VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.1 Part I] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Sancho1969]

it's possible you need to save the nurse

For max Veronica grade points yes, you need to save the Reyes... it's in the VN's code.

I mean... yeah... I wasn't lying...

Come on man... long day but I never called you a liar. I only asked if you were sure before I checked bud. I had a brain fart that many episodes back. My memory goes to shit every end of year/beginning of new year due to accounting requirements... I hate it. Too much math going on in my brain constantly.

no real point in getting multiple sponsors

The mod has CriticalPath screens periodically that are 100% sound... and the sponsor cheats are reliable too... so there's options to play around with for all of us (for shortcuts).

 

[Maviarab]

I mean... yeah... I wasn't lying...

Not sure what you need for a "high honors" rating tho... it's possible you need to save the nurse, but maybe just completing any 2 trainings succesfully might do the trick... I'm too lazy to try those paths... but whatevs.

I guess that answers my own question tho, no real point in getting multiple sponsors (or any really) yet, so I'll keep that PT for now I suppose.

For max Veronica grade points yes, you need to save the Reyes... it's in the VN's code.


Come on man... long day but I never called you a liar. I only asked if you were sure before I checked bud. I had a brain fart that many episodes back. My memory goes to shit every end of year/beginning of new year due to accounting requirements... I hate it. Too much math going on in my brain constantly.


The mod has CriticalPath screens periodically that are 100% sound... and the sponsor cheats are reliable too... so there's options to play around with for all of us (for shortcuts).

I conceded in my last post and hold my hands up.

Have no idea how I even forgot that as have done those runs myself....ehhh it's late, it's 2am and my cat bugging me to go to bed (she always wants cuddles at this time heh).

So will apologise to all again...I'm obviously having a moment, so going to bed

See you all tomorrow.

 

[Jacowboy]

Come on man... long day but I never called you a liar. I only asked if you were sure before I checked bud. I had a brain fart that many episodes back. My memory goes to shit every end of year/beginning of new year due to accounting requirements... I hate it. Too much math going on in my brain constantly.

Nah, it's cool, I'm not calling you out... just thought it was funny =P

Also, not gonna lie, it's pretty funny I seem to have discovered another way to K9 having just discovered the game yesterday... I guess my manwhore philosophy never disappoints

But yeah, I'm gonna keep this PT... I called it "chaotic good" which seemed to fit what I was doing... I just stumbled into it because I was trying to fuck as many chicks as possible without getting too many negative values (like cheater points for junko) and staying on the good path, but like, when I think about it, I'm kinda glad I didn't go for the Dominique sponsorship 'cause she doesn't seem to be too trustwhorthy at this point... so fuck her cheating snake ass (but I still dicked her good, obviously).

 

[Sancho1969]

Nah, it's cool, I'm not calling you out... just thought it was funny =P

I didn't take it that way... I was just jabbing back at ya. Anyway, that sponsorship/grade deal has been known forever, I just spaced it out. As I said I eyeballed old notes, and those notes I wrote way before I coded the MiniStat to alert the Player to potential KLevel that changes depending on being on a Dom or Sub route... so I had already done all the analysis at that point and made the MiniStat fully dynamic as you play.

We're all good bud... don't think I'm sore at all, I'm in a good / humorous mood myself so you and I are on the same page. We've been debating silly shit all day so I was bound to slip once or twice while having drinks.

Keep your eye on Veronica too... she's IS a liar or at a minimum too manipulative. YuNobi1 will back me up on that one

 

[Jacowboy]

Well Veronica has been lying, but everyone else has been lying too, so I'm not gonna hate her too much for it... I figured out early on that the "??????" character was Veronica, and she seemed to be the most trust-worthy all throughout, tbh. Yes, she's the uber pragmatic "the end justify the means" character, but she gave me a better vibe than Dominique from the begining.

Actually, in terms of trust I'd go with 1) Veronica, 2) Alessandra, 3) Dominique, 4) Juliette, in terms of the sisters... I'll always trust those who ain't seeking power (at least for themselves) over the rest.

But yeah, I'm sticking with her... plus that flashback with the MC kinda confirmed my bias that she's the "main" Karlsson sister (of the OG 4). I'm not really seeing how she's manipulative in a bad way towards the MC & family at least... but I just played the good dom path, so I'm in her good graces... I can't say how she behaves if you perform like a nice little dumb slave (I would imagine she'd be less nice lol).

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I mean, we're only on Day 8 since Elena met Kane in prison. We got PLENTY of time to take over in a 1 month time span. Haha.

Yes that does bring up a quandary: if Callista has believed all these years that Cole was truly dead, why was there a need to hide his identity? Perhaps Callista had to keep all possible association with KG a secret from Kane until the Second Gambit, thus talking about a man whom you met, befriended, fell in love, were intimate with, and lost while and because you were a founding executive of KG, is not something you divulge. The only reason Olivia/Kane/Seth even know that Callista is hiding "father" is their knowledge of anatomy. I'm thinking her death was to fool the Board, because Alexander would certainly have seen through it, and Callista couldn't risk letting Kane slip the truth in a moment of "duress" (and who knows, maybe he talks in his sleep). As for the Gambit, I've stated before that she clearly has no choice in the matter. Her confession to Elena shows that every one of her actions since Kane's conception has been to protect his life, or in tangent to that goal.

Your father was a botanist who I fell in love with but he died before you were born. Not that hard. As for the rest, Elenas done more for her daughter in the short time shes known her than Callista has done for Kane. If Kane survives all this it will be in spite of his mom not because of her

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

You are right, but as promised, I am posting Tess's response.
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So, our KaneDom is no stupid and it was just a mistake. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯(no big deal, the important thing is that we got it sorted out)...and I'll assume that maybe Tess will even release 0.8.1b with dialogue fixes (if enough of them accumulate to make a new version)..Well, at least that would make sense.

MilesEdgeworth

I imagine she'll ignore it, but if anything, she should fix the elena information scene by removing the your father and alexander line, the Kane response to Olivia is kind of important to set up the rest of the scene.

 

[Rocket007!]

Bad YuNobi!

Yeah...even the scene with Veronica and Nadia, Veronica basically says without so much words I'm keeping shit from you again that we don't want you to know and you'll find out at the right time.

It's like, every single character almost at this point. Kane needs to go full Kaneinator on their asses as soon as he is able. Why was so, so happy to see that sentence with Elaine, finally..start speaking your damn mind man...the whole damn facility keeps saying you're a special case, important, blah blah....wake up man....start stirring the pot, they are not going to retaliate against you.

Even we as players with third party knowledge...like you say, I don't see the need now/currently to still be keeping secrets and keeping Kane in the dark...what actual purpose does it serves for them now?


Let me know please

Bro it worked , able to play the game now. Thank you

 

[DangleDing]

SisTeam is only relevent in terms of Kane 'aligning' with Olivia's goals and intentions. Olivia wants to take over the Karlsson Group, so basically, do you have her back on that objective? Conversely, while on this topic, SisBro is relevent in how much Olivia has Kanes back in the program. Does she want to keep her eye out for him. While we're also on the topic of the two main characters, while the PrincessEyes variable come from nearly all Kane choices, they are actually an Olivia variable in how Olivia views Kane, not the other way around (and in ep.8, the WorthySon points are actually Elena points, even though again, it's Kane who 'chooses' the points). Just to make sure you're clear on all that.

SisSub currently has no effect other than how she reacts to events and people around her in terms of choices affecting events within the Joy Facility and mainly the board members. Whether it has a longer term effect in terms of how Olivia interacts with Kane, we shall have to wait and see, hopefully though it will or my KaneDom/SisSub save will be pointless lol.

As for dom/sub Kane...well, two completely very different paths, completely. One is a pathetic simp loser (sorry...sorry sub guys hahahaha) and the other starts to take control of his life and move upo the 'corporate' ladder. Two completely different paths. Though go back a page and you will find my notes on the SubK5+ route, which starts as a sub and becomes a dom path but Kane stays sexually submissive.

On each path, Dom or Sub you will miss roughly half of the content of the VN basically. Each path is unique other than world events that everyone sees. As fpor do/don't suggestions, I would personally recommend trying to start as a K6 Good/Dom...get MeetDominique points (do not get more than 1 MeetVeronica points), get her sponsorship immediately and be sure to keep Junko's Romance Open, she will fast-track you to K7 (what you do and with who matters not after this) so can end Ep.07 at K9 (which should end you as a K10/M1 at the end of 8Part3). That would be my advised recommended first save. With Good/Dom/IOlivia as a LI (as think this is pretty obviously the cannon route).


No offence dude...but have you any idea how many variables, points, flags and different choices can be made in this? I'm guessing not and you're just lazy and want other folk to do everything for you. If you had perhaps said, does anyone have a save with x, y, z, and ab flagged, I might have be inclined to help you...

It will take 10 to 15 mins to skip through the content to create an end of 0.7Final save. I suggest you do that, and maybe a please wouldn't go amiss next time either.

I don't understand why people on this site get so aggressive about when someone asks for a save like if you dont want to take the time to help me then don't no need to be rude, I played through all the femdom paths of the previous version but i've uninstalled the last version already so I was just wondering if anyone had any saves for any of the femdom paths already installed

Edit: also I get being courteous but how am I supposed to fit please into this sentence? "does anyone have any of the female dom path saves at the end of the last version?" I'll just say does anyone please have any of the female dom path saves at the end of the last version? Doesn't make much sense does it, its just a question dude, if someone were so inclined as to send me a save I would politely thank them afterwards

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Also, veronicas is the worst because she rubs kanes nose because she knows stuff he wants to know. I can see why juliette hates her

 

[Sharpshooter890]

Regarding the ranks:
- From the evaluation in prison you can get K5 or K6 rank. It doesn't affect the game THAT much (K6 gets possible Deliliah sex scene, while K5 can improve relationship with Kwame a lot more and it will help him get to K6 on the first evaluation).
- You can get to the max of K8 by the end of the first eval (you need to ace the tests, have good relationship with Olivia and Chanel). I jumped from K5 to K8 on a recent playthrough.
- On the next day you do 2 departments, get your good grades and boom, you're a K9! Enjoy the Bugatti! I think you can get to K9 if you are K7-K8, because when I was K5 and aced everything I still only got to K7.

 

[YuNobi1]

Well Veronica has been lying, but everyone else has been lying too, so I'm not gonna hate her too much for it... I figured out early on that the "??????" character was Veronica, and she seemed to be the most trust-worthy all throughout, tbh. Yes, she's the uber pragmatic "the end justify the means" character, but she gave me a better vibe than Dominique from the begining.

Actually, in terms of trust I'd go with 1) Veronica, 2) Alessandra, 3) Dominique, 4) Juliette, in terms of the sisters... I'll always trust those who ain't seeking power (at least for themselves) over the rest.

But yeah, I'm sticking with her... plus that flashback with the MC kinda confirmed my bias that she's the "main" Karlsson sister (of the OG 4). I'm not really seeing how she's manipulative in a bad way towards the MC & family at least... but I just played the good dom path, so I'm in her good graces... I can't say how she behaves if you perform like a nice little dumb slave (I would imagine she'd be less nice lol).

I would encourage you to do a speed run, but pay attention to a few things:
1) Is Veronica's claims matching her actions?
2) Is Veronica transparent on how she's running the Gambit (where she's getting instructions, timetable)?
3) With Veronica running the Gambit, is she enforcing fairness: ensuring that everyone has an equal playing field, equal information, and is she disciplining cheating? Is one candidate/team receiving favorable treatment due to Veronica's actions/inaction?
4) Does she have a favored candidate, and possibly rigging the game to ensure only her desired candidate has a chance of winning?
5) Is this candidate completely independent of Veronica, or has she been directly and indirectly influencing/maneuvering her candidate's direction
6) Would this "influence" disappear once the candidate wins, or will she be an effective puppet for Veronica?
7) If Alessandra kills Veronica during the Gameshow, will Veronica's candidate become the most powerful? Will she keep the power/advantages she had while Veronica was alive, or will those evaporate?
8) Veronica claims that she doesn't want the power, but who inside KG is more powerful than her, and would she become more or less powerful if her chosen candidate wins?
9) Is Veronica truly capable of allowing anything to go outside or contrary to her will? If not, what does she do to ensure it bends so, and how does she react when it doesn't?
10) Who does everyone fear (both within and without KG), and why would all of these people fear such an "honest" person?
11) Despite departments and loyalties, how many of the staff never report to Veronica, or otherwise never fall under her chain-of-command?

 

[Stan5851]

Also, veronicas is the worst because she rubs kanes nose because she knows stuff he wants to know. I can see why juliette hates her

Don't rush to accuse Veronica of all the deadly sins without finding out why she is withholding information from Kane. And that, in my opinion, is one of the biggest mysteries of the game... And I don't think that Tess just wants to keep the intrigue going longer so that the flood of revelations will fall on Kane gradually, making the game interesting. No, it's something else...Perhaps some strict conditions of non-disclosure of Gambit, set by Alexander himself, that can't be ignored even after his death.

All the characters (be it DeKocks or Karlssons) dose the information Kane receives in one way or another, so this is clearly not Veronica's whim, but something that absolutely everyone (from the "pretenders to the throne" to the high-ranking staff communicating with Kane and Olivia, who, by the way, doesn't know much yet either) is forced to abide by. I guess we'll have to wait and in the not too distant future we'll finally find out exactly what the reason for this withholding of information was.

 

[Maviarab]

Well Veronica has been lying, but everyone else has been lying too, so I'm not gonna hate her too much for it... I figured out early on that the "??????" character was Veronica

That wasn't Veronica. Read Alexander's dialogue again...carefully.

    ak "You are such a brilliant mind. Shining far more than I even though you hide it very well."
    xx "I know what you truly want Father. I will do it, if it is a worthy choice."
    ak "I know...I am glad too. I knew you truly understood me deep down."
    ak "...So brilliant, but I worried as I taught you that you were not willing to do what was necessary to control your fate."
    ak "But only now as I look into your eyes...*cough*...truly only right now do I actually see you as I die..."
    ak "I understand now and I see your real brilliance because you even fooled me didn't you?"
    xx "Yes, Father."

Does that really sound like he's talking to Veronica? If hoowever you meant Red Tips Mask....then yes that is Veronica and confirmed in Ep8.

Bro it worked , able to play the game now. Thank you

You're welcome, glad got it sorted

I don't understand why people on this site get so aggressive about when someone asks for a save like if you dont want to take the time to help me then don't no need to be rude, I played through all the femdom paths of the previous version but i've uninstalled the last version already so I was just wondering if anyone had any saves for any of the femdom paths already installed

Because if you actually realised how many different paths and variables/flags there are you'd realise what you're asking for with no context is ridiculous, without giving details of exactly what path you want and decisions made. This is one of the reasons there is no 'choose decisions' at the start of Ep.8.

No, it's something else...Perhaps some strict conditions of non-disclosure of Gambit, set by Alexander himself, that can't be ignored even after his death.

Yeah this is my thinking also, has to be a Gambit issue...as discussed with Miles yesterday, can't personally see any reason for it anymore given his situation (especially on the sub path..like, what's he gonna do about this information? Nothing).

 

[Darkbreed]

This game is pretty Fucked, not my type, but well made for target Audience. Less fucked than loli tho.

 

[BurgRoyce]

This game is pretty Fucked, not my type, but well made for target Audience. Less fucked than loli tho.

You know, there is the possibility to play the Domination path, not participating on any cruel act, not being humiliated, and biding your time to retaliate against all of these evil bitches. That's my path
In addition, this story has a LOT more to offer than sadistic cruelty. Tons of intrigue, lore, and so on.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

For Sub Kane’s path I do wonder what Veronica means when she said this?.

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Ticket to what exactly? And Nadia said she’ll see us again soon…tho she and Cynthia are most likely watching the show then participating in it ( tho I could be wrong!) Tho Tess has teased that the Decocks might have something else for him (if he is not k7)… Delilah has a route with sub Kane so maybe it has to do something with that! (It’s in my sub tree that I made!)

 

[Maviarab]

For Sub Kane’s path I do wonder what Veronica means when she said this?.

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Ticket to what exactly? And Nadia said she’ll see us again soon…tho she and Cynthia are most likely watching the show then participating in it ( tho I could be wrong!) Tho Tess has teased that the Decocks might have something else for him (if he is not k7)… Delilah has a route with sub Kane so maybe it has to do something with that! (It’s in my sub tree that I made!)

Well, as VIP's they will be watching, in VIP rooms etc...we will be 'doing the rounds' so-to-speak, meeting people, ensuring things are going smoothly, making sure our girls are doing what they need to. So we will be bumping into them again.

Sub path? I'm sure they will organise a meet via Elena etc, possibly like the first meeting we had with Cynthia, but that is less transparent and obvious than on the dom side for sure, would take some calibrating if we're stuck in the maze still (though guess that depends entirely on rank).

Ticket. C'mon Crow...what do you think? (and this scene is pretty much near identical on both routes). Seems pretty obvious to me. Island 4. While Veronica's conversation with Astrid states 50k people...and Astrid thinks it should be more, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it will be much...much...much less. A ticket will guarantee you a spot. Think back to the disaster film 2012...

I'm more curious who John is to be honest lol. Does our lil Naddi have a beau somewhere?

 

[YuNobi1]

For Sub Kane’s path I do wonder what Veronica means when she said this?.

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Ticket to what exactly? And Nadia said she’ll see us again soon…tho she and Cynthia are most likely watching the show then participating in it ( tho I could be wrong!) Tho Tess has teased that the Decocks might have something else for him (if he is not k7)… Delilah has a route with sub Kane so maybe it has to do something with that! (It’s in my sub tree that I made!)

I was just about to post about this but you beat me to it (see below). This is a universal conversation (screenshots below taken from Dom path) with only references to Kane's rank being altered.


I see there are 3 major puzzles that remain aloof in Ep. 8, or because of Ep. 8.
1)

Why is Kane's ignorance of his heritage and his full place in the Gambit so necessary for his success in it? If Alexander's main lesson to his daughters was to always aggressively seize power, shouldn't informing Kane, who has lived a life that has taught him "only the rich can have power", that power is attainable if he is willing to take it be in Alexander's best interests? If Alexander is effectively hedging all of his bets on Kane being his continued image/legacy for a generation, shouldn't he be pushing SubKane to "snap out of it, and act like a man"?

2) Here and all of Cynthia's earlier conversations highly suggest that the DeKocks will win something in the Gambit, totally separate from whatever Kane's final fate will be. But what, and how? It's clearly not an assets acquisition should the Gambit fail again, and KG dissolve, else they would not be wanting Kane to rise above K4. It also cannot be a hostile takeover with Kane at the helm, else there is no "ticket" with a SubKane, and Delilah would be trying to get Kane promoted, and fast. Sure a SubKane could take Delilah up on her offer to cross over to DS and save himself from a life of misery, but that is effectively quitting the Gambit, leaving both Kane and DS without reward from the endeavor.

3) Seth. A) Why does Veronica feel the need to torture Seth, B) What is her cover story to the Board on why Seth is there, and therefore what Alexander had planned for him? I had previously thought that Alexander did want him for Astrid, but Ep. 8 reveals that Alexander figured she was dead, has no idea where she is, and would definitely be blocking any efforts to try to save her, so Alexander didn't want Seth, Veronica did. His presence is entirely her project, therefore torturing Seth was pointless and only served her own sadistic pleasure (as demonstrated by Astrid's opposite treatment of him).

So, if Veronica is the one truly running the Gambit, to the point where she is able to add aspects to it that are explicitly against Alexander's wishes (in Ep. 5, she claimed that all 3 siblings being brought to JF was necessary for the next Gambit Phase to begin, so she's lying about Seth), and she is actively rigging the game to ensure that only Olivia can win (whom she might be grooming as a puppet), then can we truly believe her that Kane needs to be kept in the dark, or is that just her sadism again (physical for Seth, psychological for Kane)? She seems to be the only one saying this, and Elena enforces it [but just barely] because she listens to Veronica. We have seen a template with Katsumi, who confessed that while physical sadism was fun, that she preferred the mind games of giving her victims (Seth) a ray of hope, having them cling to it, until the right moment when she crushes them, citing that the despair they exhibit is the greatest exhilaration she can experience.

 

[Maviarab]

I was just about to post about this but you beat me to it (see below). This is a universal conversation (screenshots below taken from Dom path) with only references to Kane's rank being altered.


I see there are 3 major puzzles that remain aloof in Ep. 8, or because of Ep. 8.
1)
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Why is Kane's ignorance of his heritage and his full place in the Gambit so necessary for his success in it? If Alexander's main lesson to his daughters was to always aggressively seize power, shouldn't informing Kane, who has lived a life that has taught him "only the rich can have power", that power is attainable if he is willing to take it be in Alexander's best interests? If Alexander is effectively hedging all of his bets on Kane being his continued image/legacy for a generation, shouldn't he be pushing SubKane to "snap out of it, and act like a man"?

2) Here and all of Cynthia's earlier conversations highly suggest that the DeKocks will win something in the Gambit, totally separate from whatever Kane's final fate will be. But what, and how? It's clearly not an assets acquisition should the Gambit fail again, and KG dissolve, else they would not be wanting Kane to rise above K4. It also cannot be a hostile takeover with Kane at the helm, else there is no "ticket" with a SubKane, and Delilah would be trying to get Kane promoted, and fast. Sure a SubKane could take Delilah up on her offer to cross over to DS and save himself from a life of misery, but that is effectively quitting the Gambit, leaving both Kane and DS without reward from the endeavor.

3) Seth. A) Why does Veronica feel the need to torture Seth, B) What is her cover story to the Board on why Seth is there, and therefore what Alexander had planned for him? I had previously thought that Alexander did want him for Astrid, but Ep. 8 reveals that Alexander figured she was dead, has no idea where she is, and would definitely be blocking any efforts to try to save her, so Alexander didn't want Seth, Veronica did. His presence is entirely her project, therefore torturing Seth was pointless and only served her own sadistic pleasure (as demonstrated by Astrid's opposite treatment of him).

So, if Veronica is the one truly running the Gambit, to the point where she is able to add aspects to it that are explicitly against Alexander's wishes (in Ep. 5, she claimed that all 3 siblings being brought to JF was necessary for the next Gambit Phase to begin, so she's lying about Seth), and she is actively rigging the game to ensure that only Olivia can win (whom she might be grooming as a puppet), then can we truly believe her that Kane needs to be kept in the dark, or is that just her sadism again (physical for Seth, psychological for Kane)? She seems to be the only one saying this, and Elena enforces it [but just barely] because she listens to Veronica. We have seen a template with Katsumi, who confessed that while physical sadism was fun, that she preferred the mind games of giving her victims (Seth) a ray of hope, having them cling to it, until the right moment when she crushes them, citing that the despair they exhibit is the greatest exhilaration she can experience.

1. Because ultimately, no matter which way you look at, the subPath is not the default nor the cannon. So it will never make full sense unfortunately. I agree with you regarding Alexander and Kane..like, why would he want a submissive son..unless all he truly cares about it..after all is said and done..is the future grandchild? Said it before, all we know of Kane from before prison, everything Olivia says about him before prison..he is not a submissive individual. I'll say it again, this is an interesting story, dressed up as a femdom game, when in reality, it isn't actually a femdom game at all.

2. See my previous post above yours.

3. I imagine (as you touch on on your 4th point) she just used Seth as a way of having the fmaily together in order to possibly exert control over Olivia/Kane if it was every needed to be done. The board I imagine probably went along with this. Once he was stashed away quietly, she could do what she liked for her true purpose. As for her treatment of Seth, we come full circle back to just exactly how much of an evil bitch is she really? All the signs are there, some folk just want to not see them. She as bad as any of the others.

4. Not entirely accurate. She point blanks tell Dominique that once she sees a committed woman in front of her, that woman will have her vote. She hedging her bets, and she has never once said Olivia is the best, only that she is interesting and an unusual/exciting addition. She will quite happily support Dominique if Dom can prove to her she is single-minded and no longer conflicted (unless we go with an assumption Veronica is point-blank lying to her?). I personally think she is also playing Callista....but then I think Callista playing everyone and everyone else is trying to play everyone else lol.

It does leave the big question of: How much of what is happening, what is being said (or not, as the case may be) attributed directly to the Gambit and it's conditions compared to how much Veronica is skirting the lines of the rules for her own interests?


Sorry Crow hehe