VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2A Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Spfjolietjake]

I hate to ask but how the hell do you get "demon and demoness" path? When does the path start? I thought I had chosen every evil and dominate choice but I didn't get that path and I'm afraid I missed some content.

I don't really understand the walkthrough on it. So any help is appreciated. This is one of my main guilty pleasures vn.

Thanks in advance

 

[deuxrayme]

Hello forum, so far i only played routes where my mc is dom, and i wanna know if i miss important info if i dont play sub routes ?

Yes. I even play a sub route to get that information and I missed out on the reveal that Kane has a true sister whereas we know Olivia isn't it. Olivia can test Kane with a special Warden shock to determine if he is worthy of pursuing the future along with her. If you don't play every possible combination, you will miss something. Dom routes even can miss information: Good Olivia = Project N.O.A.H. and Evil Olivia = K1 killing. Junko romance = Kane's father's family name. Starting work day with Juliette instead of Veronica or Dominique = I think misses the information that Egypt in this game is the one in the Desert Stalker game. Passing Dominique's secret test = Kwame's wife shows up. I am not going to play every possible combo especially below K4, so I have to get what information is leaked here or open the script file and read around, but ain't nobody got time for that.

 

[gregers]

Hello forum, so far i only played routes where my mc is dom, and i wanna know if i miss important info if i dont play sub routes ?

Short answer, yes, looks like it.

Slightly longer answer: Some of the seemingly plot-essential information only becomes available on specific paths, e.g. in the latest update:


1) If Kane is on a good-ish dom track he may have a romance open with Junko, in which case he'll have a conversation with Otto that reveals something about his parents and the history of the Karlsson group.


2) If on the other hand Kane is on the sub track, the update opens with Olivia (and him) at a party where she can go through a series of rooms of increasing severity. If she goes to the most extreme of these, where slaves are killed for the mistresses' amusement, Kane will have a conversation with Phoebe revealing something about his siblings.


3) In the light of the above, some of the other things you may see in other rooms at that party can take on a new light.


So (1) is dom Kane with Junko romance only, (2) is sub Kane (with likely evil Olivia) only, (3) is sub Kane only.

I didn't see any of these on my own playthrough, for what it's worth. Maybe the same information will turn up later on on the other paths.

 

[gregers]

I hate to ask but how the hell do you get "demon and demoness" path? When does the path start? I thought I had chosen every evil and dominate choice but I didn't get that path and I'm afraid I missed some content.

I don't really understand the walkthrough on it. So any help is appreciated. This is one of my main guilty pleasures vn.

Thanks in advance

Both Kane and Olivia have to be willing and enthusiastic killers. But you need a significant chunk of sisevil points to unlock it, which is especially difficult to achieve if Kane is on the dom track as you'll get fewer opportunities for Olivia to make moral choices.

But Kane can only get the demon flag if he is on the dom path. Olivia can be a demoness on both tracks.

If Olivia has at least 12 sisevil points by the time the DeKocks arrive, she and Kane will visit the K1 facilities, where she gets to choose whether and how to execute an innocent man.

If Kane is on the dom track (so K5+), she'll ask his advice. If Kane advices killing the prisoner brutally, he gets demon; if Olivia has at least 7 sisgood points she'll show mercy, if she has 15 sisevil points she'll follow his advice and get demoness.

If Kane is on the sub track (K4 or less) he doesn't get a say and Olivia decides for herself.

Getting 15 sisevil points on a dom Kane playthrough is a lot. It certainly can't Edit, I should rephrase that: I'm not sure it can be done without choosing to fuck over Seth.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

Both Kane and Olivia have to be willing and enthusiastic killers. But you need a significant chunk of sisevil points to unlock it, which is especially difficult to achieve if Kane is on the dom track as you'll get fewer opportunities for Olivia to make moral choices.

But Kane can only get the demon flag if he is on the dom path. Olivia can be a demoness on both tracks.

If Olivia has at least 12 sisevil points by the time the DeKocks arrive, she and Kane will visit the K1 facilities, where she gets to choose whether and how to execute an innocent man.

If Kane is on the dom track (so K5+), she'll ask his advice. If Kane advices killing the prisoner brutally, he gets demon; if Olivia has at least 7 sisgood points she'll show mercy, if she has 15 sisevil points she'll follow his advice and get demoness.

If Kane is on the sub track (K4 or less) he doesn't get a say and Olivia decides for herself.

Getting 15 evil points on a dom Kane playthrough is a lot. It certainly can't be done without choosing to fuck over Seth.

Thank you so much. I appreciate the time and effort. It is also very understandable! I hopefully will be able to get them both that high.

 

[St1ffme1ster]

gregers and deuxrayme, thanks for your answers. I remember doing a sub route without a guide or wm, i played the first chapters and stopped there because i generally play like i am the mc and being submissive isnt my cup of tea.

 

[луна]

gregers and deuxrayme, thanks for your answers. I remember doing a sub route without a guide or wm, i played the first chapters and stopped there because i generally play like i am the mc and being submissive isnt my cup of tea.

The sub routes arent for everyone.

 

[Leo Humilis]

The sub routes arent for everyone.

Neither are dom routes, LOL. Personally, I cannot tolerate maledom in any form or shape.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

Both Kane and Olivia have to be willing and enthusiastic killers. But you need a significant chunk of sisevil points to unlock it, which is especially difficult to achieve if Kane is on the dom track as you'll get fewer opportunities for Olivia to make moral choices.

But Kane can only get the demon flag if he is on the dom path. Olivia can be a demoness on both tracks.

If Olivia has at least 12 sisevil points by the time the DeKocks arrive, she and Kane will visit the K1 facilities, where she gets to choose whether and how to execute an innocent man.

If Kane is on the dom track (so K5+), she'll ask his advice. If Kane advices killing the prisoner brutally, he gets demon; if Olivia has at least 7 sisgood points she'll show mercy, if she has 15 sisevil points she'll follow his advice and get demoness.

If Kane is on the sub track (K4 or less) he doesn't get a say and Olivia decides for herself.

Getting 15 sisevil points on a dom Kane playthrough is a lot. It certainly can't be done without choosing to fuck over Seth.

She was one point short and princess eyes was one point short. Thanks again

 

[ciberma7865]

I hate to ask but how the hell do you get "demon and demoness" path? When does the path start? I thought I had chosen every evil and dominate choice but I didn't get that path and I'm afraid I missed some content.

I don't really understand the walkthrough on it. So any help is appreciated. This is one of my main guilty pleasures vn.

Thanks in advance

when Olivia is asked to kill the K1 you have to chose the more evil choice and Olivia need to accept it (if you are full evil it shouldn't be a problem)

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Also fun fact for those not in the know already, the k1 prisoner you kill is Zach's beloved uncle. The male line in that familys dropping like flies

 

[Drunkz]

hi, why does Phoebe know Kane has a Sister (not Olivia)?

 

[Stan5851]

Yes. I even play a sub route to get that information and I missed out on the reveal that Kane has a true sister whereas we know Olivia isn't it. Olivia can test Kane with a special Warden shock to determine if he is worthy of pursuing the future along with her. If you don't play every possible combination, you will miss something. Dom routes even can miss information: Good Olivia = Project N.O.A.H. and Evil Olivia = K1 killing. Junko romance = Kane's father's family name. Starting work day with Juliette instead of Veronica or Dominique = I think misses the information that Egypt in this game is the one in the Desert Stalker game. Passing Dominique's secret test = Kwame's wife shows up. I am not going to play every possible combo especially below K4, so I have to get what information is leaked here or open the script file and read around, but ain't nobody got time for that.

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My main dom walkthrough involves sponsoring Veronica+Dominique, and I don't recall us being given information about the existence of Egypt from the "Desert Stalker". Perhaps I missed something. Where can I see this?

Hello forum, so far i only played routes where my mc is dom, and i wanna know if i miss important info if i dont play sub routes ?

deuxrayme and gregers gave pretty comprehensive info, but personally, as a dom player, I don't see the point in crawling on my knees the entire game to find out in a couple scenes of the last update that Kane has a sister from DeKock syndicate. After all, you can open the gallery in SanchoMod and rewind the red/black room sub-scenes to see those few lines of "revelations" about it.

But the information from Otto (GoodDom track + Junko romance open) is, in my opinion, much more important for understanding the big picture of what's going on and why the DeKock syndicate is ever trying to participate in this Gambit and claim anything at all. And I'm not even ruling out the possibility that the mysterious bracelet that was planted on Kane (in the case of certain choices) in the early KG episodes is the work of Delilah, who did it on direct orders from Cynthia DeKock. And Elena/sisters Karlsson or ever Callista Gambit Queen in general may well have had nothing to do with it.

So my advice to you is to play it the way you like. And if you don't like something, there's not much point in "stepping on your own throat" for a hint or two. One day there will come a moment of truth, and I'm sure that at some point in the game any Kane (Dom or Sub) will know all the key information needed to make further decisions. And it will likely be done in one of the global story scenes that both Dom and Sub players automatically see (such as Gambit Queen conversations with the "ninjas").

 

[DoverDad]

Did anyone else feel let down with the w pod?

 

[Pdiant]

There is some. The female player character ('Olivia') can get busy with various other characters, especially if you play the male player character ('Kane') as a sub. Olivia starts at the top of the pile, Kane at the bottom, and you'll get a choice early on if Olivia prefers to have only male subs/slaves surrounding her or if she'd like some women to play with as well.

A lot of Olivia and Kane's scenes early on are nothing to do with each other, but by the end of current content you can get some scenes closer to 'ntr'/cucking between them if that's your preference. If you play Kane as dominant you'll also get the choice for him to take part in cucking someone else.

But note that the game is heavily bdsm-focused, so many of the scenes are more about dominance than just fucking.

Thanks for the answer. If you play as a sub it means the male character will behave as a sub in general or just with this Olivia? I may be a girl but when I play, even as a male character, I don't like to be an underdog, so I can tolerate as much as it's required to get these ntr scenes with Olivia, but not as a general behaviour throughout the whole game. And is Olivia then the only female that gets laid with other male partners? Thank you once again for your patience and willingness to help.

 

[Stan5851]

Did anyone else feel let down with the w pod?

It seemed to me that Kane Dom had very little direct interaction with the w pod girls. Everything was too short, superficial, and rather vanilla. The scene in the mines would have made sense if we had been shown right away what was coming next. Someone wrote here suggesting that the w2 pod story would last until the end of the entire game. If that's the case, then perhaps not all is lost yet.

Tess once wrote on discord that if she only did one game, not doing the main business, she could do about 2,000 renders in 2 months. As a matter of fact, there's the answer to your question. Too many events to implement, but too slow a pace to work on the game. And the planned ~1500 renders over the next 4 months for the first part of Ch8 doesn't seem too encouraging to me. And it remains to be seen how long after part 1 of ch8 we will wait for part 2. If it's another 4 months, it will be an epic fail (with all due respect to Tess' talent).

 

[gregers]

My main dom walkthrough involves sponsoring Veronica+Dominique, and I don't recall us being given information about the existence of Egypt from the "Desert Stalker". Perhaps I missed something. Where can I see this?

The sisters' company briefing vary in detail, from Juliette's highly superficial, to Dominique's accurate but general, to Veronica's very specific. Dominique is the one who makes the explicit Desert Stalker reference:

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In any case it's just a small nod to the game, nothing suggests it'll have any further relevance beyond the easter egg.

Thanks for the answer. If you play as a sub it means the male character will behave as a sub in general or just with this Olivia? I may be a girl but when I play, even as a male character, I don't like to be an underdog, so I can tolerate as much as it's required to get these ntr scenes with Olivia, but not as a general behaviour throughout the whole game. And is Olivia then the only female that gets laid with other male partners? Thank you once again for your patience and willingness to help.

Kane starts out as a slave, but can rise in the ranks quickly if you choose. If you play him as dominant he'll suffer little in the way of actual abuse and get the occasional chance to do a little abusin' hisself, but for now he's still below many of the women in the hierarchy, Olivia included. The setting is femdom-heavy: The company is run by a cabal of very powerful and mostly sadistic women, whom Olivia joins, and they take their pleasure where they like.

Some scenes can be avoided or skipped, but you will see scenes of mostly abuse, including forced body worship and such, involving other characters.

Keep in mind that Olivia and Kane begin the game as brother and sister (or so they think), and the dev does not do sibling incest, so any sexual relationship between them would require a significant chunk of plot development.

 

[Pdiant]

The sisters' company briefing vary in detail, from Juliette's highly superficial, to Dominique's accurate but general, to Veronica's very specific. Dominique is the one who makes the explicit Desert Stalker reference:

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In any case it's just a small nod to the game, nothing suggests it'll have any further relevance beyond the easter egg.



Kane starts out as a slave, but can rise in the ranks quickly if you choose. If you play him as dominant he'll suffer little in the way of actual abuse and get the occasional chance to do a little abusin' hisself, but for now he's still below many of the women in the hierarchy, Olivia included. The setting is femdom-heavy: The company is run by a cabal of very powerful and mostly sadistic women, whom Olivia joins, and they take their pleasure where they like.

Some scenes can be avoided or skipped, but you will see scenes of mostly abuse, including forced body worship and such, involving other characters.

Thank you, but then the scenes you mentioned with Olivia and the male slaves are actually sex scenes with penetration, or just abuse, humiliation and so on? If it's only the latter, then I guess this game it's not for me. Can you please clear this up for me? Thanks

 

[vogelbeest]

And I'm not even ruling out the possibility that the mysterious bracelet that was planted on Kane (in the case of certain choices) in the early KG episodes is the work of Delilah

So what's the importance of a similar bracelet being worn by young Veronica when Kane meets her in that park?
Personally i think Delilah just as (most of) the Karlson sisters will only have limited knowledge about the Gambit, if at all. The players that were there when that plan was made are the older generation. Alexander Karlson may have been influenced by Calista perhaps they even planned it together, but most others at that time probably will have been excluded from any knowledge to the plan. The Gambit Queen (Calista?) seems the one besides Alexander himself that knows everything.
The link with the DeKock family and the Gambit seems to go through the 2 masked companions (Calista's sisters perhaps?)
It makes no sense the bracelet was placed by Delilah and then given to her sister to hack... Neither of them has the power nor the knowledge of the Gambit to pull that off. The DeKock mother could be in on it to a certain degree but even she lacks the power inside the Karlson empire...

 

[gregers]

Thank you, but then the scenes you mentioned with Olivia and the male slaves are actually sex scenes with penetration, or just abuse, humiliation and so on?

I don't know about Kane's sub track, there may be one or two towards the end of current content (there's certainly a scene with her pegging a guy), but on the dom track, I can't remember any penetrative sex scenes with Olivia yet.

In general, there's not much vanilla penis-in-vagina sex in this game (although Kane does get his dick wet now and then on the dom track). Most of the content has a ... different flavour. It's not an NTR-focused game. If that's not for you, that's cool.