VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Stan5851]

I just finished the chap7 and begun the 8. I had a glance at the 8th's walkthrough, there's a dom secret sub path, or some such name?! I'm K9, MC and FC mostly good. Does any of you know what it is?
This time I used sancho mod, it's great! Really useful to remember the protagonist, paths etc. Does his mod work for 8.2, I'm playing 8.1.

This is the so-called Secret Sub route. More information about it can be found in the official walkthrough linked in the OP.

If you are a pure Dom player and don't like sub content (in any form), this route is best avoided.

 

[Brandu33]

Thanks for your answers guys! I played it as a survival post apo game, ended-up k6 good, and then replayed it from scratched with sancho mod on. I don't mind seeing the sub scene, especially since they're important story-wise, I'm even dumbfounded that she needs to advert such scenes, it's a world lead by sadistic women there cannot be no sub scenes, and what would be the point of not seeing them especially since two of the three I saw so far contain information?
Anyway it's my view of it.
I don't think that I'll replay the game, not that it's not great, it is, just because I don't see myself following any other path that the one I'm comfortable with, (AKA imagining myself as a man trying to survive a hellish situation while keeping as much as his soul as possible, and I appreciate that the author's work allow me to do so).

 

[mytest111]

Thinking of starting a new playthrough. Is it possible to win the game as an evil dom without MC or Olivia murdering anyone and not losing too much scenes in the processes?

 

[Stan5851]

Thanks for your answers guys! I played it as a survival post apo game, ended-up k6 good, and then replayed it from scratched with sancho mod on. I don't mind seeing the sub scene, especially since they're important story-wise, I'm even dumbfounded that she needs to advert such scenes, it's a world lead by sadistic women there cannot be no sub scenes, and what would be the point of not seeing them especially since two of the three I saw so far contain information?
Anyway it's my view of it.
I don't think that I'll replay the game, not that it's not great, it is, just because I don't see myself following any other path that the one I'm comfortable with, (AKA imagining myself as a man trying to survive a hellish situation while keeping as much as his soul as possible, and I appreciate that the author's work allow me to do so).

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[Maviarab]

Thinking of starting a new playthrough. Is it possible to win the game as an evil dom without MC or Olivia murdering anyone and not losing too much scenes in the processes?

We don't even know how to win the game period. I imagine an evil duo is probably possible. Whether you can do that without snuffing anyone..who knows. Only two characters cannot die....everyone else...

 

[Silver_Crow117]

We don't even know how to win the game period. I imagine an evil duo is probably possible. Whether you can do that without snuffing anyone..who knows. Only two characters cannot die....everyone else...

Actually it’s now 3 characters but it’s a spoilers for Miss Anais game… heh

 

[Maviarab]

Actually it’s now 3 characters but it’s a spoilers for Miss Anais game… heh

Already seen (If one assumes we are on about the same thing heh).

 

[asahibito]

How long, typically, before an update will land on itch.io?

 

[Maviarab]

How long, typically, before an update will land on itch.io?

Itch is going to be updated along with the android version shortly after FinalB drops (which should be very soon).

 

[mytest111]

We don't even know how to win the game period. I imagine an evil duo is probably possible. Whether you can do that without snuffing anyone..who knows. Only two characters cannot die....everyone else...

I tried to play a good dom but it turned the game too vanilla.
Tried cranking up evil flags and it turned into a murder spree.
Trying to balance things out I think I messed a couple of things.

 

[Maviarab]

I tried to play a good dom but it turned the game too vanilla.
Tried cranking up evil flags and it turned into a murder spree.
Trying to balance things out I think I messed a couple of things.

Then with all due respect, 'you' turned it into a murder spree. Always a choice for every action like that.

Sure, to get K1Mistress and Demoness/Dom Olivia then you have to kill 1 person. That's it. Any more afterwards is on you as the player. Kane doesn't have to kill anyone to get his (no longer used) Demon flag and also does not require any evil points to get to the required scene either (as that now unused flag is really entirely Olivia dependant, not Kane, with his one exception choice to tell Olivia to do it). Once have that flag on Kane, anything with Juliette is once again, entirely dependant on you. Kane can be reletively evil without being a lunatic.

Ultimately, whatever 'path' you are on, you will either miss or gain different content, that is how the VN is structured.

 

[mytest111]

Then with all due respect, 'you' turned it into a murder spree. Always a choice for every action like that.

Sure, to get K1Mistress and Demoness/Dom Olivia then you have to kill 1 person. That's it. Any more afterwards is on you as the player. Kane doesn't have to kill anyone to get his (no longer used) Demon flag and also does not require any evil points to get to the required scene either (as that now unused flag is really entirely Olivia dependant, not Kane, with his one exception choice to tell Olivia to do it). Once have that flag on Kane, anything with Juliette is once again, entirely dependant on you. Kane can be reletively evil without being a lunatic.

Ultimately, whatever 'path' you are on, you will either miss or gain different content, that is how the VN is structured.

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[Maviarab]

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Who you meet originally is mostly dependant on your D/V/J meet points. 2 Vmeet points will override any other meet points with any other sister too btw.

Note: If [Vmeet] >=2 {Go to Veronica Meet}
If [Jmeet] >=3 & [Evil] >=3 {Go to J Meet}
Else {Go to D Meet}

So if metagaming...and/or using Sancho's mod to game...then you can easily avoid Jules even if have the evil points. However, once again, if you choose to kill Dumbo, that is on you. You do not have to....it is not obligatory. Sure you will lose Juliette's sponsorship..but as of now, that's not terribly important.

 

[mytest111]

Who you meet originally is mostly dependant on your D/V/J meet points. 2 Vmeet points will override any other meet points with any other sister too btw.

Note: If [Vmeet] >=2 {Go to Veronica Meet}
If [Jmeet] >=3 & [Evil] >=3 {Go to J Meet}
Else {Go to D Meet}

So if metagaming...and/or using Sancho's mod to game...then you can easily avoid Jules even if have the evil points. However, once again, if you choose to kill Dumbo, that is on you. You do not have to....it is not obligatory. Sure you will lose Juliette's sponsorship..but as of now, that's not terribly important.

The way the dialogs are structured forces you to meet Juliette if you want the evil points, and you get to meet Dominique only if you avoided both Vreronica and Juliette:

12. A) (It might not help…) [Dmeet+1] [Friend+1] [KittyS-1]
B) (I don’t think it’s worth…) [Dmeet+1]
C) (I’m not sticking my neck out on the line.) [Jmeet+1] [Friend-1]
13. A) (I should try and give…) [Dmeet+1] [Friend+1] [Kitty-1]
B) (I better just keep my mouth shut…)
Jet
14. A) (Is she serious? I don’t need to hear…) [Dmeet+1] [Good+3]
B) (I really don’t want to hear…) [Vmeet+2] [Good+1]
C) (I never liked Zach anyway…) [Jmeet+1]
❖ (Hmm, I better not try and fake…) [Dmeet+1] [Good+3]
❖ (Hmm, I better not try and lie…) [Vmeet+2]
❖ (I better not lie here I am sadistically…) [Jmeet+3] [Evil+3] [KittyOffer]
15. A) (I really could use some release.) [Dmeet+3] [JRomanceOpn]
❖ (I think I can give her a hug…) [JRomanceOpn] [JFriendOpn]
❖ (It sounds like she is really lonely…)
B) (Maybe I should just take advantage…) [JFriendOpn]

 

[Stan5851]

The way the dialogs are structured forces you to meet Juliette if you want the evil points, and you get to meet Dominique only if you avoided both Vreronica and Juliette:

Math aside, in the vast majority of cases, if you choose the most humane answers to the questions you are asked in prison (computer test) and later on the plane when your K6 flies to JF, you are guaranteed to meet exactly Dominique. It may be different on the sub route, but I'm not aware of it.

 

[Maviarab]

The way the dialogs are structured forces you to meet Juliette if you want the evil points, and you get to meet Dominique only if you avoided both Vreronica and Juliette:

12. A) (It might not help…) [Dmeet+1] [Friend+1] [KittyS-1]
B) (I don’t think it’s worth…) [Dmeet+1]
C) (I’m not sticking my neck out on the line.) [Jmeet+1] [Friend-1]
13. A) (I should try and give…) [Dmeet+1] [Friend+1] [Kitty-1]
B) (I better just keep my mouth shut…)
Jet
14. A) (Is she serious? I don’t need to hear…) [Dmeet+1] [Good+3]
B) (I really don’t want to hear…) [Vmeet+2] [Good+1]
C) (I never liked Zach anyway…) [Jmeet+1]
❖ (Hmm, I better not try and fake…) [Dmeet+1] [Good+3]
❖ (Hmm, I better not try and lie…) [Vmeet+2]
❖ (I better not lie here I am sadistically…) [Jmeet+3] [Evil+3] [KittyOffer]
15. A) (I really could use some release.) [Dmeet+3] [JRomanceOpn]
❖ (I think I can give her a hug…) [JRomanceOpn] [JFriendOpn]
❖ (It sounds like she is really lonely…)
B) (Maybe I should just take advantage…) [JFriendOpn]

And all those are after you've left prison (or about to). You can wrack up an impressive amount of evil points (rarely ever used as a check btw) before you even do the mulriple choice test and/or leave prison.

You seem to be under the impression that having a stack of evil points actually matters, when in reality, it doesn't all that much (much like many are under the assumption you need Sub Points to be on the SubPath, which you don't, you can leave prison with 6+ DomPts and no SubPts at all and still get K4, SubPts mostly just change dialogue/odd scene).

You can grab 7 EvilPts on kane in Ep1 before the Multiple Choice scene. You can be up to 14 points by the time you meet Kitty (and your first meet points opportunity) by picking Jules in the aformentioned multi-choice test. At this point, the first Jmeet (pts with Jules) awards no evil points anyway. Then we get to the plane. Just make sure you do not get the required 3 Jmeet points to avoid her (because at this point, more evil points does nothing for you.

All the best/worst Jules scenes are hidden begind the Demon flag of which as I said earlier, Kane requires literally zero evil points to see because the scene is entirely dependant on Olivia's. You need very few to actually align with Olivia for rank/PrincessEyes/Team variables...not that PrincessEyes variable is used yet either anyway, so no idea how many we actually need when Tess decides to use it lol).

 

[mytest111]

Math aside, in the vast majority of cases, if you choose the most humane answers to the questions you are asked in prison (computer test) and later on the plane when your K6 flies to JF, you are guaranteed to meet exactly Dominique. It may be different on the sub route, but I'm not aware of it.

Those choices are for playing a good Kane. I tried them in my first playthrough.
Basically it boils down to:
Neutral -> Victoria
Evil -> Juliet
Good -> Dominique
In this order.

 

[Maviarab]

It may be different on the sub route, but I'm not aware of it.

You think SubKane is worthy of a meeting with one of the sisters?

Neutral -> Victoria

Veronica*

 

[mytest111]

And all those are after you've left prison (or about to). You can wrack up an impressive amount of evil points (rarely ever used as a check btw) before you even do the mulriple choice test and/or leave prison.

You seem to be under the impression that having a stack of evil points actually matters, when in reality, it doesn't all that much (much like many are under the assumption you need Sub Points to be on the SubPath, which you don't, you can leave prison with 6+ DomPts and no SubPts at all and still get K4, SubPts mostly just change dialogue/odd scene).

You can grab 7 EvilPts on kane in Ep1 before the Multiple Choice scene. You can be up to 14 points by the time you meet Kitty (and your first meet points opportunity) by pickijg Jules in the aformentioned multi-choice test. At this point, the first Jmeet (pts with Jules) awards no evil points anyway. Then we get to the plance. Just make sure you dot get the required 3 Jmeet points to avoid her (because at this point, more evil points does nothing for you.
All the best/worst Jules scenes are hidden begind the Demon flag of which as I said earlier, Kane requires literally zero evil points to see because the scene is entirely dependant on Olivia's. You need very few to actually align with Olivia for rank/PrincessEyes/Team variables...not that PrincessEyes variable is used yet either anyway, so no idea how many we actually need when Tess decides to use it lol).

So I don't need to stack evil points?
What about being aligned with Olivia?

 

[Maviarab]

So I don't need to stack evil points?
What about being aligned with Olivia?

Most of the alignment concerns early on are more related to whether Olivia chooses to help seth or not (early in Ep.5). If Olivia has more than 12 evil points (which directs you to the K1 area instead of the Zoo) then even telling Olivia to to be cruel does not award Kane EvilPts (but will give a SisHpt if Olivia not >15 EvilPts. Kane can have 0 EvilPts and if Olivia 15 or more...you will gain PrincessEyes points, however if she has more than 7 GoodPts here she will refuse but you keep the p'eyes). As an aside, if you do Jules' work Placement (cos you like her and want more extreme scenes) and sell Sunshine, then the next scene is still only 6 EvilPts required However, all that being said, Kane's Demon flag will no longer be referenced again, so unless you really want to see the related scenes...then there's really point in going that route as all you will lose is the scene with the dog kennels and the sarlac pit and the extra EvilPts are redundancy.

At your end GD05 evaluation...aligning with her is dependant on what she did with Seth, not your own alignment (providing you have the team points which is rarely ever points/alignment dependant).

So you can still have an evil aligned Olivia but if she helped Seth, good choices are better for you, or choices, that go along with her. What you are personally point wise matters less.