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"Innocent"? Please, the mere fact that they exist and do nothing to change their state of affairs makes them guilty. I had been advocating for a violent Revolution in this thread before, but I've reconsidered my stance on that issue. That apathetic biomass of filth doesn't deserve freedom and eqality. There's no hatred in their hearts, no burning desire to eradicate the evil bitches, no fire in their eyes. "Apathy is death. Worse than death, even, because at least a corpse serves as a food for the worms." (Kreia, KotoR 2).
Compare those sad sacks of crap to our glorious Juliette - she knows what she wants from life and we can see that in her eyes (ah, those beautiful cold, gray eyes). When she tells you she's going to "devour" you - you belive her. Do you honestly think those pathetic "good guys" (worms) - Otto, Junko, good subby Kane and Co - will do what it takes when the time comes? Of course not, they will choke on the first hard decision they have to make. All I see are soft, weak slabs of meat for Jules to enjoy grilling. And my Kane will be right there with her, putting more coals into the fire.
- Nov 8, 2021
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The old man from the k1 zone is zach's uncle, so he's likely not an innocent given what his brother does
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Will be a way to get Kane be trained as an assassin by Kiyomi?.because it only was said twice, Kiyomi says it to Kane and another she says it to Olivia but is never mentioned again yet
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We don't know, not heard anything nor are there any future hints in the walkthrough. Guess we shall see, though I could see it happening (or at least some training) depending on romance/faction situation going forward. In my experience, Tess rarely writres meaningless dialogue.
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We've been through this before. A race of chosen masters and a race of slaves. It ended in millions of casualties and World War II. About these people not doing anything and not rebelling. How many successful uprisings do you know of that took place in Nazi camps during WW2? I only know of 5 and I can't say they were all successful. You can read the outcome of these uprisings in the online Holocaust Encyclopaedia."Innocent"? Please, the mere fact that they exist and do nothing to change their state of affairs makes them guilty. I had been advocating for a violent Revolution in this thread before, but I've reconsidered my stance on that issue. That apathetic biomass of filth doesn't deserve freedom and eqality. There's no hatred in their hearts, no burning desire to eradicate the evil bitches, no fire in their eyes. "Apathy is death. Worse than death, even, because at least a corpse serves as a food for the worms." (Kreia, KotoR 2).
Compare those sad sacks of crap to our glorious Juliette - she knows what she wants from life and we can see that in her eyes (ah, those beautiful cold, gray eyes). When she tells you she's going to "devour" you - you belive her. Do you honestly think those pathetic "good guys" (worms) - Otto, Junko, good subby Kane and Co - will do what it takes when the time comes? Of course not, they will choke on the first hard decision they have to make. All I see are soft, weak slabs of meat for Jules to enjoy grilling. And my Kane will be right there with her, putting more coals into the fire.
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But we ARE quite literally a breed of chosen masters. That's the whole point of the Gambit - to create an Ubermensh (Kane + worthy sister = superior child). A comparison with WW2 Germany is an incorrect one though, because the germans had a racial ideology at the heart of their regime, with particular groups (jews, slavs, gypsies, mentally deficient, homosexuals etc) being branded "subhuman". At the Joy Facility, on the other hand, you can rise through the ranks if you're skilled enough. They have all sorts of people there - asian, black, bisexual girls etc. It's more of an anarcho-capitalist dystopia than national-socialist totalitarianism.
I got a feeling that Tess might've been inspired by works of Nietzshe and Ayn Rand for this particular setting.
Edit: As for all the slaves being monitored - unless there's a sophisticated AI dedicated to this task, it's impossible. You'd need an absurd amount of security personnel, which is definetly not the case here.
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Well we know they aren't, not even Dominique's if we recall our 'work assignment' with her.
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I'm sorry, but the Simpsons have a meme for everything, in this case an ideal one for those of us who have studied almost nothing about the WW2 or never read the authors mentioned
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Would you rather discuss that weird castration fetish again?I'm sorry, but the Simpsons have a meme for everything, in this case an ideal one for those of us who have studied almost nothing about the WW2 or never read the authors mentioned
I think not. So let's stick to Nietzshe.
- Dec 22, 2022
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No thanks, I'd rather discuss what happens when Maviarab reaches the limit of allowed users on the list™
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Should it ever happen the Schwartz will guide me.No thanks, I'd rather discuss what happens when Maviarab reaches the limit of allowed users on the list™
Sans mustachio though thanksWould you rather discuss that weird castration fetish again?
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As Mav said, it's unknown but your best bet is probs to collect all the Kiyomi points that he can.
A femdom fetish in a femdom game isn't really weird, certainly not weird by comparison.Would you rather discuss that weird castration fetish again?
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Dozens of drones monitoring a mine network with hundreds or thousands of miners is, to put it politely, a suboptimal counter-insurgency strategy. The replacement time for those drones would be like 2 months given they'd have to operate near constantly. Also if they have and can produce drones in this universe they can also - much more easily and cheaply - produce drone jammers, which would be maximally effective in an enclosed space like a mine.
Not to mention it'd be impossible to keep them charged in those circumstances unless they're plugged in, so you'd be much better off with stationary systems anyway. And stationary systems can be evaded and/or destroyed, especially if you only have 'dozens' of them covering hundreds of hectares, thousands of feet underground.
Millions of people in every known civilization were enslaved and exploited, yet didn't sweep away their masters. It's a question of social organization, which is one of the many things about this game and story that's not very clear.
Nietzsche? No. There are a few points of similarity with Rand but this society is obviously feudal, not capitalist or fascist. They just call themselves a corporation. Why? Not clear. The correct answer is Sade himself, if Sade got bored of theorizing about perfect revolution and started posting tiktoks.
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Right. That's exactly what I wanted to say (among other things), but didn't expand on my already large post. But the point is that before disparagingly calling people "biomass", which was voiced earlier (hello fascism again), it would be good to study the details of the social organisation of each particular group of people.
We know that the planet (at least the African continent where the events of the game take place) is severely lacking in water, food and energy. We know that the only place in the same Karlsson City (under which there are also mines for mining crystals and then turning them into energy) where there are no restrictions in food, water and energy is the elite neighbourhood of Kallista, where Karlsson Group executives, top managers and other such people live. The distribution of resources to the rest of the people (labourers and miners) follows strict rules set by the corporation itself.
The game mentions that miners (as opposed to mine guards) have to spend all their time in the mines, but we also know that many miners have families and even children. So it's not a "concentration camp (Nazi death camp) in its purest form" and all these people have something to hold on to and something to lose in one way or another. This is to the question of why their Masters have not yet been swept away here.
It is also mentioned in the game that children from ordinary (poor) families are taken away from their parents and given a good education and a chance to reach a higher social status than their parents had (remember Karlssom Academy Alumni with their classes for the rich/elite and classes for poor children)...
Anyway, we need more data about this world before we start making hasty conclusions or, even more so, contemptuously calling someone "biomass".
As for the dozens of drones and stuff - it's a similar situation here. I only cited a few lines from the game, but in the context of the global mine security setup, they don't mean much.
We've been hinted that KaneDom may yet have to go down to where the miners actually work (and no, I don't mean training a Wpod2 that obeys Kane). So for now, we don't know for certain what other facilities are being used at these sites. Who says there aren't equipped automated roadblocks with machine gun turrets in narrow mining tunnels? Who says there isn't a system for spraying poisonous (or soporific) gas that can cover huge underground workings and hypothetical rebels in a fairly short period of time.
Same goes for the chips implanted in the bodies of every slave, labourer, miner, low-level servant, etc. From what we have been shown, I can say that drones are not needed for instant remote activation of the chips. Moreover, such activation can also be mass activation. And I have a suspicion that the walls of the same JoyFacility or even the rocks of the mines under the main buildings are not an obstacle for these devices either. Remember how Kane, sitting in a separate undeground room (while testing the Wpod2 girls in the mines), remotely activated the girls' collars and not only them, hehe.
We don't know what kind of data transmission principle these chips use (it's simple radio waves, or perhaps some hidden and distributed island-wide system of secure repeaters operating on specific frequencies or some other wave principle used to transmit commands).
What we do know is that it would take a talented hacker of Nadia's calibre to hack into all those chips implanted in the miners' bodies to make the revolution possible. And since that's the case, it means that the system preventing possible miner revolts is doing its job so far and is quite reliable.
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That's what they have collars for
So all the drones and camera's, are actually perfectly optimal for their intended purpose.
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Hm, slight misundertanding here. I'm not including the society described in this game in the category of something that might work. For example providing food and shelter to miners within the mine itself would be logistical nightmare. Plus most of them would die from exposure to toxins. You'd spend more time hauling out corpses than minerals.
Training and then giving power to the people who hate them would be another reason the society wouldn't work. Empires recruited and deployed their auxiliary forces and institutions at their peripheries, not heartlands.
I get that this is part of a debate with someone else but out of interest, what's the moral distinction here? The game explicitly portrays non-main chars as naturally - not just politically/discursively - inferior to the main chars. You're down with exploring that concept, but calling them 'biomass' is off limits? Sorry, I just thought that was funny.
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Yet that's what actually happens....
I have to ask...have you actually played this ('and' digested the information given)? As Stan5851 pointed out, they do not leave the mines. Sure, the supervisors may get that 'privalige' (from time to time) but no one else does. Do you even recall the task Dominique gives you on her work placement and why?
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I find it absolutely hilarious how we as a community go full autist into every little detail of the story and the setting. I don't think I've seen it in any other thread here. I love it. Having said that, I'd recommend to not be too anal about it, or the setting might start falling apart.
For example, we've seen many yachts, helicopters, airplanes, cars, etc. To produce even one of those you need multiple factories with multiple production lines. Those factories need machinery of their own and spare parts, as well as a steady supply of power and raw materials (oil, steel, wood, plastic, glass, rubber). To get those you must have global trade, with reliable shipping of said materials at adequate prices. You also need many skilled workers at every stage of production.
Obviously, there's more than that, but my point is - such an economy is impossible in any sort of apocalyptic future (Metro 2033, Terminator, Mad Max, Last of Us, etc). Therefore, at some point we must suspend our disbelief and take the story setting for granted.
Which I do for KG. And the fact that rebellions are so rare tells me that the slaves are mostly content with their fate, they've accepted their position as worthless worms who lick the boots of their betters. So I'm not lifting a finger for them, because my Kane ain't a looser. Why should I respect those who don't even have respect for themselves? They are trash, worse than trash even, since they eat, shit and maybe even dare to think when the mood hits them. Unacceptable! Jules and me, we will devour them until we puke, and then devour some more. For that is their fate - to be a worthless toy at the mercy of their superiors.
For example, we've seen many yachts, helicopters, airplanes, cars, etc. To produce even one of those you need multiple factories with multiple production lines. Those factories need machinery of their own and spare parts, as well as a steady supply of power and raw materials (oil, steel, wood, plastic, glass, rubber). To get those you must have global trade, with reliable shipping of said materials at adequate prices. You also need many skilled workers at every stage of production.
Obviously, there's more than that, but my point is - such an economy is impossible in any sort of apocalyptic future (Metro 2033, Terminator, Mad Max, Last of Us, etc). Therefore, at some point we must suspend our disbelief and take the story setting for granted.
Which I do for KG. And the fact that rebellions are so rare tells me that the slaves are mostly content with their fate, they've accepted their position as worthless worms who lick the boots of their betters. So I'm not lifting a finger for them, because my Kane ain't a looser. Why should I respect those who don't even have respect for themselves? They are trash, worse than trash even, since they eat, shit and maybe even dare to think when the mood hits them. Unacceptable! Jules and me, we will devour them until we puke, and then devour some more. For that is their fate - to be a worthless toy at the mercy of their superiors.