VN Ren'Py Jessica O'Neil's Hard News [v0.65] [stoperArt]

[Deleted member 4995612]

None. Any more questions? Or does it make what I said less valid?

I guess I'd give it more credibility to the whine if he had committed some other harm to you than simply disappointing your personal expectations of when something should get done.

That was quite a rant for someone who really has no investment in the project other than a personal resentment.

 

[dolfe67]

Edit: By the way, as per stoper's own statement he hasn't worked in December, but he didn't think for just a second to tell his supporters about it, giving them the chance to safe some money on a developer who isn't working. If that doesn't tell you what kind of guy stoper is, I don't know what does.

Yeah that's the thing, his discord is linked to patreon but if patrons don't follow his discord they're less informed.

 

[Tennoujirex]

I guess I'd give it more credibility to the whine if he had committed some other harm to you than simply disappointing your personal expectations of when something should get done.

That was quite a rant for someone who really has no investment in the project other than a personal resentment.

It's you who needs to stop defending all of stopers mistakes like he is your prophet. What palmtrees said was speculation based on facts that we have. If you think that's a rant then you need to read up on the definition of a rant and constructive criticism instead of fanboying about a dev who keeps on lying and getting away with it every chance that he gets.

 

[cxx]

FYI he changed Jessica's nipples, that's why he did a re-render.

will those be able to cut diamonds now?

 

[palmtrees89]

I guess I'd give it more credibility to the whine if he had committed some other harm to you than simply disappointing your personal expectations of when something should get done.

That was quite a rant for someone who really has no investment in the project other than a personal resentment.

Not sure why you think that any of this is about me. As Tennoujirex said, I'm simply presenting facts and speculation. What you make of it is on you. I come here every 3-4 weeks to see what's up and to talk about the bits of information we have based on Patreon / Discord posts. Nothing more.

Too much for you? Well, the ignore button isn't far. But you might aswell continue to "whine" about my "whine" if that's more to your liking. I won't lose any sleep over it.

 

[Deleted member 4995612]

It's you who needs to stop defending all of stopers mistakes like he is your prophet. What palmtrees said was speculation based on facts that we have. If you think that's a rant then you need to read up on the definition of a rant and constructive criticism instead of fanboying about a dev who keeps on lying and getting away with it every chance that he gets.

Over react much? I asked the man if he had any investment in the game then said he seemed to be whining a lot for something he had no investment in. Show me where I defended anyone, anytime, anyplace. Go ahead. I'm waiting.

I spoke to the person whining about his whine. Also "Fanboying?" where do you see any of that? Your post is exactly what I'm talking about though. A bunch of hyperbole and overstatment about something you have no real part in. Ride that bandwagon as far as you can though. It's clear you feel justified in doing so.

 

[Deleted member 4995612]

Not sure why you think that any of this is about me. As Tennoujirex said, I'm simply presenting facts and speculation. What you make of it is on you. I come here every 3-4 weeks to see what's up and to talk about the bits of information we have based on Patreon / Discord posts. Nothing more.

Too much for you? Well, the ignore button isn't far. But you might aswell continue to "whine" about my "whine" if that's more to your liking. I won't lose any sleep over it.

I'm doing the exact same thing. Facts and speculation. Fact: you're whining. Speculation: Me thinks you got nothing to whine about.

Like I said to your compadre though, Seems like you've been on this bandwagon for some time now. I certainly don't expect you to jump off because I pointed all that out to you. Enjoy the resentment ride.

Peace.

 

[palmtrees89]

I'm doing the exact same thing. Facts and speculation. Fact: you're whining. Speculation: Me thinks you got nothing to whine about.

Like I said to your compadre though, Seems like you've been on this bandwagon for some time now. I certainly don't expect you to jump off because I pointed all that out to you. Enjoy the resentment ride.

Peace.

Criticizing the development speed among other things isn't exactly whining, especially not if that criticism is backed up by facts. You can be blind to it, you can "whine" about people criticizing it, but saying there's nothing wrong is straight up lying to yourself, buddy. Either that, or you've simply got no clue what you're talking about.

I'm not exactly enjoying this "bandwagon" as this project would be much more enjoyable if we had the stoper from 2+ years ago, but we don't. And so I'm calling it as I see it. You can be sure as hell that I'll be among the first to jump out of my chair if things were to change, but it's only gotten worse for years unfortunately. Those are facts, not a resentment ride as you call it.

Quite apparent that you want the last word on this pointless discussion to feel like you're in the right, so, be my guest.

 

[Deleted member 4995612]

Criticizing the development speed among other things isn't exactly whining, especially not if that criticism is backed up by facts. You can be blind to it, you can "whine" about people criticizing it, but saying there's nothing wrong is straight up lying to yourself, buddy. Either that, or you've simply got no clue what you're talking about.

I'm not exactly enjoying this "bandwagon" as this project would be much more enjoyable if we had the stoper from 2+ years ago, but we don't. And so I'm calling it as I see it. You can be sure as hell that I'll be among the first to jump out of my chair if things were to change, but it's only gotten worse for years unfortunately. Those are facts, not a resentment ride as you call it.

Quite apparent that you want the last word on this pointless discussion to feel like you're in the right, so, be my guest.

Just a question. If it's not a resentment, why do you keep harping on it even though you could easily just ignore the game and leave be. You seem to be big on letting "pointless discussions" go by the wayside and it's clear none of your "Facts and speculation" make a gnat's difference in the development speed of this game. Why not just let it pass by like you seem to espouse as the best route for me to take... buddy

It's a fucking game that you want to drag someone through the mud over because he's not doing things when and how you want him to. I'd def call that a resentment.

Said my piece. Peace

 

[palmtrees89]

Just a question. If it's not a resentment, why do you keep harping on it even though you could easily just ignore the game and leave be. You seem to be big on letting "pointless discussions" go by the wayside and it's clear none of your "Facts and speculation" make a gnat's difference in the development speed of this game. Why not just let it pass by like you seem to espouse as the best route for me to take... buddy

It's a fucking game that you want to drag someone through the mud over because he's not doing things when and how you want him to. I'd def call that a resentment.

Said my piece. Peace

Call it resentment all you want. I call it as I see it. I'm in a forum discussing a game and its development. Your posts have absolutely no value as they've got nothing to do with the game, and neither do mine since I started replying to you. That's why I call this discussion pointless. Never said you're supposed to let it pass, you're entitled to your own opinion.

I'm not quite sure why, but you seem butthurt over me criticizing the development. I'll continue to do so because I'm following this project for years, and there was a time when I had nothing but respect for stoper. Things changed, and so did the general tone of my posts.

I'm not trying to drag anyone through mud. Again, I call it as I see it. My posts consist of facts and, granted, speculations which I can't prove. Example being me saying that he's prolly barely worked more than a day back in November. Still, there's a reason as to why I say these things, which are backed up by facts as can be seen in my earlier posts.

Nothing I said implies that stoper should do it the way I want it. Would it be nice if he was the same guy he was 2+ years ago? Sure. Does me pointing out what's wrong with the development and how it's in a constant downward spiral mean that I make any demands? No. Doesn't matter if a development cycle takes 2 months, or 2 years. I'll comment on it either way. Difference being that my comments were much more on the positive side. You act like I should only come here when stoper deserves his ass kissed.

My posts don't have to make a difference in order for me to submit them, do they? The same way your posts won't make a difference as I'll continue to speak my mind. We are running in circles here. What you're arguing about is completely off-topic. That'd likely be the only reason to let it go. Well, and maybe the fact that you think nothing's wrong with the development as that's clearly wrong. Facts don't lie. But ay, you do you.

 

[Tennoujirex]

Over react much?

That's what you've been doing since you started this nonsense.

 

[SamualHand]

Are we in the miliking discussion again? Can I throw some stones into the crowed to see if I can escalate it?

If you get the next update before Christmas you can be a happy fapper and Conner will take Jess another time, if it's after Christmas, it's also within the expectations.

 

[Kazanovaromeo]

Are we in the miliking discussion again? Can I throw some stones into the crowed to see if I can escalate it?

If you get the next update before Christmas you can be a happy fapper and Conner will take Jess another time, if it's after Christmas, it's also within the expectations.

Can you please tell which Christmas you mean , this year

 

[Gunizz]

So he's re-rendered roughly ~100 static images plus another ~150 for the animations between the 8th-30th of November using a 4090. This graphics card is capable of rendering this amount of high-quality images in less than a day, basically.

For example; A 3090ti takes about 10 minutes to render a high-quality image with lots of assets. The 4090 has about 60-70% more power, reducing render times considerably.

And stoper is talking about a scene with 4 characters and a room with furniture and some other props. That's not all that much.

What this tells me is that he's barely "worked" more than a day in November, if you can even call it work clicking the render button and let the program do it's thing. This isn't scene creation. It's literally just re-rendering existing scenes. Oh, and also, he has 2 computers now, meaning he could have worked on the missing branch/scene or the next real update while his 4090 is re-rendering old stuff. But he didn't.

I suppose he changed the posing or some other aspects, probably added something, as there was no point to render again the images, the quality was already good.
I suppose he had made changes to the scenes so he had to remake the renderings.

 

[palmtrees89]

I suppose he changed the posing or some other aspects, probably added something, as there was no point to render again the images, the quality was already good.
I suppose he had made changes to the scenes so he had to remake the renderings.

Here's why; re-doing Jessica's nipples. I had to partially re-render a bunch of images, and fully re-render the animations, because the slight difference in the shape was causing issues with the movement of the clothes during animations.

That's a quote from his dev-blog on December 10th. It really is pointless. We all know there's nothing wrong with Jess' nipples. lol

He's apparently took 3 weeks just to partially re-render the statics, and a full re-render for the 3 final animations. I don't have the exact number at hand, but it's roughly 100 partial re-renders + another 150 full re-renders for animations (half of the final scene + 3 animations, he said). So basically copy-pasting (changing "nipple-values") for the partial re-renders, then pressing the render button. A partial re-render means going over certain elements of the image, so it prolly takes a minute with his new graphics card. He's able to create entire scenes within that time on his old gpu, and now it took him 3 weeks for a tiny little adjustment using the fastest GPU on the market.

That's 3 weeks wasted for nothing, and another month where he's not been working without telling the people spending their money on him.

2 months since the release of 0.55, and the missing branch might be released at the end of January. Who knows, though. Might aswell be February or even March, knowing stoper. And there's been zero work on the next update. It's quite ridiculous, imo. In his X-mas/New Year post he's hoping for a better year in 2023, and he starts it with wasting 1 month on a nipple, and another month not working at all. lol

 

[Deleted member 4995612]

Here's why; re-doing Jessica's nipples. I had to partially re-render a bunch of images, and fully re-render the animations, because the slight difference in the shape was causing issues with the movement of the clothes during animations.

That's a quote from his dev-blog on December 10th. It really is pointless. We all know there's nothing wrong with Jess' nipples. lol

He's apparently took 3 weeks just to partially re-render the statics, and a full re-render for the 3 final animations. I don't have the exact number at hand, but it's roughly 100 partial re-renders + another 150 full re-renders for animations (half of the final scene + 3 animations, he said). So basically copy-pasting (changing "nipple-values") for the partial re-renders, then pressing the render button. A partial re-render means going over certain elements of the image, so it prolly takes a minute with his new graphics card. He's able to create entire scenes within that time on his old gpu, and now it took him 3 weeks for a tiny little adjustment using the fastest GPU on the market.

That's 3 weeks wasted for nothing, and another month where he's not been working without telling the people spending their money on him.

2 months since the release of 0.55, and the missing branch might be released at the end of January. Who knows, though. Might aswell be February or even March, knowing stoper. And there's been zero work on the next update. It's quite ridiculous, imo. In his X-mas/New Year post he's hoping for a better year in 2023, and he starts it with wasting 1 month on a nipple, and another month not working at all. lol

Why don't you just ignore the game and walk away? For a "pointless" effort this seems to be consuming so much of your time and energy. Don't you have something more constructive to do? Maybe find a game you like and encourage the developer. I mean, you're arguing about nipples here. Nipples.

 

[palmtrees89]

Why don't you just ignore the game and walk away? For a "pointless" effort this seems to be consuming so much of your time and energy. Don't you have something more constructive to do? Maybe find a game you like and encourage the developer. I mean, you're arguing about nipples here. Nipples.

Why don't you just ignore my posts and walk away? You clearly have nothing to say about the game or its development. Don't you have something more constructive to do? Maybe find a game where you can post something of value. Something that's not entirely off-topic.

Cheers

 

[Bolero]

Why don't you just ignore the game and walk away? For a "pointless" effort this seems to be consuming so much of your time and energy. Don't you have something more constructive to do? Maybe find a game you like and encourage the developer. I mean, you're arguing about nipples here. Nipples.

What makes you think he does not like the game? Just because he gave some critique? I consider this game among 5 games i like the most on this forum, and i made quite a bit of critique about stoper too. Critique does not mean someone does not like the game, quite the opposite actually.
I never made a comment on a thread of a game i played and did not like, simply play, delete and forget about it.

And i find it incredibly annoying when white knights start telling other people to walk away from the game or a game thread just because of some critique. Because that person may very well be a bigger fan of the game than you and is only posting some critics because he CARES about the game. If he did not do you think he would waste time making such a long post explaining what he thinks?

 

[grumpyoldcat]

Why don't you just ignore the game and walk away? For a "pointless" effort this seems to be consuming so much of your time and energy. Don't you have something more constructive to do? Maybe find a game you like and encourage the developer. I mean, you're arguing about nipples here. Nipples.

Well said! And of course, you're accused of being a fucking white knight.

Of course.

 

[palmtrees89]

Well said! And of course, you're accused of being a fucking white knight.

Of course.

I mean, he is. He doesn't like me criticizing the game. He wants to see posts kissing the developers backside, encouraging a constant downward spiral while he himself doesn't provide any value to this thread as he's got literally nothing to say about the game and its development at all. Anything remotely close to being critcism is, following his logic, a waste of time. If that's not a white knight, I don't know what is.