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Ricthequick

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BTW guys, we all assume that there is some kind of 'bomb' inside of Kane. For a few reasons..
1) Cole says something like "I'm concerned about what you said is in Kane's body. I see why Callista thinks she can't just pick him up."
2) Yvette says there is literal danger inside Kane's body.

But I was digging through old posts and saw:



Kind of implied the only reason that she handed the kids over to the Karlssons was that it was the only way to save Seth... not because Kane has some sort of 'bomb' inside of him.

Also kind of implies that Olivia knows a lot, but she's not quite the level of secret agent that we think she is.
Hmm I don't know, a year or so ago I was providing some feedback about Callista and her actions, and as part of the answer Tess wrote me this.

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So yes your theory might be right without having to discount the fact that there is indeed a "bomb" inside of Kane.
 

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Till now I used to believe Seth could be son of Calista and Alexander.
Well, you're the only person here who thought so. We have all long since ruled it out since it's not possible if Seth and Olivia are not related...

Cole is concerned about body pain chip that is inside Kane. On maximum setting it can kill person after few seconds. If I remembered correctly, we have seen this when Kane kills guy who is responsible for his imprisonment. That is what Yevette also mentioned. For same reason revolution gang want that hacker who worked on chips to help them deactivate chips.
No, it's definitely not.
Kane is very well aware of the shock chip inside of him, but when Yvette told him that there's danger literally inside of him, his reaction was '(What would distract me and shit... literally inside doesn't sound good...)' Why would she say that if it was just the shock chip (which he already knows about) and why would he be surprised if that was the case...

Regarding the "bomb" in Kane's body. It's hard to say what is meant, but if we think rationally and take into account the fact that Kane as the future (and, apparently, the only) probable father of the future heir suits everyone, it's unlikely that this "bomb" can threaten him in terms of genetic diseases and the like.

I think Tess will hide the truth as long as possible, and we won't soon find out what was really meant by Kane's "unique blood" and the very "bomb" inside him... And I'm not even ruling out that those two different definitions actually mean the same thing.
In regards to the 'bomb', Yvette says "No distractions... there is real danger to you knowing a few things too early. Danger literally inside of you." By saying this, I feel like she sort of implies that the 'bomb' is related to him knowing certain things too early. Both Elena and Otto tell Kane that Callista should've taken more risk and told him more. Obviously it's very possible that the 'bomb' likely isn't whatever we think it is, but yea... I think Yvette's sentence is interesting.

I highly doubt there is such a chip in Kane's body. At least, I haven't seen any mention of it. As far as I can tell, Callista ran away from Alexander with her unborn child (Kane). So she "controlled" all of Kane's childhood and adolescence, and no one could just implant Kane with such a chip.

As you know, Alexander did the easier thing - he gave Callista an ultimatum, one of the conditions of which was that the adult Kane would participate in a special program. In exchange, he guaranteed Callista that he would not kill either Liv or Kane (perhaps these threats were an empty bluff, but I can't claim that 100%.. either way, Callista believed it).
He just means the regular shock chip that Kane received when he entered the program.
 

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Hmm I don't know, a year or so ago I was providing some feedback about Callista and her actions, and as part of the answer Tess wrote me this.

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So yes your theory might be right without having to discount the fact that there is indeed a "bomb" inside of Kane.
So...

I'm wondering if Callista has a 'bomb' inside of her as well.

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mom "I didn't listen to my heart...it always knew the truth...until it was too late. I'm so sorry."
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And the bracelet that Kane was given (which opens an access point), as well as Nadia's obsession with Kane being at least k7 to 'gain access' is related to diffusing this.
 
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So...

I'm wondering if Callista has a 'bomb' inside of her as well.



And the bracelet that Kane was given (which opens an access point), as well as Nadia's obsession with Kane being at least k7 to 'gain access' is related to diffusing this.
Well, that makes sense. Maybe Nadia knows about the "bomb" too (whatever it is) and is trying to help Kane somehow...Yeah, I remember those words from Yvette (dialog when Kane was talking to her and Astrid), but they didn't provide any clarity. Based on Tess' response quoted above, it appears as follows:

The bomb inside Kane is still some sort of remote access device(?) that could stop Kane's life instantly. If that's the case, it could be one of the few things V hasn't been able to hack into, which Alexander promised to give her access to if she fulfills his last request for a meeting with (insert the right name, mine is Liv).

So, then perhaps Kane's life could be in the hands of Veronica, who is not noted for her hasty decisions and impulsive actions. If so, Kane's life is safe for the moment. I dont know how Yvette could even know about this "bomb" if Tess mentions that only Callista and one other person knows about it (probably Alexander). So most likely Veronica could have told Yvette about it..And the worst case scenario is if this "bomb" is not under V control, but I honestly can't imagine that.
 

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It's because Kane can be killed immediately inside his body (only Callista and another person know this) so she needs to ensure this is resolved first. She has to ensure a specific person does not know she is alive and/or hope that person doesn't kill Kane right away.

Hmm, it doesn't seem to be Alexander at all, since he knows full well that Callista was alive and raising Kane and Liv all those years...Well, things just got even more confusing. :coffee::unsure:
 
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Well, that makes sense. Maybe Nadia knows about the "bomb" too (whatever it is) and is trying to help Kane somehow...Yeah, I remember those words from Yvette (dialog when Kane was talking to her and Astrid), but they didn't provide any clarity. Based on Tess' response quoted above, it appears as follows:

The bomb inside Kane is still some sort of remote access device(?) that could stop Kane's life instantly. If that's the case, it could be one of the few things V hasn't been able to hack into, which Alexander promised to give her access to if she fulfills his last request for a meeting with (insert the right name, mine is Liv).

So, then perhaps Kane's life could be in the hands of Veronica, who is not noted for her hasty decisions and impulsive actions. If so, Kane's life is safe for the moment. I dont know how Yvette could even know about this "bomb" if Tess mentions that only Callista and one other person knows about it (probably Alexander). So most likely Veronica could have told Yvette about it..And the worst case scenario is if this "bomb" is not under V control, but I honestly can't imagine that.
Err, it's definitely not Veronica if that's what you meant.

It's because Kane can be killed immediately inside his body (only Callista and another person know this) so she needs to ensure this is resolved first. She has to ensure a specific person does not know she is alive and/or hope that person doesn't kill Kane right away.

Hmm, it doesn't seem to be Alexander at all, since he knows full well that Callista was alive and raising Kane and Liv all those years...Well, things just got even more confusing. :coffee::unsure:
Looks like a lot of people know at this point lol. Callista, Nadia, Otto, Kiyomi, Cole, and Yvette all seem to know. Perhaps Elena too since Callista told her that she would explain to her why she did the things the way she did... which would be impossible without telling this information, as it was critical to her decisions.

I'm very confident that the 7th board member could only be Astrid or a character that hasn't been introduced yet. If it's the latter, perhaps that's the person with the power to delete Kane/Callista. I'm also wondering if either Juliette or Alessandra has a mother that's still around. Alexander did warn Olivia that his former lovers will scheme until their dying breath. So far we've only seen 3 of his former lovers and 2 of them are completely on Olivia's side lol.
 
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Err, it's definitely not Veronica if that's what you meant.



Looks like a lot of people know at this point lol. Callista, Nadia, Otto, Kiyomi, Cole, and Yvette all seem to know. Perhaps Elena too since Callista told her that she would explain to her why she did the things the way she did... which would be impossible without telling this information, as it was critical to her decisions.

I'm very confident that the 7th board member could only be Astrid or a character that hasn't been introduced yet. If it's the latter, perhaps that's the person with the power to delete Kane/Callista. I'm also wondering if either Juliette or Alessandra has a mother that's still around. Alexander did warn Olivia that his former lovers will scheme until their dying breath. So far we've only seen 3 of his former lovers and 2 of them are completely on Olivia's side lol.
Well, if things get really bad and this mysterious(?) malcontent gets in our way, I hope V has an analog of a Faraday cage or some sort of completely shielded from waves and electromagnetic fields bunker to isolate Kane and extract this "bomb".We have a few geniuses (Veronica, Astrid, Callista, Cole) so surely there must be specialists with the appropriate competence in minimally invasive surgery.

About the 7th board member, yeah, I'm sticking to that same theory (either Astrid or someone we haven't been shown yet).
 
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Except this particular male descent has a genetic disease that will have him crippled until he dies at a relatively young age. Not exactly the 'perfect' child he was looking for.
I feel like the same veronica that can determine the sex of a child before they're born can probably remove any defects from Seth's sperm if it came to that.

So now two new theories possibly come to light.
Whether or not Callista was trying to save Seth?
Possible, but helping Seth helps Astrid; I don't see why Callista would have to use her other son to save him.

Who is this mysterious person who doesn't know Callista is alive, or they'd kill Kane?
By process of elimination, we can probably figure it out. We can remove anybody not on the board. Dekocks wouldn't do it they'd be killing their power source. Claudia would be interesting, but that's not how she operates, and nobody else is big enough to have access to something like that in the game.
Let's now eliminate the board members. Elena and Veronica both know Callista is alive, since she has told them herself. Yvette is all about the revolution and keeping her daughters after. Juliette and Dom want to be the head of the company, and killing Kane is detrimental to that. This leaves two options: our mysterious seventh member or Alessandra. Until we find out the seventh member, I'll tentatively consider Alessandra. Callista didn't reveal herself to Alessandra when she could've easily done so near the beginning. Her father, at the beginning, told her she could kill him. She fits well. Especially if it comes out that Veronica worked with Callista to kill Alexander ( that's a theory for another day).
 
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Well, if things get really bad and this mysterious(?) malcontent gets in our way, I hope V has an analog of a Faraday cage or some sort of completely shielded from waves and electromagnetic fields bunker to isolate Kane and extract this "bomb".We have a few geniuses (Veronica, Astrid, Callista, Cole) so surely there must be specialists with the appropriate competence in minimally invasive surgery.

About the 7th board member, yeah, I'm sticking to that same theory (either Astrid or someone we haven't been shown yet).
I hope I didn't start a red herring chase to the "bomb" or whatever by sharing that message I got on Patreon.
All I can add is that back then I was on my 2nd playrthough, with a very dumb Kane, and while I was expressing my overall compliments for the VN I was pointing out how the 2 scenes at the begiining of that chapter:
  • Kane + Callista = Flashback in the undergrownd lake
  • Elena + Callista = on the hanging bridge
were imo working with a dominant (or at least partially sucessfull) Kane, one who's not suffering too much, but were giving me a whiplash effect with a submissive Kane who was suffering like hell (I think it was provisional K1, I was trying my best to fail at everything haha).

Why would a loving mother, by then fully aware of how badly her son is faring not do anything more urgently to save him?
She clearly could waltz in the Karlsson institute, and not only that, but also inside of Veronica's sancta sanctorum, what would stop her from helping him?

The answer is the one I got in that screenshot.
 

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I hope I didn't start a red herring chase to the "bomb" or whatever by sharing that message I got on Patreon.
All I can add is that back then I was on my 2nd playrthough, with a very dumb Kane, and while I was expressing my overall compliments for the VN I was pointing out how the 2 scenes at the begiining of that chapter:
  • Kane + Callista = Flashback in the undergrownd lake
  • Elena + Callista = on the hanging bridge
were imo working with a dominant (or at least partially sucessfull) Kane, one who's not suffering too much, but were giving me a whiplash effect with a submissive Kane who was suffering like hell (I think it was provisional K1, I was trying my best to fail at everything haha).

Why would a loving mother, by then fully aware of how badly her son is faring not do anything more urgently to save him?
She clearly could waltz in the Karlsson institute, and not only that, but also inside of Veronica's sancta sanctorum, what would stop her from helping him?

The answer is the one I got in that screenshot.
Thank you for your detailed response. I always knew that Callista was not to blame for what happened to sub Kane. You know, we've had arguments more than once where I have defended Callista and some other thread oldtimers, on the contrary, have accused her of all the deadly sins...You know, something like this..."and where the hell was that loving mother who didn't want to take care of poor suffering slave Kane?".Yeah she's just "mother of the year" and that sort of thing in a sarcastic way.

There was always a legitimate argument on my part (as a player playing only the Dom route) that Callista had given Kane enough care and tutelage to allow him to succeed among these sharks, reaching K9 rank in a week and gaining brilliant prospects for the future.

Well, now, thanks to the context of your question you asked Tess and her answer, I too, like you, know why Callista can't openly intervene and defend sub Kane. And yes, it explains a lot, including to those players who are offended by the completely unfair fate of sub Kane and the fact that Callista supposedly does nothing for him/doesn't do it openly.
 
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