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Yes, our supposed sister is proud of us..Oh, that "stupid idiot" KaneDom, he he.
When I first saw this scene, I immediately suspected that Kiyomi was the one spying, not guarding Veronica... However, I'm still not convinced because Kiyomi is playing (for me) a completely incomprehensible game so far.
And to be honest, I don't think Kiyomi is working for the DeKocks and betraying the Karlsson's.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content.
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Yes… Kiyomi meeting Cole and Cole dropping in like an ODST from Halo LOLYes, our supposed sister is proud of us..Oh, that "stupid idiot" KaneDom, he he.
When I first saw this scene, I immediately suspected that Kiyomi was the one spying, not guarding Veronica... However, I'm still not convinced because Kiyomi is playing (for me) a completely incomprehensible game so far.
Anyway, I've reached the point again where I'm still wandering around in the twilight and completely clueless as to what game Kiyomi is playing. Friends, any guesses as to what else it could be?You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
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I believe that Kiyomi and Kitty are working together. Not only have we been told they're related and shown that Kitty trusts Kiyomi overall, but we have Kiyomi's statement that only one other person would recognize Otto's mistake, and they don't matter. Kitty is nowhere near those people, so I can see her not matter in that scenario.
That being said, Kiyomi's motives are clear as mud to me
That being said, Kiyomi's motives are clear as mud to me
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I'd be surprised if they worked together. They are sisters, but that seems to be all they have in common. Maybe it's enough? Seems unlikely to me, but we don't have a lot of information on their relationship so who knows.
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They also have very different personalities (to put it mildly). Kiyomi is a killer, but she has a code of honour and doesn't like to torture slaves for her own pleasure, while Katsumi, as we know, is a sadist, close to Juliette. So it would be a rather odd union of two opposites.
But you're right, we don't know what their relationship is really like.
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Honestly, at this point, I would too but Im just throwing everything at the wall at this point. Im sure I will have moved onto my next theory in a day or so
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Everybody talks about Kiyomi and her alleged sence of 'honour' and I have something controversial to say (again). She doesn't have any 'honour', she just uses it as an excuse to convince herself that she's not like her sister and the others.
Okay, hot take over, and good morning!
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is there any Mac user on here who wants the test version DM before the test version is out otherwise? I won't bother with Mac there is no point in me wasting around 2 hours to download and re-upload to my Mega if no one wants the Mac version. so far people have only asked for the PC test version.
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Joi Facility is my favourite facility on the citadel?You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Good points...we can still give her a pass though
Mehh...no one cares about peasent Mac users (or android)
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She is honorable because she is true to herself and true to her word. She never says anything about not being a sadist. You might disagree that is enough to call her honorable, but in KG they seemingly don't.
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The scene of Kiyomi's psychological torture in the K3 dungeon is at the beginning of the game, with time she begins to see the possibility of change, and to this we must add Seth's charms (without him realising it), so by the end we have a Kiyomi who is a little more "human" than the one we see at the beginning.
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Yes, he is very important!
1. He enchants the Karlson sisters' best assassin like a flute player enchants a cobra.
2. He will indirectly give Astrid the cure for her illness and thus gain her protection in her laboratory.
3. Astrid's domain is outside the whole mad complex the sisters have for her enjoyment (joy facility), so Seth may already be off the chessboard and safe without even knowing it.
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Maybe you're on to something. At any rate, Kiyomi is the most confusing character.
Kiyomi also gets off on killing that guy in front of Seth when they first meet. And says "You know what? I'll make it extremely quick since you are awake, but it's never good to see someone die if it can be avoided."
She seems to be genuinely against Katsumi and Olivia abusing Seth. And genuinely wanting to help Seth. "Seth... everything in here is observed and recorded. Everything. I also gave my word to remain silent on some things. And I never break my word, even if... even if I want to sometimes." Later, during that scene she also says:
Tess obviously intentionally worded it this way to be open-ended, she does this a lot. I always assumed it meant that Kiyomi thinks she's a better person than Katsumi, but maybe it could also mean that she's just better at what Katsumi does, which, as we know, Katsumi's biggest kink is befriending the weak and powerless, giving them hope and then squashing it.
The real confusing thing to me though, is the stat system with Kiyomi. She seems aligned with Veronica, but their points contradict each other to some degree. For example, if you become a ViperPet, Kiyomi obviously likes this, but Veronica does not. It's very unlikely that the point system is a lie, and the point system indicates that Kiyomi hates when people don't pick honorable decisions. For example, Olivia asking Kiyomi to be nicer or meaner to Kane will lose points with her.
So the idea that she is a more extreme version of Katsumi seems unlikely. She also refuses to help Katsumi in the game show. But then, as you pointed out, there's that scene when Kane turns down being a Viper Pet... It feels so contradictory.
I'm reading some of the dialogue around Kiyomi more carefully now, and it seems like some people around her aren't sure what to make of Kiyomi either. Juliette says to Kiyomi, "Fine, what an exciting word! I always hoped you secretly got off assassinating people, but maybe you don't? I'll never know I guess."
Kiyomi also claims that due to some enhancements in her body, she has a few side effects that she has to deal with. One of those side effects is a very active libido. She's been using meditation to calm herself down, but after having been ordered by Juliette to use Seth, she realizes she should use more sexual solutions.
So, just speculation but perhaps at the start of the VN she is genuinely an honorable person and will be corrupted more over time?
Another interesting thing she says that could explain her intro scene with Seth where she kills someone is this: "I've actually had some men licking me like this, but they were usually begging for their lives. But it's not because I want to do it so badly. I've had to record these... situations through my own eyes for another..."
I wonder if Kiyomi gave her word to someone (A Karlsson sister I would assume?) and refuses to break it, but regrets giving her word. And eventually as the story plays out will, she will eventually betray whoever she gave her word to?