VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2 Test] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Lazarusrv]

I see. I still think it's unlikely for people as powerful as they are and as morally... liberal, shall we say, as they are, to care that someone is their biological sister/half sister and do them any favours because of that - look at how nobles in history would often wage civil wars and/or murder even their blood siblings that they grew up with for the throne, so why would someone like, say, Juliette Karlsson, be more compassionate towards an absolute stranger to her that grew up as a pauper, even if Olivia is her biological sister?

It's still a great game and maybe Tess has her reasons why she made all the Karlsson sisters treat Olivia nicely, but all I'm saying is it looks a bit like a plothole. (as it would've been more advantageous to them to start Olivia as one of the lower Ks, and it would've also been a greater test of her mettle/wits if she had to rise through the ranks the way Kane has to...) Elena would've probably tried to stop them from making Olivia a K4 or a K3, but I'm not sure she would've had the power to do that if the Karlsson members of the board wanted to...

I don't recall it ever actually being mentioned why olivia starts at Z3 (as even the position she holds is usually a Z1 position). The only thing that makes sense (and from snipets of dialogue) is that because she is a Karlsson sister it's as high as they can place her without actually giving her a board seat (which they offer after a few days anyway so...meh hehe).

They also understand (especially Alessa) that had it not been for Alexander/Callista, she would have been around much earlier and already be granted a board seat by default being another sister most likely.

Well, what i'm about to say is my opinion on the matter, be advised, if you haven't played de game DON'T READ IT

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Insist, that's what I think

And sorry to all who read it for my english

 

[Stan5851]

Well, what i'm about to say is my opinion on the matter, be advised, if you haven't played de game DON'T READ IT

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Insist, that's what I think

And sorry to all who read it for my english

Are you serious? O_O Maviarab knows this game inside and out, and even more than many players who have played it. The OP has a link to his special sheet detailing the timeline, events, variables, flags, characters, and so on. (some of this information is exclusive at all and known only to the developer, and now to us). So let's just agree that this joke of yours is not a good one.

As for the rest of what you wrote, I agree with you here (although much of it is explained in plain text in the game itself, particularly why Olivia should be where she ended up).

 

[Sharpshooter890]

They treat her nicely because she is a Karlsson so why would you treat her any different then you would treat your other sisters

My sisters (if I had any) do not compete with me to inherit the largest company in the world, the Karlsson sisters do. Truth be told, Tess really needs to come up with a satisfying explanation of why everybody respects the rules of the Gambit and doesn't hire assassins to kill other siblings. The 'Oh, it was a stipulation of Alexander's will' won't work, because history clearly shows us that the will of the deceased rarely mattered when there were several contenders to the throne. It's even true for other fictional worlds based on feudal laws (like Dune or Game of Thrones).

As for her rank as Z3, it couldn't be any lower, since she's the warden of the JF and some staff members are Z2 (the Doctor) and Z1 (Kitty). Z4, on the other hand, would be too much for someone who's yet to prove herself. And putting her into K-program would require a rewrite of an entire story and characters, which is just unrealistic.

 

[Maviarab]

They treat her nicely because she is a Karlsson so why would you treat her any different then you would treat your other sisters

Exactly. At this point also, despite them knowing why she is there (they dragged her there after all themselves), at this point in time they have no reason to actively dislike her, especially one of the sisters as they have no interest in running the company anyway. Two would also probably be happy with the status quo of their lives if Olivia did take over.

Are you serious? O_O Maviarab knows this game inside and out, and even more than many players who have played it. The OP has a link to his special sheet detailing the timeline, events, variables, flags, characters, and so on. (some of this information is exclusive at all and known only to the developer, and now to us). So let's just agree that this joke of yours is not a good one.

As for the rest of what you wrote, I agree with you here (although much of it is explained in plain text in the game itself, particularly why Olivia should be where she ended up).

I think his warning was directed for anyone who has not played yet, not to me

My sisters (if I had any) do not compete with me to inherit the largest company in the world, the Karlsson sisters do. Truth be told, Tess really needs to come up with a satisfying explanation of why everybody respects the rules of the Gambit and doesn't hire assassins to kill other siblings. The 'Oh, it was a stipulation of Alexander's will' won't work, because history clearly shows us that the will of the deceased rarely mattered when there were several contenders to the throne. It's even true for other fictional worlds based on feudal laws (like Dune or Game of Thrones).

All excellent and fair points Sharp. There has to be something that we, currently are blissfully unaware of that forces everyone to play the 'game'.

 

[Lazarusrv]

My sisters (if I had any) do not compete with me to inherit the largest company in the world, the Karlsson sisters do. Truth be told, Tess really needs to come up with a satisfying explanation of why everybody respects the rules of the Gambit and doesn't hire assassins to kill other siblings. The 'Oh, it was a stipulation of Alexander's will' won't work, because history clearly shows us that the will of the deceased rarely mattered when there were several contenders to the throne. It's even true for other fictional worlds based on feudal laws (like Dune or Game of Thrones).

As for her rank as Z3, it couldn't be any lower, since she's the warden of the JF and some staff members are Z2 (the Doctor) and Z1 (Kitty). Z4, on the other hand, would be too much for someone who's yet to prove herself. And putting her into K-program would require a rewrite of an entire story and characters, which is just unrealistic.

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Are you serious? O_O Maviarab knows this game inside and out, and even more than many players who have played it. The OP has a link to his special sheet detailing the timeline, events, variables, flags, characters, and so on. (some of this information is exclusive at all and known only to the developer, and now to us). So let's just agree that this joke of yours is not a good one.

I think his warning was directed for anyone who has not played yet, not to me

When i read Stan5851 post i sincerly didn't know about what he was refering

I know that Maviarab Knows much more than me about the game, after all i'm only a Neofite, the comentary was for who are reading the posts without playing episode 8 or at least most of the game

 

[kinkyshin]

My sisters (if I had any) do not compete with me to inherit the largest company in the world, the Karlsson sisters do. Truth be told, Tess really needs to come up with a satisfying explanation of why everybody respects the rules of the Gambit and doesn't hire assassins to kill other siblings. The 'Oh, it was a stipulation of Alexander's will' won't work, because history clearly shows us that the will of the deceased rarely mattered when there were several contenders to the throne. It's even true for other fictional worlds based on feudal laws (like Dune or Game of Thrones).

As for her rank as Z3, it couldn't be any lower, since she's the warden of the JF and some staff members are Z2 (the Doctor) and Z1 (Kitty). Z4, on the other hand, would be too much for someone who's yet to prove herself. And putting her into K-program would require a rewrite of an entire story and characters, which is just unrealistic.

Huh? None of the sisters (including Vernoica) would actually be able to run the company by themselves. Even with each other, they were nearly done in by some revolts and the DeKocks are a serious threat to them and have been circling around like vultures waiting for an opportunity, which, it seems like they've finally found. And yea, we still don't know what it is that Veronica cannot access without Callista's help.

The fact that they want to kill each other is more absurd than the fact that they haven't done so yet, IMO.

 

[Dark Quean Olivia]

Well..have an evening away and the peasants start to revolt...or is that the peasants are revolting? I always get that mixed up Some pretty disparaging stuff being said around here about your quean I might add!!!

They treat her nicely because she is a Karlsson so why would you treat her any different then you would treat your other sisters

Exactly, they also know how lovely I am and just the sweetest, most precious thing ever. Why would they not treat me nicely?

Plus (to our knowledge), none of Alexander's daughters were in the program.... and by the logic of the game itself, there should be no reason for Olivia to be in the program either.

Exactly, it would just be, well, beneath me, aside from the fact, as you say, none of my sisters did it, sure they had to 'prove themselves', which is exactly what I'm doing as the Warden.

As for her rank as Z3, it couldn't be any lower, since she's the warden of the JF

Of course. Just silly talk isn't it saying anything less!

with some daughters believing that they are just better than other people.

Oh I don't believe it, I full well know it!

However the biggest reason why I think that Olivia was given such a high position is Elena. Sure she might have not known about their relationship from the start, but Callista did say to Olivia that she could trust Elena with her life, which makes me think that she should have at least talked with Elena before she disappeared, ensuring that Olivia would be in a good spot to participate in the gambit.

Ultimately I have a birth right to be on the board, they all know that. Was hardly my fault Callista took me away under threats of who-knows-what by daddy. The position was given by board vote, as the highest position there is without actually making me a board member. Not that I'm terribly happy about that but it is what it is for now. It matters not ultimately, I'll be sat behind that desk in the ivory tower soon enough.

I also think it would have been better to put Olivia in the same situation as Kane

but we can dream about a K4 Olivia ).

*coughs*...umm, gentlemen, I think we need to have a little chat and sort out some misunderstandings you both very obviously have!

 

[Maviarab]

Olivia's interests in the company are represented by her mother, maybe i'm wrong but none of the others mothers are in the council.

Yvette is Veronica and Astrid's mother

and the DeKocks are a serious threat to them and have been circling around like vultures waiting for an opportunity

And Phoebe tells both Yvette and Elena that they are no match for Cynthia and neither was Alexander...

 

[Dreadlord Sinister]

Dark Quean Olivia my queen I apologize for not being available tomorrow as you know we had a rebel attack recently and I've got to Chuck 1,400 dread troopers out the airlock and then launch a secret attack on the recently discovered hidden rebel base war is hell anywho I do apologize in advance

 

[Lazarusrv]

Yvette is Veronica and Astrid's mother

Maybe thats the reason because she seems to be so detached from the war for the control a part from other trifles matters like the end of the world

 

[Maviarab]

Maybe thats the reason because she seems to be so detached from the war for the control a part from other trifles matters like the end of the world

I was actually only thinking during my last run through how little we actually see Yvette. Sure, she not in contention for running the company as will side with Vero in any decisions (ans is privvy now to Gambit information as is Elena), but she is conspicuously absent for large parts of the story so far....

 

[Stan5851]

I know that Maviarab Knows much more than me about the game, after all i'm only a Neofite, the comentary was for who are reading the posts without playing episode 8 or at least most of the game

I thought you were addressing him directly. Well, as usual, translation difficulties, no big deal. At least I know which of you guys is a native English speaker and will always be able to correct, pointing out semantic nuances and shades. You won't believe it, it's Maviarab again, haha...The circle is closed.

 

[hvarbo]

*coughs*...umm, gentlemen, I think we need to have a little chat and sort out some misunderstandings you both very obviously have!

It's very understandable for people to imagine you as K4 or lower while they are Z4 themselves. It's a perfect way to show you that even with all the power in the world, they would still want nothing more than to submit to you and willingly lick your heels. That must be the only reason why Mistress, I can't fathom of a single alternative scenario!

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

In case anyone's interested, here's what Tess said to my suggestion.

No promises and nothing concrete, but as they say, let's hope for the best..
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So like a katsumi sitch. katsumi was one off till she became so popular

Can anyone on the subpath tell me how Chloe got separated from her sister? I figured either both would be working with Astrid or both would be working in a pod.

As for those wondering about Chloe's strengths, Chloe will do whatever she's told without questioning the morality of it whereas Angelica either wont or wont perform as well. In terms of hotness, Angelica destroys Chloe but in terms of having a robot who will do as ordered, you want Chloe.

Also for those playing me3, Mordin don't have to die, yes you'll have to kill off rex in 1 and fuck over his species with the genophage, but you can def keep Mording alive

 

[Stan5851]

The fact that they want to kill each other is more absurd than the fact that they haven't done so yet, IMO.

However, that's just the way it is. And at the very least, Alessandra plans to frame the murder so that one of her sisters kills the other, or better yet, that they both die at once. Don't ask me how they're going to get along without each other, I don't know. There's either human stupidity and an unwillingness to think strategically many steps ahead or, alternatively, a carefully calculated operation involving replacing the sisters who are out with someone more cooperative.

Again, we have no idea if they (the Karlsson sisters) have close aides who can fulfill their duties in an emergency... Just because we haven't been shown them, doesn't mean they don't exist... But in any case, Alessandra doesn't seem like the kind of woman who doesn't calculate her actions, so if she has these murder plans, it's obvious that she's calculated what comes next. And she's hardly interested in having her plans buried by the DeKocks and New Paris..

 

[rai1230]

They treat her nicely because she is a Karlsson so why would you treat her any different then you would treat your other sisters

but the sisters don't like each other and all of them want to win at the end so eliminating a sister early on would seam like the most logical step so its weird why they gave her almost full power

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

but the sisters don't like each other and all of them want to win at the end so eliminating a sister early on would seam like the most logical step so its weird why they gave her almost full power

I assume they're bound by rules. Same rules that stopped Juliette from Fucking with Seth too badly. Besides for all they know, she can be useful in their future plans.

 

[hvarbo]

but the sisters don't like each other and all of them want to win at the end so eliminating a sister early on would seam like the most logical step so its weird why they gave her almost full power

First of all I think Z3 and Z4 while only differing by a single rank, they are completely different. If any of the other sisters wanted they could fire her whenever, that only changed when Elena gave up her seat for her.

Also I think that Veronica is another main reason for that. Veronica controls the collars on the slaves, and she has shown that she is willing to take action if a sister of hers is threatened. Now granted, Olivia isn't a full sister like Astrid, but she is hoping that she might be a better ruler than her bloodthirsty sisters and she does think that the gambit is the best way to deal with the DeKoks so she would want Olivia safe and in a position of power.

Now that doesn't mean that the other sisters will take everything lying down, but it would make some sense to offer Olivia a good job and act friendly, trying to pull her to their side while taking their time to make the necessary preparations to take on Veronica if they end up needing to.

 

[Stan5851]

Can anyone on the subpath tell me how Chloe got separated from her sister? I figured either both would be working with Astrid or both would be working in a pod.[/Ispoiler]

I'm curious about that too, but why do you think sub players should know that? We are first introduced to Justine and Kim (one of whom is Chloe's twin) only in this ep, and it's a common scene for both dom and sub. There is no other mention of these girls (at least in WT).

 

[PickerLewd]

So like a katsumi sitch. katsumi was one off till she became so popular.

Really? Kitty makes so many appearances that I never imagined that the character had suffered changes due to Patreon fans (I got to know game with episode 7 almost finished).