VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[harsha_26]

Ironically enough, sub kane would be most likely to accept her explanation

I think Dom Evil path may run differently and MC want to maintain newly earned power status as status quo with Evil Olivia+sub and they both will hate Callista.

A villain MC in making, will definitely angry on mom, even towards the the point of hating her. And this is already told him by callista during season 2's first scene.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I think Dom Evil path may run differently and MC want to maintain newly earned power status as status quo with Evil Olivia+sub and they both will hate Callista.

A villain MC in making, will definitely angry on mom, even towards the the point of hating her. And this is already told him by callista during season 2's first scene.

Yea if at the end, Kane is evil and a dom she wouldve likely put a younger alexander at the head of the Karlsson syndicate. Not sure how she couldve handled things differently, but there had to be a better way.

Dominique is gonna be kicking herself once she realizes the gold mine she was sitting on back when she had access to Cole. Dom gives kane access to his father, probably wouldve gone a long way towards making Kane enamored with her.

 

[kinkyshin]

Yeah callista is the most overhyped
"putting on a pedestal" character who can never be wrong about anything.

Gambit Queen lol.. More like a Dumbwit Queen..

Greater good.. Yeah fuck her.. Dumbwit Queen.

Oh elena.. Yeah fuck her too. My most hated characters in the entire game of all paths are
Elena as first and
Callista as second.

Most loving character of all paths -
All Hail Nadia. I know she is bit of a sadist, but when it comes to Decocks family, she cares so much than Callista or her so called best friend Elena.

Why can't Elena on hanging brridge conversation with Callista as something like - "Sorry Callista for humiliating your son and literally treating like a trash and furniture. But I enjoyed it very much. That scene where she put him in inside car decker and the games with VIPs particularly, made me so happy". So much for friendship with Callista.


And she is nothing better in Dom path too. She only cares about Olivia. All board members are evil ans wants to maintain slavery as status quo. I think best path is to go for evil Dom and treat all the board members as shit.

Nadia: Kill all the Karlssons.
Callista: Leave Hate, look for the future. (The so called self righteous queen while son is suffering with brutal, torchured slavery).
Nadia: Sorry, I can't be you.

Thank you Nadia not agreeing with the ~Gambit~ Dumbwit Queen.

Raising Kane and Olivia like bro and sis for many years and now wants them to fuck other. And you see her dialogue with veronica.. "I maximised the odds of keeping them together" lol.

As I said, she is the most overhyped so called self righteous, "I know all" aka **Dumbwit Queen**.

All Hail Nadia. I know she is bit of a sadist, but when it comes to Decocks family, she cares so much than Callista or her so called best friend Elena.

Yea, a bit of a sadist, yea... A perfectly normal and healthy amount of sadism, but nothing over the top or anything.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

I think Dom Evil path may run differently and MC want to maintain newly earned power status as status quo with Evil Olivia+sub and they both will hate Callista.

A villain MC in making, will definitely angry on mom, even towards the the point of hating her. And this is already told him by callista during season 2's first scene.

I mean.. there’s no more Evil Kane stuff..that got axed… just dom.. but not sure of the extent

 

[Stan5851]

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Yeah, looks like the guy's brakes have failed and he's going like a broken record on a gramophone. I hope he calms down and gets better.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

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Yea, a bit of a sadist, yea... A perfectly normal and healthy amount of sadism, but nothing over the top or anything.

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If you was trying to show Kane's sis being awesome, you have succeeded.

Also looking at those pics makes me sad that she's off limits :s

 

[Stan5851]

Perhaps, but I just don’t see an explanation that covers the reason why she couldn’t have reached out to Veronica and made a deal. Which is exactly what Astrid argued for and what is happening.. except Kane isn’t excluded from the Gambit in this case and for some reason Callista isn’t pushing for it.

In fact, this deal has been around for a long time, it's just now taken to a new level when, after listening to Astrid's words, Veronica fully disclosed their joint plans to Callista and asked for her help in exchange for help with Kane (and Olivia).

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[kinkyshin]

In fact, this deal has been around for a long time, it's just now taken to a new level when, after listening to Astrid's words, Veronica fully disclosed their joint plans to Callista and asked for her help in exchange for help with Kane (and Olivia).

Think back to the very meeting between Callista (Gambit Queen) and Veronica in the ninja costume (season 1, where QG arrived on a small yacht). And the fact that she told Veronica that she had to make sure Kane and Seth were going to be succeed or she would never be able to open that very door. Isn't that a deal?

GQ: With the Gambit, I Know you will do what you must, but you also know my price.

V: I can likely succeed on two of them, but you Know I can't guarantee the third yet. It's more uncertain.

GQ: Just find him. You cannot unlock your final door without me. That key is beyond even you.

I assume it's Cole.

I don't think it's that simple. If Alexander's will meant nothing, then Veronica wouldn't need Callista (even setting aside the fact that she extols her as the only person who can understand her thoughts).

Do you think that opening that "final door" is nonsense and just a figure of speech? I dont think so. And if Veronica doesn't care too much about Gambit's rules, that doesn't mean she can refuse what Callista offers her in exchange for Kane and Seth being succeed. So I'm 100% sure that for all her independence, even V can't ignore Gambit completely and Callista knew where to push when she said that.

And now Callista and Veronica are in the same boat altogether, and I'm assuming they'll work as a unit and V will do whatever Callista asks.

P.S. And about the "bomb", we don't know yet how it works or who it is under remote control of. However, we do know (someone wrote about it here, referring to Yvette's dialogs) that if this enemy of Callista finds out she's alive, he can kill Kane immediately.

I have no doubt that V will pull it off, but so far we have no idea what it is or how to retrieve it. Maybe it's some kind of nano-bot hanging from a key artery leading to the brain, which on remote command could be immediately clogged or severed and "hello, Valhalla". So I wouldn't oversimplify things here either.

I am also curious about Alexander's will...

This is such a shot in the dark but maybe it has something to do with control over their AI, A.N.N.E or N.O.A.H? Though I forget what NOAH even is lol.

cass "This is A.N.N.E. and the letters for her name stand for Advanced Neural Network Entity. She is one of the most advanced artificial intelligence programs in the world."
cass "You will find her invaluable for your work, as she controls numerous functions within this facility."

If it's something that truly allows them to take control over all the other board members, then how was he even stripped of his power in the first place?

I'm surprised by a couple things:
A bit surprised he was able to get away with everything (at no point did Cole, Callista, Elena, and Yvette team up against him as he became more and more deranged?)
More than a bit surprised that he stuck some sort of bomb inside Kane (and possibly Callista) but not his own children.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

More than a bit surprised that he stuck some sort of bomb inside Kane (and possibly Callista) but not his own children.

Well he was probably the one who screwed over Astrid so Veronica threatened to pull a board coup and shut off all the collars if he didn't knock it off. Then she messed him up.

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[kinkyshin]

Well he was probably the one who screwed over Astrid so Veronica threatened to pull a board coup and shut off all the collars if he didn't knock it off. Then she messed him up.

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I'm genuinely confused about what this has to do with what I said

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

I'm genuinely confused about what this has to do with what I said

You were wondering in your last bit about why Alexander didn't tamper with his kids right? Well he probably did and Veronica stepped in.

 

[Stan5851]

Well he did screw over Astrid so Veronica screwed him over back and was also willing to pull a board coup and shut off all the collars if he didn't knock it off.

And later, she finished Alexander off with his own (bio) weapon, if we're talking about the outcome of their confrontation. Although, if I understood Veronica's hint in her conversation with Callista in Ep8 (and Tess hinted at it as well), that bastard raped young Veronica...So, on the totality of his deeds, Alexander got what he deserved.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

And later, she finished Alexander off with his own (bio) weapon, if we're talking about the outcome of their confrontation. Although, if I understood Veronica's hint in her conversation with Callista in Ep8 (and Tess hinted at it as well), that bastard raped young Veronica...So, on the totality of his deeds, Alexander got what he deserved.

This line? Its just vague enough that that people can fill in with whatever abuse they think fits.

 

[kinkyshin]

You were wondering in your last bit about why Alexander didn't tamper with his kids right? Well he probably did and Veronica stepped in.

These are not even remotely the same things at all though...

1. I mean when they were very young, which is surely when he stuck a bomb inside Kane.

2. Placing a bomb inside of them to ensure that he could easily delete them IF he ever needed to isn't the same as giving them a terminal disease that certainly would have them dead within a couple years. And he said he wasn't done with Astrid. He was essentially torturing her to death.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

These are not even remotely the same things at all though...

1. I mean when they were very young, which is surely when he stuck a bomb inside Kane.

2. Placing a bomb inside of them to ensure that he could easily delete them IF he ever needed to isn't the same as giving them a terminal disease that certainly would have them dead within a couple years. And he said he wasn't done with Astrid. He was essentially torturing her to death.

Time scales for things are funny. They are even more funny with a deranged man. He was obsessed with Calista and willing to do anything, including tampering with Kane, to have access or control involving her. For his kids according to lines by the sisters, he apparently showed disinterest while they were little unless they could demonstrate their use somehow. He thought of them as imperfect next to his ultimate prize of a child with Calista.

Only when they got older and more capable did he care more about keeping them in line and brutally acting against Astrid when she didn't.

Alex's view of Kane is funny anyway since he wants and needs him to fulfill the Gambit. He is a unique case.

 

[Stan5851]

This line? Its just vague enough that that people can fill in with whatever abuse they think fits.
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Yeah, but later Tess wrote something along the lines of “only women can fully understand this” so I assumed the worst - rape..And that fits the context best (imo). But even if it was "just" sexual harassment of his own young daughter, I don't think that excuses him in any way. So the bastard got what he deserved.

 

[Hazardgaming]

I’m pretty sure that guys can understand rape as well. It’s what happens to dom Kane when he’s first examined by Veronica and the nurse.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Yeah, but later Tess wrote something along the lines of “only women can fully understand this” so I assumed the worst - rape..And that fits the context best (imo). But even if it was "just" sexual harassment of his own young daughter, I don't think that excuses him in any way. So the bastard got what he deserved.

Hmm suffered abuse. Well it could be but doesn't have to be rape. Could have been starved or beaten

“only women can fully understand this”

Ok fine Tess. Rape it is.

I’m pretty sure that guys can understand rape as well. It’s what happens to dom Kane when he’s first examined by Veronica and the nurse.

Or what happens to pretty much all the men in general in that world.

 

[harsha_26]

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Yea, a bit of a sadist, yea... A perfectly normal and healthy amount of sadism, but nothing over the top or anything.

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Okay.. She is Juliette. I admit.. But still, family is family..

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

A few things:
a) If he was going to put a bomb inside of his kids it definitely wouldve been when Astrid refused him because back then all of his kids including veronica were afraid of him.
b) That would be a weird line to not have incest in the game and make a big deal about incest not in her game just to use it to villainize an antagonist.
c) Unless alexander stuck a bomb inside of him when he was a baby, I doubt that it happened when Kane was young. Only thing I can think of is whatever fluid that veronica stuck inside of kane to make him temporarily sterile.