheap cop-out even if it was.
A person will either milk when presented the opportunity or they will not. It's a moral principle thing. Also, a person will either stop paying for goods they don't receive or are unhappy with or they won't. To me that's an issue of self-respect and some don't have it. That's why I blame the people paying more than the milkers.
 

FMag

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wow, after reading all those comments i am not even gonna bother downloading it and i am also temporarily adding the game to ignore list, ill check it out again in 3 or 4 years and hopefully by that time Dev might add at least 2 or 3 hours worth of contents to game, Honestly i wouldn't even be surprised if its only 30 or 40 minutes....
If you are going to play the update for the first time it will be worthed. The complaints are referred to people (like me) who have followed this game for years and see 1 or 2 updates per year with almost no "interesting scenes".
I'm not saying I don't play slow-burn games, because I like a constant progression of the events with no rush, but at a certain point, in this case, I found the opposite: there are scenes where Jessica had the chance to get naughty and decided to forcefully come back to her bf, giving us no fun.
In conclusion, if this is your first time with the game then play, but be careful, because once you'll be done the wait will be very long.
 
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