VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 TestB] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Stan5851]

I will give another theory. Out of two masked persons that came with Dekock's, we know one is Calista and other one could be legendary Ying Yue.

When did a character with a few minutes of screen time manage to become legendary? We know too little about her. But seriously, I don't think the abbot of the temple would ever get involved in the mundane. Imo, anyone could be hiding under the second mask, such as one of Alexander's sisters, Klara or Karin.

 

[Maviarab]

When did a character with a few minutes of screen time manage to become legendary? We know too little about her. But seriously, I don't think the abbot of the temple would ever get involved in the mundane. Imo, anyone could be hiding under the second mask, such as one of Alexander's sisters, Klara or Karin.

Karin perhaps. Klara is dead remember.

 

[kinkyshin]

Gentlemen, if you recall there was a time when I argued the case that Olivia could be Grym Gudinna despite overwhelming evidence pointing towards it being not the case. Now, that theory was obviously full of holes and I did make it clear not to take it too seriously...

Later, I begrudgingly made a post finally admitting that it was obviously Alessandra, however I left that post with a promise that I would find a new theory to peddle. And indeed, I finally have:

The TRUE identity of Seth...

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It's always bugged me... how does Callista even get pregnant with Seth after running away? The timeline had never really made sense to any of us...
Did she:
1) Keep a bottle of Cole's spunk in her backpack?
2) Later get raped by Alexander? (Not possible... or is it?)
3) Not even get impregnated and simply shows up one day with a newborn baby that obviously wasn't hers and Olivia somehow never breathes a word to Kane that Seth is obviously not related to them?

The problem was that we've always ruled out the 2nd possibility for a very obvious reason. After all, Olivia and Seth were already confirmed to be not related by Veronica... right?





Sorry Elena, Veronica did in fact lie. Actually, she's lied about a lot of things. She lied about deafening her servants. She lied about not finding Cole. She lied about Seth's identity. In the last case however, she may have lied at Callista's behest.
Callista asked Veronica for 3 things:





Of course Veronica didn't deliver on the 3rd thing (finding Cole) but Callista commends Veronica on seemingly keeping her word about Kane and Seth... In the case of Seth, perhaps it was not just about healing him but also it was about keeping his identity hidden?

It feels implied (to me at least) that Seth and Astrid 'match'. Of course they match, it's because they're related (Though Astrid is completely unaware of this). After all, there are many other people with the disease (there's 12 of them at Island 4 alone), why is Astrid implied to be able to make so much more progress with Seth than them?

And please, no one ask me why Veronica is even bothering to lie about Seth's identity in the first place as it's absolutely detrimental to my theory. But one possible explanation to this is that Seth himself is technically eligible to 'win' the Gambit if he proves worthy. And similar to everyone else, he too must be kept in the dark.


In fact, at the beginning when Alexander tells his daughter "...And last...last...test him. You...must...you must know...she...I...that is my final price for all that I have." We all assume he's talking about Kane, but for all we know he is talking about Seth. Seth already has the blood of Callista and Alexander, all he needs to do last is prove himself... which, going by the faction summary... he never will.

If true... Seth has quite the amount of half-siblings... Kane, Nadia, Olivia, Alessandra, Veronica, Juliette, Dominique, Astrid...



As always, not to be taken too seriously...

 

[Ricthequick]

Well looks like every imaginable path is available in sub path. No doubt why dom paths are getting canceled. Dev really just made dom paths for namesake only.

Which paths "are getting cancelled"?
You mean the fact dom Kane can't shag Elena?

Don't get me wrong I find Elena to be one of the better looking and more intriguing character of this VN, but once one gets past the very first chapters it's easy to understand why she wouldn't be a LI and I mean on any path.
Not every option for every character needs to be open in a VN, especially one that has a strong focus on story and setting.

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Again I repeat, there's a part of me that would love for Kane to be able to "romance" or have more interactions with Elena, I truly like her character and her model, but ain't going to happen and has nothig to do with giving preference to submissive paths.

 

[Spacy7]

What is Joiplay???? saw something related to it in mod thing, any idea what it is???

 

[Meiri]

What is Joiplay???? saw something related to it in mod thing, any idea what it is???

Mainly to execute Renpy and other type of games on an Android phone.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

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Gentlemen, if you recall there was a time when I argued the case that Olivia could be Grym Gudinna despite overwhelming evidence pointing towards it being not the case. Now, that theory was obviously full of holes and I did make it clear not to take it too seriously...

Later, I begrudgingly made a post finally admitting that it was obviously Alessandra, however I left that post with a promise that I would find a new theory to peddle. And indeed, I finally have:

The TRUE identity of Seth...

Spoiler: Cute Giraffe

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It's always bugged me... how does Callista even get pregnant with Seth after running away? The timeline had never really made sense to any of us...
Did she:
1) Keep a bottle of Cole's spunk in her backpack?
2) Later get raped by Alexander? (Not possible... or is it?)
3) Not even get impregnated and simply shows up one day with a newborn baby that obviously wasn't hers and Olivia somehow never breathes a word to Kane that Seth is obviously not related to them?

The problem was that we've always ruled out the 2nd possibility for a very obvious reason. After all, Olivia and Seth were already confirmed to be not related by Veronica... right?

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Sorry Elena, Veronica did in fact lie. Actually, she's lied about a lot of things. She lied about deafening her servants. She lied about not finding Cole. She lied about Seth's identity. In the last case however, she may have lied at Callista's behest.
Callista asked Veronica for 3 things:

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Of course Veronica didn't deliver on the 3rd thing (finding Cole) but Callista commends Veronica on seemingly keeping her word about Kane and Seth... In the case of Seth, perhaps it was not just about healing him but also it was about keeping his identity hidden?

It feels implied (to me at least) that Seth and Astrid 'match'. Of course they match, it's because they're related (Though Astrid is completely unaware of this). After all, there are many other people with the disease (there's 12 of them at Island 4 alone), why is Astrid implied to be able to make so much more progress with Seth than them?

And please, no one ask me why Veronica is even bothering to lie about Seth's identity in the first place as it's absolutely detrimental to my theory. But one possible explanation to this is that Seth himself is technically eligible to 'win' the Gambit if he proves worthy. And similar to everyone else, he too must be kept in the dark.
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In fact, at the beginning when Alexander tells his daughter "...And last...last...test him. You...must...you must know...she...I...that is my final price for all that I have." We all assume he's talking about Kane, but for all we know he is talking about Seth. Seth already has the blood of Callista and Alexander, all he needs to do last is prove himself... which, going by the faction summary... he never will.

If true... Seth has quite the amount of half-siblings... Kane, Nadia, Olivia, Alessandra, Veronica, Juliette, Dominique, Astrid...

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As always, not to be taken too seriously...

Well-thought-out theory, but one huge problem with that. If Seth is a descendant of Alexander and Callista, there is no longer a need for the gambit since a male descendant of himself and Callista is exactly what he wants. If anything, he'd have Veronica work to cure Seth, put him in the gambit, find a proper bride for him and leave Kane alone. I believe the only child of Alexander and Callista died in the hospital which is likely when he became a man-whore.

Callista likely was given Seth by Yvette, which is probably what the meeting in the park was about ( the logistics of picking up Seth). I can't expound upon the rest of my theory until the time of Alexander giving Astrid that disease is verified. Current theory is Alexander infects Astrid, they run across a kid with the same disease, they store him with Callista for safe keeping while observing his symptoms from a distance and they pick him up at the same time as Kane enters the gambit since Alexanders dead and there's nobody else to stop them from experimenting a cure.

 

[kinkyshin]

Well-thought-out theory, but one huge problem with that. If Seth is a descendant of Alexander and Callista, there is no longer a need for the gambit since a male descendant of himself and Callista is exactly what he wants.

Except this particular male descent has a genetic disease that will have him crippled until he dies at a relatively young age. Not exactly the 'perfect' child he was looking for.

Also we don't know the full details. For all we know, perhaps anyone with this disease... will pass it down their child as well? That would make Seth completely useless as an heir.

If anything, he'd have Veronica work to cure Seth, put him in the gambit, find a proper bride for him and leave Kane alone.

When Alexander spoke to Veronica, he seemed very confident that there was no cure. He went on about how she couldn't save Astrid, as it was beyond even her.

Callista likely was given Seth by Yvette, which is probably what the meeting in the park was about ( the logistics of picking up Seth).

You mean when Kane was old enough to speak to Veronica? Why would he think Seth is his brother if his mother was never pregnant and she just shows up with a new baby?

Anyways, the problem with my first 2 points is... why bother testing and hiding Seth's identity if he's completely useless anyways...

 

[kinkyshin]

BTW guys, we all assume that there is some kind of 'bomb' inside of Kane. For a few reasons..
1) Cole says something like "I'm concerned about what you said is in Kane's body. I see why Callista thinks she can't just pick him up."
2) Yvette says there is literal danger inside Kane's body.

But I was digging through old posts and saw:

No time to get to everything, but all I would say is that perhaps it's not Kane or Olivia that is driving her actions but Seth. And is she really in control? Sometimes, someone may gamble that some small chance for three is greater than a stronger chance for two but guaranteeing the third goes down. Callista does not know everything anyway -- certainly she has not shared everything with Olivia, and even Olivia is not aware of everything either -- one needs to be very precise with statements/fact and not context/conclusions from clues/dialogue.

Kind of implied the only reason that she handed the kids over to the Karlssons was that it was the only way to save Seth... not because Kane has some sort of 'bomb' inside of him.

Also kind of implies that Olivia knows a lot, but she's not quite the level of secret agent that we think she is.

 

[cyranoetplume2020]

Greetings,

Perhaps my question is a bit off. But, is this chapter 8; chapter 8 only or the season 2 of the game?
Season 01 is arround 12 Go and this one is 9 Go. So i think it is a bit large to only be chapter 08 but i d like to be sure.

Thank you.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Greetings,

Perhaps my question is a bit off. But, is this chapter 8; chapter 8 only or the season 2 of the game?
Season 01 is arround 12 Go and this one is 9 Go. So i think it is a bit large to only be chapter 08 but i d like to be sure.

Thank you.

The season 1 file is everything through chapter 7. The first 3 chapters are pretty small. At the end of chapter 7 you can make an import save for season 2.

Season 2 is only chapter 8 so far. Chapter 8 is very large and was broken up into 3 parts. Only the first 2 parts of chapter 8 are out right now.

 

[akki_sky]

Well-thought-out theory, but one huge problem with that. If Seth is a descendant of Alexander and Callista, there is no longer a need for the gambit since a male descendant of himself and Callista is exactly what he wants. If anything, he'd have Veronica work to cure Seth, put him in the gambit, find a proper bride for him and leave Kane alone. I believe the only child of Alexander and Callista died in the hospital which is likely when he became a man-whore.

Callista likely was given Seth by Yvette, which is probably what the meeting in the park was about ( the logistics of picking up Seth). I can't expound upon the rest of my theory until the time of Alexander giving Astrid that disease is verified. Current theory is Alexander infects Astrid, they run across a kid with the same disease, they store him with Callista for safe keeping while observing his symptoms from a distance and they pick him up at the same time as Kane enters the gambit since Alexanders dead and there's nobody else to stop them from experimenting a cure.

This is good theory. Till now I used to believe Seth could be son of Calista and Alexander. But your theory is better. Now I can see why Yevette took risk to meet Calista. She could only do that for her daughter.

Most likely Alexander used disease from Seth's blood. He is not any random same disease person but he is the source of Astrid infection. That is why Yevette gave Seth to most intelligent person she knows to find cure for Astrid.

 

[akki_sky]

BTW guys, we all assume that there is some kind of 'bomb' inside of Kane. For a few reasons..
1) Cole says something like "I'm concerned about what you said is in Kane's body. I see why Callista thinks she can't just pick him up."
2) Yvette says there is literal danger inside Kane's body.

But I was digging through old posts and saw:



Kind of implied the only reason that she handed the kids over to the Karlssons was that it was the only way to save Seth... not because Kane has some sort of 'bomb' inside of him.

Also kind of implies that Olivia knows a lot, but she's not quite the level of secret agent that we think she is.

Calista sent kids over to Karlson's because she wanted to give them chance to earn power to protect themselves.

Cole is concerned about body pain chip that is inside Kane. On maximum setting it can kill person after few seconds. If I remembered correctly, we have seen this when Kane kills guy who is responsible for his imprisonment. That is what Yevette also mentioned. For same reason revolution gang want that hacker who worked on chips to help them deactivate chips.

 

[Stan5851]

Also kind of implies that Olivia knows a lot, but she's not quite the level of secret agent that we think she is.

No one claimed Olivia's knowledge was absolute or close to it. No agent can know everything. But even what Callista has passed on to her is enough to have hidden advantages that no one else knows about. Besides, assuming that it was Liv who was at Alesander's deathbed (which is the basic tenet of "agent Olivia" theory) and it was her that Alexander himself wanted to talk to before he died (a bold hint of this is shown at the end of the very first scene from Ep0.8.2 pt1), that would be enough to consider Olivia an agent who knows much more than the Karlsson sisters think. (imo)

Regarding the "bomb" in Kane's body. It's hard to say what is meant, but if we think rationally and take into account the fact that Kane as the future (and, apparently, the only) probable father of the future heir suits everyone, it's unlikely that this "bomb" can threaten him in terms of genetic diseases and the like.

I think Tess will hide the truth as long as possible, and we won't soon find out what was really meant by Kane's "unique blood" and the very "bomb" inside him... And I'm not even ruling out that those two different definitions actually mean the same thing.

 

[Stan5851]

Cole is concerned about body pain chip that is inside Kane. On maximum setting it can kill person after few seconds.

I highly doubt there is such a chip in Kane's body. At least, I haven't seen any mention of it. As far as I can tell, Callista ran away from Alexander with her unborn child (Kane). So she "controlled" all of Kane's childhood and adolescence, and no one could just implant Kane with such a chip.

As you know, Alexander did the easier thing - he gave Callista an ultimatum, one of the conditions of which was that the adult Kane would participate in a special program. In exchange, he guaranteed Callista that he would not kill either Liv or Kane (perhaps these threats were an empty bluff, but I can't claim that 100%.. either way, Callista believed it).

 

[Ricthequick]

BTW guys, we all assume that there is some kind of 'bomb' inside of Kane. For a few reasons..
1) Cole says something like "I'm concerned about what you said is in Kane's body. I see why Callista thinks she can't just pick him up."
2) Yvette says there is literal danger inside Kane's body.

But I was digging through old posts and saw:



Kind of implied the only reason that she handed the kids over to the Karlssons was that it was the only way to save Seth... not because Kane has some sort of 'bomb' inside of him.

Also kind of implies that Olivia knows a lot, but she's not quite the level of secret agent that we think she is.

Hmm I don't know, a year or so ago I was providing some feedback about Callista and her actions, and as part of the answer Tess wrote me this.



So yes your theory might be right without having to discount the fact that there is indeed a "bomb" inside of Kane.

 

[kinkyshin]

Till now I used to believe Seth could be son of Calista and Alexander.

Well, you're the only person here who thought so. We have all long since ruled it out since it's not possible if Seth and Olivia are not related...

Cole is concerned about body pain chip that is inside Kane. On maximum setting it can kill person after few seconds. If I remembered correctly, we have seen this when Kane kills guy who is responsible for his imprisonment. That is what Yevette also mentioned. For same reason revolution gang want that hacker who worked on chips to help them deactivate chips.

No, it's definitely not.
Kane is very well aware of the shock chip inside of him, but when Yvette told him that there's danger literally inside of him, his reaction was '(What would distract me and shit... literally inside doesn't sound good...)' Why would she say that if it was just the shock chip (which he already knows about) and why would he be surprised if that was the case...

Regarding the "bomb" in Kane's body. It's hard to say what is meant, but if we think rationally and take into account the fact that Kane as the future (and, apparently, the only) probable father of the future heir suits everyone, it's unlikely that this "bomb" can threaten him in terms of genetic diseases and the like.

I think Tess will hide the truth as long as possible, and we won't soon find out what was really meant by Kane's "unique blood" and the very "bomb" inside him... And I'm not even ruling out that those two different definitions actually mean the same thing.

In regards to the 'bomb', Yvette says "No distractions... there is real danger to you knowing a few things too early. Danger literally inside of you." By saying this, I feel like she sort of implies that the 'bomb' is related to him knowing certain things too early. Both Elena and Otto tell Kane that Callista should've taken more risk and told him more. Obviously it's very possible that the 'bomb' likely isn't whatever we think it is, but yea... I think Yvette's sentence is interesting.

I highly doubt there is such a chip in Kane's body. At least, I haven't seen any mention of it. As far as I can tell, Callista ran away from Alexander with her unborn child (Kane). So she "controlled" all of Kane's childhood and adolescence, and no one could just implant Kane with such a chip.

As you know, Alexander did the easier thing - he gave Callista an ultimatum, one of the conditions of which was that the adult Kane would participate in a special program. In exchange, he guaranteed Callista that he would not kill either Liv or Kane (perhaps these threats were an empty bluff, but I can't claim that 100%.. either way, Callista believed it).

He just means the regular shock chip that Kane received when he entered the program.

 

[kinkyshin]

Hmm I don't know, a year or so ago I was providing some feedback about Callista and her actions, and as part of the answer Tess wrote me this.

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So yes your theory might be right without having to discount the fact that there is indeed a "bomb" inside of Kane.

Okay, so I guess a 'bomb' isn't so far off then. Cool post.

 

[kinkyshin]

Hmm I don't know, a year or so ago I was providing some feedback about Callista and her actions, and as part of the answer Tess wrote me this.

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So yes your theory might be right without having to discount the fact that there is indeed a "bomb" inside of Kane.

So...

I'm wondering if Callista has a 'bomb' inside of her as well.

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And the bracelet that Kane was given (which opens an access point), as well as Nadia's obsession with Kane being at least k7 to 'gain access' is related to diffusing this.

 

[Stan5851]

So...

I'm wondering if Callista has a 'bomb' inside of her as well.



And the bracelet that Kane was given (which opens an access point), as well as Nadia's obsession with Kane being at least k7 to 'gain access' is related to diffusing this.

Well, that makes sense. Maybe Nadia knows about the "bomb" too (whatever it is) and is trying to help Kane somehow...Yeah, I remember those words from Yvette (dialog when Kane was talking to her and Astrid), but they didn't provide any clarity. Based on Tess' response quoted above, it appears as follows:

The bomb inside Kane is still some sort of remote access device(?) that could stop Kane's life instantly. If that's the case, it could be one of the few things V hasn't been able to hack into, which Alexander promised to give her access to if she fulfills his last request for a meeting with (insert the right name, mine is Liv).

So, then perhaps Kane's life could be in the hands of Veronica, who is not noted for her hasty decisions and impulsive actions. If so, Kane's life is safe for the moment. I dont know how Yvette could even know about this "bomb" if Tess mentions that only Callista and one other person knows about it (probably Alexander). So most likely Veronica could have told Yvette about it..And the worst case scenario is if this "bomb" is not under V control, but I honestly can't imagine that.