VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[PickerLewd]

Sub Kane could be justified in the beginning, he knows he's being held illegally, I think he's been tortured from time to time and let's say he falls into Elena's trap to get out of there quickly, of course with time everything gets worse and it was better to stay in prison for a few more years.

Calista is good, but she's done more to prepare Olivia for the impending danger than her sons, and if my mother faked her death only to reappear a few years later, I don't know how I'd react, but I think it would be with anger .

 

[Nifferman]

I will figure out how to write my posts myself, I don't need your help. And your childish grudges against Callista are ridiculous, as I've written about many times. The fact that subKane is an idiot who decided to cave in and become a lowly worm has only himself to blame. On the other hand, I emphasize the original nature of Kane, who was never inclined to be submissive and believe (not unreasonably) that Sub route is an artificial construct. There was a lot of discussion of this topic here at one time, you should remember that.

All we know from all the game history available to us is that Callista was a good mother and did her best to raise and educate Kane and Olivia (everything else is your fantasy). So she can't be bad by default. Or do you think she trained Kane from childhood to crawl on the floor and grovel before sadistic bitches? (lol). No, Kane prs in a normal atmosphere and grew up a well-educated, thinking and confident guy who loves his family and is willing to protect them, which he did by standing up for Seth. So there are more questions to Tess herself, why all of a sudden a confident and even tough guy (not tortured and starved) suddenly decided to play submissive (at the player's will), which didn't fit his nature at all.

Maybe think it has a subconscious suppressed one's self. Or think of it in an other way....maybe Kane was tortured enough so he bend towards Elena's will just to escape more torture.

 

[Stan5851]

Sub Kane could be justified in the beginning, he knows he's being held illegally, I think he's been tortured from time to time and let's say he falls into Elena's trap to get out of there quickly, of course with time everything gets worse and it was better to stay in prison for a few more years.

Calista is good, but she's done more to prepare Olivia for the impending danger than her sons, and if my mother faked her death only to reappear a few years later, I don't know how I'd react, but I think it would be with anger .

First, we don't know anything about torture or that Kane was allegedly starved..... Kane looks overgrown, maybe he should wash his hair, but he doesn't look like a victim being hunted in prison. And the only torture (with death) we are shown is when Kane gets angry and asks for the inmate who attacked him to be punished.

As for Callista preparing Olivia better than she was able to prepare Kane, that's not entirely true.

We have to remember one simple thing - Kane is not Karlsson, and as much as Callista prepared him, she realized that he and Olivia's path to the top would start from very different positions. Simply because he's a Jacobs (son of the disgraced Cole) and not a member of the royal family who owns everything. Yes, Kane has “unique blood” and great genetics, but he still had to start from scratch. However, already (after only 8 days since the whole story started) our KaneDom is one step away from M-rank, which is a pass to the Z+ elite.

...Okay, it's time for my KaneDom to go on a picnic, my Bugatti Veyron is already warmed up, with hot and submissive chicks waiting in the salon, so it's time to fun..

"Ugh, what a bad mother Callista, leaving her own son to bask in luxury and comfort, dominate submissive slave girls and fuck most of the elite and beautiful sadistic bitches...Will definitely blame her for this as soon as I see her! How could you raise me like this, mom?!"

 

[Sharpshooter890]

Kane prs in a normal atmosphere and grew up a well-educated, thinking and confident guy who loves his family

Spoiler: Here's why he's not a character and Callista is a terrible mother

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[MilesEdgeworth]

Offered to do some sig images for Silver_Crow117 and with his permission he said I could post them here. Also did a few others while I was at it, so hope you enjoy.

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Im sensing a theme here. Great signatures

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I will figure out how to write my posts myself, I don't need your help. And your childish grudges against Callista are ridiculous, as I've written about many times. The fact that subKane is an idiot who decided to cave in and become a lowly worm has only himself to blame. On the other hand, I emphasize the original nature of Kane, who was never inclined to be submissive and believe (not unreasonably) that Sub route is an artificial construct. There was a lot of discussion of this topic here at one time, you should remember that.

All we know from all the game history available to us is that Callista was a good mother and did her best to raise and educate Kane and Olivia (everything else is your fantasy). So she can't be bad by default. Or do you think she trained Kane from childhood to crawl on the floor and grovel before sadistic bitches? (lol). No, Kane lived in a normal atmosphere and grew up a well-educated, thinking and confident guy who loves his family and is willing to protect them, which he did by standing up for Seth. So there are more questions to Tess herself, why all of a sudden a confident and even tough guy (not tortured and starved) suddenly decided to play submissive (at the player's will), which didn't fit his nature at all.

Yea, no. Like I said, if you're going to take shots at me for your shitty choices, then at least have the decency to quote me; if not, you're about as craven as Callista.

That bitch put her son in a situation that could very well get him killed and didn't even have the decency to properly prepare him for what was about to happen to him. Hell, regardless of which Kane one chooses to play as she didn't even have the decency to tell him who his father was. Imagine pretending that someone who put her son in a life-or-death game without even asking him is a good mother.
I look forward to her dumb ass getting precisely what's coming to her when Kane comes into power.

 

[PickerLewd]

Hey Sharpshooter890, KotoR 1 or KotoR 2?

 

[Sharpshooter890]

Hey Sharpshooter890, KotoR 1 or KotoR 2?

The first one, naturally. Although i love how the devs incorporated you gaining exp from killing people into the story in the second one. They are both great games.

 

[Maviarab]

Nurse Reyes is awesome

That we can all agree on!

I think he's been tortured from time to time

Nope..no suggestion of that at all. Quite the opposite in fact (as confirmed in game dialogue). Kane ws treated very well in prison (even had is own cell remember) and we know why he was treated well. Yes, he was stitched up...but they didn't want any harm coming to him.

Hey Sharpshooter890, KotoR 1 or KotoR 2?

2...always...always 2.

 

[Stan5851]

Yea, no. Like I said, if you're going to take shots at me for your shitty choices, then at least have the decency to quote me; if not, you're about as craven as Callista.

That bitch put her son in a situation that could very well get him killed and didn't even have the decency to properly prepare him for what was about to happen to him. Hell, regardless of which Kane one chooses to play as she didn't even have the decency to tell him who his father was. Imagine pretending that someone who put her son in a life-or-death game without even asking him is a good mother.
I look forward to her dumb ass getting precisely what's coming to her when Kane comes into power.

It's very sad that you still haven't learned how to use notifications (a regular forum feature) and in order to see my post in response to your post, you need me to quote your (@) nickname separately. Quoting your nickname is purely optional, it's enough that I quoted your post.

As for Callista, it's not that simple.

Neither you nor I fully know all the reasons why she had to do exactly that, without letting Kane know everything he could expect in JoyFacility. I'm sure her full motives and why she withheld certain things from Kane will be explained at the next time the son and mother meet. But for now what we do know is that she simply had no choice but to risk everything, yet that hasn't stopped you from accusing her of all the deadly sins. Callista also hid some key things from Olivia (like who her mother really is) and there was a reason for that too - the harsh conditions of the Gambit.

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I hope you also haven't forgotten that Callista is the GambitQueen, not just a mother who can do as she pleases. It's a long game of chess that can only be won by acting according to the Rules, and that's the only way Kane, Seth and Olivia have a chance to win. Thus, Callista watches over her children, but does so carefully in order to honor the terms of the Gambit and not deny them a chance to win.

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And this “harshly and fairly” is the only chance for victory in Gambit, there will be no other. Callista uses all the tools at her disposal to lead her children to victory, (provided, of course, that they show at least a minimum of responsibility and sanity, show willpower and don't grovel before sadistic bitches).

But she can't tell them everything, and she can't kick down the door to the Board and declare that Kane and Seth are in charge now...That's why Callista is forced to act with other people's hands and influence events in JoyFacility, remaining (until recently) hidden from everyone, except for “ninjas” Veronica and Alessandra(?).

You are an intelligent person and should realize that our Karlson's Gambit is a very deep game with a lot of secrets, multi-way plans and understatements, many of which we still don't know. And looking at it all through the prism of “my ‘evil’ mom didn't tell me everything and left me alone with the evil sadistic bitches” is too superficial, and you'll see that very soon. Just give Tess some time.

 

[StrawberryCheese83]

If i would rule the Karlsson Company....i would be kind to my subjects....at first....

 

[Silver_Crow117]

I will figure out how to write my posts myself, I don't need your help. And your childish grudges against Callista are ridiculous, as I've written about many times. The fact that subKane is an idiot who decided to cave in and become a lowly worm has only himself to blame. On the other hand, I emphasize the original nature of Kane, who was never inclined to be submissive and believe (not unreasonably) that Sub route is an artificial construct. There was a lot of discussion of this topic here at one time, you should remember that.

All we know from all the game history available to us is that Callista was a good mother and did her best to raise and educate Kane and Olivia (everything else is your fantasy). So she can't be bad by default. Or do you think she trained Kane from childhood to crawl on the floor and grovel before sadistic bitches? (lol). No, Kane lived in a normal atmosphere and grew up a well-educated, thinking and confident guy who loves his family and is willing to protect them, which he did by standing up for Seth. So there are more questions to Tess herself, why all of a sudden a confident and even tough guy (not tortured and starved) suddenly decided to play submissive (at the player's will), which didn't fit his nature at all.

First off, we never knew the “original nature” of Kane, that’s why in the beginning of the game, we have the option to choose what type of individual he will be: Good, Evil , Dom, Sub… I thought that was self explanatory… in my point of bias, I can say that the dom route is an artificial construct, and was never inclined to be dominant…

For all we know, Kane grew up normally yes, but when facing a situation in which was forced onto him, we don’t know how he would react, yes he has some core values of caring for his family, like most people do… except for a lot of the Karlsson sister lmaoOo but saying that he’s a “confident, tough guy” has no basis in origin.. this is why when “Us” the player are put into the body of Kane, we have the determination of how to react to the sudden situation at hand in which, we control what’s canon or not… Callista didn’t train Kane how to crawl and be pathetic (that comes naturally ) but she also didn’t tell Kane to Whip females and torture them! It’s all about how you the player wants to shape Kane during this period of his life in which will shape him to be who he is in the future…

Obviously Callista kept Kane (at least) in the dark because of past conflict with the Karlsson and she thought wrongly of keeping it a secret from Kane, in which I can see kinda why she might be ashamed with the whole situation but at the same time, she was obviously trying to hide him from the Karlsson and if she told him about the whole ordeal, Kane probably would’ve gone looking for answers in which would cause the whole situation he finds himself anyways… (it’s like one of those events that you can’t change nor escape from! Hahaha like a time traveling movie)

Clearly Kane wasn’t trained nor informed Because of the preset values of what Alexander was looking for, The Sperm/Genetic code on wanting a Male Heir of the Karlsson Group, in Which by bad judgement in my Opinion, Callista didn’t tell Kane about But decided to try and hid him from the inevitable… Callista did give some information and training of some kind to Olivia but never had given her the full truth/story of why… now don’t I like how Callista has operated? No but I can see why she did it… not every parent is perfect and clearly Callista thinks she can outsmart anyone and when you think your that intelligent, you tend to miss out on important values/aspects of life around you and of others…
Obviously I could go into Olivia and her.. ordeal but it’s kinda like Kane except they started at different points in the race but she was given the cheat code before the game even started… hahaha

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[PickerLewd]

2...always...always 2.

A friend offered to give me a KotOR game (which I've never played), Sharpshooter recommends the first and you recommend the second (you're a Sith at heart), so I demand to get both .

 

[Maviarab]

This has always been a divisive subject and I think most of us regulars know each others pov's, however, interesting if/for new people read this stuff so:

First off, we never knew the “original nature” of Kane, that’s why in the beginning of the game, we have the option to choose what type of individual he will be: Good, Evil , Dom, Sub… I thought that was self explanatory… in my point of bias, I can say that the dom route is an artificial construct, and was never inclined to be dominant…

Yes...we do really. There are flashbacks which show how Kane reacts, how he talks, how he 'is'....and sorry Silver, I love you man, but he ain't submissive by nature. That's player choice. I'll say it again, yes Tess, like myself, is a Dom...but this story is not a femdom story at heart and at it's core, it's been turned into one. It's a false fallacy. A very well done one yes...but not the default. Please don't be angry.

For all we know, Kane grew up normally yes, but when facing a situation in which was forced onto him, we don’t know how he would react,

Again, yes we do...the Seth incident is proof of that. No supposition, no opinion, no rose-tinted....plain facts presented in the story which cannot be argued with or refuted.

Clearly Kane wasn’t trained nor informed Because of the preset values of what Alexander was looking for, The Sperm/Genetic code on wanting a Male Heir of the Karlsson Group, in Which by bad judgement in my Opinion, Callista didn’t tell Kane about But decided to try and hid him from the inevitable…

Agree completely with that.

Callista did give some information and training of some kind to Olivia but never had given her the full truth/story of why…

Careful...wandering dangerously into the realms of stating facts when they are not. It still remains to be clarified....exactly what Olvia was told/knows and by whom. Once again, when discussing, be clear with facts...as presented in the story...and what are our assumptions and opinions. I still believe (until proven otherwise in the story) Olivia knows far...far more than we are aware of as the player. I still also believe she knew about all the sisters (suggest re-reading the conversation at the helicopter with Caliista) and still believe she met Alexander.

A friend offered to give me a KotOR game (which I've never played), Sharpshooter recommends the first and you recommend the second (you're a Sith at heart), so I demand to get both .

The first is a great game..however, the second is superior in writing, story, characters and gameplay.


Also, as a final thought, this is a great thread, let's keep it civil guys

 

[PickerLewd]

Well, I think like Astrid and wonder why they should play the ridiculous game of old and dead Alexander when he is no longer alive to reinforce it.

Of course we'd run out of story, so I'm glad it's the way it is .

 

[Silver_Crow117]

This has always been a divisive subject and I think most of us regulars knpow each others pov's, however, interesting if new people read this stuff so:


Yes...we do really. There are flashbacks which show how Kane reacts, how he talks, how he 'is'....and sorry Silver, I love you mabn, but he ain;t submissive by nature. That's player choice. I'll saiy it again, yes Tess, like myself, is a Dom...but this story is not a femdom story at heart and at it's core, it's been turned into one. It's a false fallacy. A very well done yes...but not the default. Please don't be angry.

Again, yes we do...the Seth incident is proof of that. No supposition, no opinion, no rose-tinted....plain facts presented in the story which cannot be argued with or refuted.

Agree completely with that.

Careful...wandering dangerously into the realms of stating facts when they are options. It still remains to be clarified....exactly what Olvia was told/knows and by whom. Once again, wehn discussing, be clear with facts...as presented in the story...and what are our assumptions and opinions. I still believe (untuil proven otherwise in the story) Olivia knows far...far more than we are aware of as the player. I still also believe she knew about all the sisters (suggest re-reading the conversation at the helicopter with Caliista) and still believe she met Alexander.

Also, as a final thought, this is a great thread, let's keep it civil guys

It doesn’t show he’s dominant either, the flashbacks just show of him talking normally, not any other point of reference shows him of being dominant nor submissive In nature… it just shows him as an average person in those specific situations at hand. Even more, the drastic situation that he finds himself in and how he’s gotten up to the point of the player taking control, brings things outta people in which they never knew they had… obviously it’s the player choice on how to react to that situation because in real life, that’s what happens… people react/handle things differently

and about Seth, it shows he’s caring of him and protective of him, that’s not a dominant. Nor a submissive mindset, that’s just a naturalistic emotion, when you’ve known for someone for so long and it’s “family…

and yes Tess is a Dom, that doesn’t negate the fact of what she’s building… her main priority of Karlsson Gambit is to have the player make the decision of what Kane’s story is and the characters around him.. that’s the core values of what Miss Tess holds of the game, it’s built from that and that’s what’s she’s told me with the references she’s got from Miss Anais and games such as Mass effect and Dragon Age (older ones lol) it didn’t start out as a dom story, nor a submissive one…

and for Olivia, she doesn’t have all the facts, was she told something and trained in something’s, possibly yes, but for right now we’re on the cusp of Hypotheticals here until more information is given to us so at that conjecture it’s pointless to argue it

 

[Nifferman]

A friend offered to give me a KotOR game (which I've never played), Sharpshooter recommends the first and you recommend the second (you're a Sith at heart), so I demand to get both .

One is better than 2. But, that doesn't mean 2 is bad. Ps just don't forget to install the fan patches and bug fixes

 

[Stan5851]

Callista is the Gambit Queen, and this is no longer our speculation, but official information. And it shouldn't be a secret to you if you've played Ep8 pt1. Tess even named the Ep8 pt1 after her.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

A friend offered to give me a KotOR game (which I've never played), Sharpshooter recommends the first and you recommend the second (you're a Sith at heart), so I demand to get both .

I wish they made games like Kotor more… wish games in general were better… tho I did here that path of exile 2 is really good if your into ARPGs

 

[motseer]

For all we know, Kane grew up normally yes, but when facing a situation in which was forced onto him, we don’t know how he would react...

I was steering clear of this conversation but, you hooked me a bit on this one statement. One of the reasons that I consider KG to be one of the two best written AVN's on this site has nothing to do with dom/sub, kink/genre. What I like most about Tess' story is that I do know how Kane will react. My Kane reacts the way I want him to and yours reacts the way you want him too; and best of all, they may be totally different people... Jus' Sayin'