Silver_Crow117

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On the Dom route my “gray” good Kane wouldn't corrupt Claudia because there are already too many sadistic bitches around, some of whom have hands up to their elbows in blood. At least let there be someone relatively sinless.
Yeah ofc I’ll have a playthrough where I’ll keep her good, but I kinda want to see how far she can fall… most likely to Celeste lvls maybe…:devilish: :sneaky:
 
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My words are more addressed to the Veronica and Callista haters club who can't stop whining about how "bad" they are.
That's because they are! It's not a conspiracy if 'they' really are watching you.
At least let there be someone relatively sinless.
I think you meant to say spineless. Mercy is a weakness that your enemies will no doubt exploit. To me, the world of KG is very similar to the Sith Academy on Korriban (from KotoR). If you want to survive, you must be willing to step over the bodies of you fellow students ('prisoners' in KG) and ultimately kill the leadership and take over the Sith. Social darwinism at its finest - the stong soar while the weak serve them. A power fantasy at its finest.
 
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Stan5851

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I think you meant to say spineless. Mercy is a weakness that your enemies will no doubt exploit. To me, the world of KG is very similar to the Sith Academy on Korriban (from KotoR). If you want to survive, you must be willing to step over the bodies of you fellow students ('prisoners' in KG) and ultimately kill the leadership and take over the Sith. Social darwinism at its finest - the stong soar while the weak serve them. A power fantasy at its finest.
Claudia is not my enemy. My enemy is a few sadistic bitches who think they're the crown of creation. Well, I'll have to disappoint them and show them where they belong. Sure, there will be inevitable losses and difficult moral choices along the way to true power, but I'll still try to fix this broken world and make it a little more just and humane. Some people tend to mistake kindness for weakness, but that's not true, and “goodness can come with fists".And that's exactly what my “gray” good Kane will try to bring to life.
 

MilesEdgeworth

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I just realized that some of us never managed to stop whining and complaining.
did you just realize that you killed your own point by bitching about my complaining on a messageboard? Don't blame me cuz you like shitty characters.
Also, don't be a Callista, if you have something to say to me either quote me or @ me.
 

Stan5851

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did you just realize that you killed your own point by bitching about my complaining on a messageboard? Don't blame me cuz you like shitty characters.
Also, don't be a Callista, if you have something to say to me either quote me or @ me.
I will figure out how to write my posts myself, I don't need your help. And your childish grudges against Callista are ridiculous, as I've written about many times. The fact that subKane is an idiot who decided to cave in and become a lowly worm has only himself to blame. On the other hand, I emphasize the original nature of Kane, who was never inclined to be submissive and believe (not unreasonably) that Sub route is an artificial construct. There was a lot of discussion of this topic here at one time, you should remember that.

All we know from all the game history available to us is that Callista was a good mother and did her best to raise and educate Kane and Olivia (everything else is your fantasy). So she can't be bad by default. Or do you think she trained Kane from childhood to crawl on the floor and grovel before sadistic bitches? (lol). No, Kane lived in a normal atmosphere and grew up a well-educated, thinking and confident guy who loves his family and is willing to protect them, which he did by standing up for Seth. So there are more questions to Tess herself, why all of a sudden a confident and even tough guy (not tortured and starved) suddenly decided to play submissive (at the player's will), which didn't fit his nature at all.
 
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Sub Kane could be justified in the beginning, he knows he's being held illegally, I think he's been tortured from time to time and let's say he falls into Elena's trap to get out of there quickly, of course with time everything gets worse and it was better to stay in prison for a few more years.

Calista is good, but she's done more to prepare Olivia for the impending danger than her sons, and if my mother faked her death only to reappear a few years later, I don't know how I'd react, but I think it would be with anger :unsure:.
 

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I will figure out how to write my posts myself, I don't need your help. And your childish grudges against Callista are ridiculous, as I've written about many times. The fact that subKane is an idiot who decided to cave in and become a lowly worm has only himself to blame. On the other hand, I emphasize the original nature of Kane, who was never inclined to be submissive and believe (not unreasonably) that Sub route is an artificial construct. There was a lot of discussion of this topic here at one time, you should remember that.

All we know from all the game history available to us is that Callista was a good mother and did her best to raise and educate Kane and Olivia (everything else is your fantasy). So she can't be bad by default. Or do you think she trained Kane from childhood to crawl on the floor and grovel before sadistic bitches? (lol). No, Kane prs in a normal atmosphere and grew up a well-educated, thinking and confident guy who loves his family and is willing to protect them, which he did by standing up for Seth. So there are more questions to Tess herself, why all of a sudden a confident and even tough guy (not tortured and starved) suddenly decided to play submissive (at the player's will), which didn't fit his nature at all.
Maybe think it has a subconscious suppressed one's self. Or think of it in an other way....maybe Kane was tortured enough so he bend towards Elena's will just to escape more torture.
 

Stan5851

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Sub Kane could be justified in the beginning, he knows he's being held illegally, I think he's been tortured from time to time and let's say he falls into Elena's trap to get out of there quickly, of course with time everything gets worse and it was better to stay in prison for a few more years.

Calista is good, but she's done more to prepare Olivia for the impending danger than her sons, and if my mother faked her death only to reappear a few years later, I don't know how I'd react, but I think it would be with anger :unsure:.
First, we don't know anything about torture or that Kane was allegedly starved..... Kane looks overgrown, maybe he should wash his hair, but he doesn't look like a victim being hunted in prison. And the only torture (with death) we are shown is when Kane gets angry and asks for the inmate who attacked him to be punished.

As for Callista preparing Olivia better than she was able to prepare Kane, that's not entirely true.

We have to remember one simple thing - Kane is not Karlsson, and as much as Callista prepared him, she realized that he and Olivia's path to the top would start from very different positions. Simply because he's a Jacobs (son of the disgraced Cole) and not a member of the royal family who owns everything. Yes, Kane has “unique blood” and great genetics, but he still had to start from scratch. However, already (after only 8 days since the whole story started) our KaneDom is one step away from M-rank, which is a pass to the Z+ elite.

...Okay, it's time for my KaneDom to go on a picnic, my Bugatti Veyron is already warmed up, with hot and submissive chicks waiting in the salon, so it's time to fun..

"Ugh, what a bad mother Callista, leaving her own son to bask in luxury and comfort, dominate submissive slave girls and fuck most of the elite and beautiful sadistic bitches...Will definitely blame her for this as soon as I see her! How could you raise me like this, mom?!"
 
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MilesEdgeworth

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I will figure out how to write my posts myself, I don't need your help. And your childish grudges against Callista are ridiculous, as I've written about many times. The fact that subKane is an idiot who decided to cave in and become a lowly worm has only himself to blame. On the other hand, I emphasize the original nature of Kane, who was never inclined to be submissive and believe (not unreasonably) that Sub route is an artificial construct. There was a lot of discussion of this topic here at one time, you should remember that.

All we know from all the game history available to us is that Callista was a good mother and did her best to raise and educate Kane and Olivia (everything else is your fantasy). So she can't be bad by default. Or do you think she trained Kane from childhood to crawl on the floor and grovel before sadistic bitches? (lol). No, Kane lived in a normal atmosphere and grew up a well-educated, thinking and confident guy who loves his family and is willing to protect them, which he did by standing up for Seth. So there are more questions to Tess herself, why all of a sudden a confident and even tough guy (not tortured and starved) suddenly decided to play submissive (at the player's will), which didn't fit his nature at all.
Yea, no. Like I said, if you're going to take shots at me for your shitty choices, then at least have the decency to quote me; if not, you're about as craven as Callista.

That bitch put her son in a situation that could very well get him killed and didn't even have the decency to properly prepare him for what was about to happen to him. Hell, regardless of which Kane one chooses to play as she didn't even have the decency to tell him who his father was. Imagine pretending that someone who put her son in a life-or-death game without even asking him is a good mother.
I look forward to her dumb ass getting precisely what's coming to her when Kane comes into power.
 

Maviarab

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Nurse Reyes is awesome
That we can all agree on!
I think he's been tortured from time to time
Nope..no suggestion of that at all. Quite the opposite in fact (as confirmed in game dialogue). Kane ws treated very well in prison (even had is own cell remember) and we know why he was treated well. Yes, he was stitched up...but they didn't want any harm coming to him.
Hey Sharpshooter890, KotoR 1 or KotoR 2?
2...always...always 2.
 
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Stan5851

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Yea, no. Like I said, if you're going to take shots at me for your shitty choices, then at least have the decency to quote me; if not, you're about as craven as Callista.

That bitch put her son in a situation that could very well get him killed and didn't even have the decency to properly prepare him for what was about to happen to him. Hell, regardless of which Kane one chooses to play as she didn't even have the decency to tell him who his father was. Imagine pretending that someone who put her son in a life-or-death game without even asking him is a good mother.
I look forward to her dumb ass getting precisely what's coming to her when Kane comes into power.

It's very sad that you still haven't learned how to use notifications (a regular forum feature) and in order to see my post in response to your post, you need me to quote your (@) nickname separately. Quoting your nickname is purely optional, it's enough that I quoted your post.

As for Callista, it's not that simple.

Neither you nor I fully know all the reasons why she had to do exactly that, without letting Kane know everything he could expect in JoyFacility. I'm sure her full motives and why she withheld certain things from Kane will be explained at the next time the son and mother meet. But for now what we do know is that she simply had no choice but to risk everything, yet that hasn't stopped you from accusing her of all the deadly sins. Callista also hid some key things from Olivia (like who her mother really is) and there was a reason for that too - the harsh conditions of the Gambit.

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I hope you also haven't forgotten that Callista is the GambitQueen, not just a mother who can do as she pleases. It's a long game of chess that can only be won by acting according to the Rules, and that's the only way Kane, Seth and Olivia have a chance to win. Thus, Callista watches over her children, but does so carefully in order to honor the terms of the Gambit and not deny them a chance to win.

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And this “harshly and fairly” is the only chance for victory in Gambit, there will be no other. Callista uses all the tools at her disposal to lead her children to victory, (provided, of course, that they show at least a minimum of responsibility and sanity, show willpower and don't grovel before sadistic bitches).

But she can't tell them everything, and she can't kick down the door to the Board and declare that Kane and Seth are in charge now...That's why Callista is forced to act with other people's hands and influence events in JoyFacility, remaining (until recently) hidden from everyone, except for “ninjas” Veronica and Alessandra(?).

You are an intelligent person and should realize that our Karlson's Gambit is a very deep game with a lot of secrets, multi-way plans and understatements, many of which we still don't know. And looking at it all through the prism of “my ‘evil’ mom didn't tell me everything and left me alone with the evil sadistic bitches” is too superficial, and you'll see that very soon. Just give Tess some time.
 
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