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One of the things I like about art that doesn't have details is what can be left to the imagination. You interpreted her one way, while I viewed it another. It reflects on how I did the prompts. For the first set I always saw her as mocking, like how did this food wander my house. The second when you strip her she starts to realize maybe there's more to this one and I should be careful. Even says it in the status during that phase of the fight. That's why I like JSK's art the way it was/is.

Edit-also just remembered I had to switch checkpoints after the first set because it wasn't what I wanted to convey. That's why the art style is so different lol

Also thank you for polietly expressing your opinion and thoughts! As said above the current popular way to have discussions is either yelling, insulting, or stereotyping. Which doesn't really accoplish anything.

Finally I'm gonna ghost for a bit because I feel like I've released the bees. So thank you ADuckFromNarnia for reminding me what this thread is for lol.
 
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Come to forum about pirated... er... Liberated porn games, look inside and find well over a dozen pages of AI art debate, discussion, hate, love, etc. Look at forum topic and title. Ensuing confusion begins.

Seriously, stop flooding this forum with this topic and get back on topic with JSK studio games ffs. (Yes the irony of complaining about it is not lost on me. I'm just tired of seeing thread updates and its just more ai stuff and it has been going on for months now.....)
 

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Honestly, I find I prefer janky homebrew art, so long as it catches certain details. Given their consumption of high quality images, the diffusion models are good at generating what looks nice to the eye, but this itself becomes uncanny, like those smoothed out "average faces" for different nations. Attractive on one level (certainly they become more symmetrical) but at the cost of certain details.

The struggle for using a diffusion model is always that detail is complex and fractal -- the most salient example is that people notice details in faces that they won't in arms, and perhaps even details in lips, nostrils, eyes, that they don't in foreheads and hair. Diffusion models do a good job now at capturing the gestalt of a character, but it feels more like several different nice renditions of the same character, and these details are demanding beyond a reasonable capacity for production of images. Yet beyond producing broad areas of color in somewhat consistent ways (time consuming for an artist) even a relatively novice artist can notice and fix details that the models mess up.

But there is also an arms race -- art acts as an often somewhat abstracted method of communication, and people oppose AI because on some basic level, they're trying to fight back against being tricked into thinking they are being communicated to by a person when in fact the person responsible is avoiding doing so, they know they are being conned on some level. This level isn't initially visible, but once you see enough of these AI images, you begin to get that uncanny feeling, and begin to prefer "real" art in an irrational way, like wanting scuffed jeans because the rich kids realized jeans are cool and are buying ultra-expensive designer ones.

As an aside I love AI glitch images, ones that are really bad. That is art! It really shows the spirit of the silly, mute machine. But I've come to prefer lower "quality" images in terms of things like shading, background details, or details in things like clothing (i.e. irrelevant details that can be generated easily, often by accident, by diffusion models) -- these in part show what the artist knows is important. This also communicates effective art, animating puts hard limits on how much detail you can really put into things, so you save your hard work for what's important to you.

JSK's janky art is great, maybe it doesn't have every contour humanly possible, but it always does its job well of communicating what matters. I suppose you could train a diffusion model on only his stuff, but this as the name suggests would simply be producing an emanation of the average expected JSK depiction based on what's been already made.

This AI adventure isn't anything but a fad -- some uses for LLMs and diffusion models are valuable and will persist, but the rest of it will end in tears (or violent revolution, unfortunately, but also then, tears...) and massive lost fortunes. By some reckonings, massive fortunes have already been lost, it is just that the sunk costs have yet to be accounted for.
 
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Come to forum about pirated... er... Liberated porn games, look inside and find well over a dozen pages of AI art debate, discussion, hate, love, etc. Look at forum topic and title. Ensuing confusion begins.

Seriously, stop flooding this forum with this topic and get back on topic with JSK studio games ffs. (Yes the irony of complaining about it is not lost on me. I'm just tired of seeing thread updates and its just more ai stuff and it has been going on for months now.....)
Right, I suppose so. Anyways -

I guess the 2 ways to manually patch are to extract source files to find code and then somehow marry it together with the newer version - provided the compiled code will still be readable.

Otherwise, it'll be easier for brwberwkerw to update it by applying all his stuff to it. I think it's best to wait for him for now
 
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nezumitori

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and usually those arguments quickly grow heated. i mean look, we got a long reasoning for one side why they aren't sympathetic towards AI, and it didn't take long for a snide comment to appear that puts all AI users into the bracket of "they need GPT to summerize it all"
Eh you know what you're right, I shouldn't be that pedantic about stuff like these. I just worry that there are stubborns who don't care to read, but I shouldn't show that like that, yeah.
 

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But there is nothing to talk about JSK in this forum. Only 500+ pages full of "link pls" "android pls" "i can't open the game" "i can't find my pc" etc... Same questions, same answers. Some ppl took their time to make comprehensive guide for dummies but some ppl ( or bots ) still don't know how to use internet.
 

BorgarKing

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I really REALLY hope NOW the AI people actually read this and not even think of trying to summarize all this with chatgpt gemini or whatever. This is a really good, calm, and well-explained argument of why stuff like these keep getting shunned or categorized seperately in this market.
AI Summary:
User politely argues that AI isn’t truly creative—it just stitches together bits of existing work rather than adding original thought or style. Unlike a human artist who develops skill and intention, AI copies patterns without understanding. The post claims that AI art feels “soulless” because it lacks individuality or purpose, and while it can mimic style, it can’t innovate. The writer compares today’s AI hype to rebranding old tech, argues that overreliance on AI lowers artistic quality (like repetitive franchises and generic anime art), and says real creativity comes from humans refining their craft—not from algorithms remixing data.
 
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Eh you know what you're right, I shouldn't be that pedantic about stuff like these. I just worry that there are stubborns who don't care to read, but I shouldn't show that like that, yeah.
honestly? happy to hear that. best step to take so we can both have a calm discussion over topics like this. i know its easy to get worked up when you often meet the bad apples of each arguments side.
 
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AI Summary:
User politely argues that AI isn’t truly creative—it just stitches together bits of existing work rather than adding original thought or style. Unlike a human artist who develops skill and intention, AI copies patterns without understanding. The post claims that AI art feels “soulless” because it lacks individuality or purpose, and while it can mimic style, it can’t innovate. The writer compares today’s AI hype to rebranding old tech, argues that overreliance on AI lowers artistic quality (like repetitive franchises and generic anime art), and says real creativity comes from humans refining their craft—not from algorithms remixing data.
It's pretty good at that! But you know, even though you'll never have to write a summary again, you'll still have to read the summary it wrote to make sure its correct. If you don't, hilarity (or firing-level offenses) ensue. I will fire you for not reading the AI-generated summary, revealed by it stating things with perfect confidence that are absolutely false. GOOD LUCK
 

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I'm relatively late to the party here i think but what is the translation/availability like for the more recent games?
 

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In #20 Cornered by a ckeeky devil I can't seem to trigger ending 2 even with a guide, anyone has any idea, fix, or tips?
 
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I'm relatively late to the party here i think but what is the translation/availability like for the more recent games?
Mm all at least Reipatcher. I think iceveil's just about done the most recent game. Vast majority of them have vetted translation/manual translation for like 80%+
 

nezumitori

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Is there another solution other than ReiPatcher? I just don’t like that their translation is irreversible and unchangeable, no matter how many times I modify or delete the translations they keep returning back.
 

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Is there another solution other than ReiPatcher? I just don’t like that their translation is irreversible and unchangeable, no matter how many times I modify or delete the translations they keep returning back.
Reipatcher gave me that same problem of being almost unable to remove from a game, so I just avoid it entirely.
Instead, I use BepinEx + XUnity.autotranslator, and its easy to remove it from the game if you dont want it anymore (as its just a folder inside the game directory).

I posted a little guide for using it like 100 pages ago (links included), if you search this thread with my username you should find it.

Edit: nvm, will leave the link here as this question may come again in the future.
 

nezumitori

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Reipatcher gave me that same problem of being almost unable to remove from a game, so I just avoid it entirely.
Instead, I use BepinEx + XUnity.autotranslator, and its easy to remove it from the game if you dont want it anymore (as its just a folder inside the game directory).

I posted a little guide for using it like 100 pages ago (links included), if you search this thread with my username you should find it.

Edit: nvm, will leave the link here as this question may come again in the future.
Thank you will bookmark it to never lose it again.
 

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I saw there was a call for a remake of Karen. I agree but there is another I feel is much more in need of a remake. It's the first JSK game I ever played and it's still one of my favorites. In fact one of the reasons it took me so long to make these is because I just started playing after getting reference images.

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(Last one is just for funsies)
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how to play it ?
 

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The AI's results are called soulless because there is nothing the AI adds into the drawing by itself. It can only use the bits and pieces that someone else has already done - sorta like Bumblebee talking by using his radio and song lyrics, except the AI can't decide what direction to take for what kind of sentence it wants to make.
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The AI... can't really do that. If can only look at a billion images and take a couple tiny pieces from each one to patch things up or smooth things over.
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That's not how these machine learning algorithms works. And no, won't call them AI, because that's mostly a marketing name derived from the field of study they originated from. In actuality they are not intelligent, just artificial dumb code, but very good at appearing intelligent. Wich tricks lots of people, especially with marketing from big IT companies hammering us daily with "AI".

The best name for these kind of softwares I heard in the tech academic community is "stochastic parrots". They don't have conscience or intention, nor knowledge or understanding. Just statistics and vectors all governed by weights and probabilities. LLM do that with single words. Image generators do that with single pixels. So no, not parts of an existing image, but actual pixels and their color value. That's why you won't find the training material in the ML software itself when it's running on your computer. It's not there in the first place. Every single piece of content was atomized to it's statistical value amongs billions of contents.

They are powerful and, in the right hands, very useful. But very dangerous in the wrong hands.

But this isn't the time and place to parley about them. But, please, if you intend to do it, at least do it after learnign something more than what grifters says about them on the internet. Some STEM Uni professors are on social media, and they talk a lot about this tech. Look for those explaining things in your local language and enjoy.
 

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AI Summary:

The person is saying that what we call "AI" isn't actually smart—it's just software that uses stats to make things look like it's smart. These systems (like chatbots or image generators) don't really "understand" anything. They just use math to guess the next word or pixel based on patterns they've learned from tons of data. It's like a parrot repeating what it hears, but without any real thinking behind it.


They argue that the name "AI" is mostly just a marketing trick. While these tools can be super helpful in the right hands, they can also be dangerous if misused. The person also suggests that if you're going to talk about this stuff, it's worth learning from actual experts, like professors, instead of listening to people spreading hype online.
 
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