VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 FinalA2] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Silver_Crow117]

Dover was joking.



I can't imagine that Phoebe or Celeste would be switched to the sub side. Phoebe advised Olivia to turn Kane into a husk like she had done to her husband, and Celeste said she would eventually get bored of tormenting Thad and feed to him to a pack of dogs lol. I think ending up with one of these girls on the sub route might be a bit too much even for the most passionate masochists...

As for who it could be:
-> Probably not Delilah (even though she would fit the bill and her content has been changed) because she takes off into space with Astrid for TQA.
-> Possibly Kiyomi, who had her dom ending removed (though recently added back, so maybe not her).
-> Possibly a MILF (Yvette or Elena) if those were ever actually options. She didn't really talk about them much.
-> Possibly Claudia, but I think she was already switched from dom route to sub route before Tess said this?
-> Possibly (probably?) Raven. I love her but who (on the dom route) would actually pick her over the likes of Veronica, Olivia, Angelica... On the sub route though you could really appreciate how nice she is towards the less fortunate.

Elena, Claudia, and Kiyomi already have routes for Sub Kane… Celeste and Phoebe I think are viable options since one, Phoebe is going to need a replacement for Harry when she takes him out back lol… she’s actually pretty chill towards Kane in a way where she wouldn’t turn him into a husk… the reason why Harry is the way he is, was because of what Harry did with Phoebe… second, Celeste I think would treat Kane better than Thad because… it’s Thad… no real attraction there… plus Celeste’s content was getting slashed anyways…

Tho I could see Raven be switched from that side but not sure… more development with Celeste and Phoebe already but I wouldn’t be mad with Raven! And Delilah had a route to sub Kane but stuff with TQA happens lol

Claudia already has a route for both sides… tho maybe we can see a Evil Claudia and Celeste team up with sub Kane Lmaooo so who knows

 

[Stan5851]

As for who it could be:
-> Possibly Claudia, but I think she was already switched from dom route to sub route before Tess said this?

I don’t know about the sub route, but C.content for the Dom side has already started to appear actively (the scene with evil Dominique where she and D.Kane decide to train Claudia together, and where Kane agrees to help C. with investigation of the revo) + a scene with demoness Liv and Claudia...Also, in the images from the upcoming 0.8.3, Claudia appears in the Dom scene, particularly in the "Throne Room", where Liv is sitting on Kane’s lap + "the welcome dinner scene". So, personally, I doubt that it will be Claudia specifically. IMO, it would be better if it were Celeste… At least, I wouldn’t have missed her.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Yeah, I remember something like that...Well, let's see who it will be. Any thoughts on who might switch from your side to ours?

Well it’s not a Karlsson I think, so it’s another character… I’m not sure right now.. I’ll have to think on it!

 

[kinkyshin]

I don’t know about the sub route, but C.content for the Dom side has already started to appear actively (the scene with evil Dominique where she and D.Kane decide to train Claudia together, and where Kane agrees to help C. with investigation of the revo) + a scene with demoness Liv and Claudia...Also, in the images from the upcoming 0.8.3, Claudia appears in the Dom scene, particularly in the "Throne Room", where Liv is sitting on Kane’s lap + "the welcome dinner scene". So, personally, I doubt that it will be Claudia specifically. IMO, it would be better if it were Celeste… At least, I wouldn’t have missed her.

Yea, I don't think she is considered a romantic option though. As far as I know, Tess has it planned so that Kane can fuck her and become allies but will not be able to build any meaningful, long-term relationship with her, which is more what I meant.

Elena, Claudia, and Kiyomi already have routes for Sub Kane…

Well you would know better than me. I'm basing a lot of what I've said off of these outdated images that were posted here (and actually have conflicting information since she must've changed her mind on some things between them).

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According to these old screenshots:
-> Claudia seems to have initially been planned exclusively for dom Kane and then switched exclusively to sub Kane.
-> Kiyomi seems to have initially been planned exclusively for dom Kane.
-> Elena seems to have initially been planned exclusively for secretsub Kane.

But I don't know what's been going on since.

Celeste and Phoebe I think are viable options since one, Phoebe is going to need a replacement for Harry when she takes him out back lol… she’s actually pretty chill towards Kane in a way where she wouldn’t turn him into a husk… the reason why Harry is the way he is, was because of what Harry did with Phoebe… second, Celeste I think would treat Kane better than Thad because… it’s Thad… no real attraction there… plus Celeste’s content was getting slashed anyways…

Bro... no way this can be considered 'chill'

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You prefer the sub route, so let me ask... do you really want sub Kane to romance Phoebe and/or Celeste?

Tho I could see Raven be switched from that side but not sure… more development with Celeste and Phoebe already but I wouldn’t be mad with Raven! And Delilah had a route to sub Kane but stuff with TQA happens lol

Claudia already has a route for both sides… tho maybe we can see a Evil Claudia and Celeste team up with sub Kane Lmaooo so who knows

Yea, Raven was my guess.

As for evil Claudia and Celeste, I would like to have them as secretaries for evil dom Kane lol. Back when Tess did that poll on who they wanted to see as Kane's primary helpers on the dom route, I brought it up... was surprised that the two of them got no love.

If you didn't know, on the secretsub route Kane gets to have a threesome with them and they immediately start arguing with each other lol. They're an interesting pair for sure.

 

[Stan5851]

Yea, I don't think she is considered a romantic option though. As far as I know, Tess has it planned so that Kane can fuck her and become allies but will not be able to build any meaningful, long-term relationship with her, which is more what I meant.

Ah, that’s what you mean… Well, I’m all for Claudia being our obedient sex student without any deep romantic rs or commitments…She’s like soft clay — it’ll be pleasant to mold her into a servant who will understand Kane at half a word.

If you didn't know, on the secretsub route Kane gets to have a threesome with them and they immediately start arguing with each other lol. They're an interesting pair for sure.

Did SS Kane fuck Celeste and Claudia in the same scene? O_O

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Yea, I don't think she is considered a romantic option though. As far as I know, Tess has it planned so that Kane can fuck her and become allies but will not be able to build any meaningful, long-term relationship with her, which is more what I meant.



Well you would know better than me. I'm basing a lot of what I've said off of these outdated images that were posted here (and actually have conflicting information since she must've changed her mind on some things between them).

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According to these old screenshots:
-> Claudia seems to have initially been planned exclusively for dom Kane and then switched exclusively to sub Kane.
-> Kiyomi seems to have initially been planned exclusively for dom Kane.
-> Elena seems to have initially been planned exclusively for secretsub Kane.

But I don't know what's been going on since.



Bro... no way this can be considered 'chill'

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You prefer the sub route, so let me ask... do you really want sub Kane to romance Phoebe and/or Celeste?



Yea, Raven was my guess.

As for evil Claudia and Celeste, I would like to have them as secretaries for evil dom Kane lol. Back when Tess did that poll on who they wanted to see as Kane's primary helpers on the dom route, I brought it up... was surprised that the two of them got no love.

If you didn't know, on the secretsub route Kane gets to have a threesome with them and they immediately start arguing with each other lol. They're an interesting pair for sure.

Who knows at this point tbh prob a mute point anyways we’ll see… I don’t discuss sub topics on this forum really, and I don’t know that much unfortunately

 

[kinkyshin]

Ah, that’s what you mean… Well, I’m all for Claudia being our obedient sex student without any deep romantic rs or commitments…She’s like soft clay — it’ll be pleasant to mold her into a servant who will understand Kane at half a word.

Did SS Kane fuck Celeste and Claudia in the same scene? O_O

They tie him to a chair. Claudia rides his dick while Celeste rides his face.

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[Stan5851]

They tie him to a chair. Claudia rides his dick while Celeste rides his face.

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I almost believed it could be a worthwhile scene until I saw a dildo attached to the seat. Not on my shift.

I don’t discuss sub topics on this forum really, and I don’t know that much unfortunately

Silver, if Tess is holding you hostage, just blink twice.

 

[kinkyshin]

I almost believed it could be a worthwhile scene until I saw a dildo attached to the seat. Not on my shift.

Silver, if Tess is holding you hostage, just blink twice.

What? There's no dildo attached to the seat lol.
There's just a table nearby with some dildos on it (it is a sex dungeon after all). Also, I thought they tied him to the chair but I guess they just have him sit down.

I actually loved the scene, especially how the twins bicker back and forth. Sadly the SS route goes from this to Alessandra having him lick a toilet, demoting him, etc... which actually makes this line from Kane pretty funny:

 

[harsha_26]

Well there was a post awhile ago that said she’s taking a primary character from the dom side and bringing it to the sub side and vice versa with the sub character going to dom… I can imagine either Phoebe or Celeste switching to sub side but that’s my guess

Preview renders hint that Pheobe is very much in game for dom route. Pheobe will be for both routes. Celeste is the one who is gonna end up in sub route and not for dom route.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Preview renders hint that Pheobe is very much in game for dom route. Pheobe will be for both routes. Celeste is the one who is gonna end up in sub route and not for dom route.

Maybe who knows Hersha…

 

[harsha_26]

What? There's no dildo attached to the seat lol.
There's just a table nearby with some dildos on it (it is a sex dungeon after all). Also, I thought they tied him to the chair but I guess they just have him sit down.

I actually loved the scene, especially how the twins bicker back and forth. Sadly the SS route goes from this to Alessandra having him lick a toilet, demoting him, etc... which actually makes this line from Kane pretty funny:
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Except for that black girl, domKane wont be getting another piss scene in dom route, especially with karlsson's sisters like alensandra. that's for sure.

 

[kinkyshin]

Preview renders hint that Pheobe is very much in game for dom route. Pheobe will be for both routes. Celeste is the one who is gonna end up in sub route and not for dom route.

What makes you say this?

Personally, I find it hard to believe that anyone on the sub route would want content with Celeste. She's simply far too vicious to those beneath her.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Yeah you are right, anything can happen as the dev is famously known for "periodical mood swings".

Funny how your saying all this stuff about Tess On here but have a totally opposite tone on her Patreon/Discord

 

[Silver_Crow117]

What makes you say this?

Personally, I find it hard to believe that anyone on the sub route would want content with Celeste. She's simply far too vicious to those beneath her.

If there’s a route for Juliette and even Katsumi, then Celeste or Phoebe aren’t off the table either… and bro… it’s sub content.. there’s a lot of player in that area that like the harsher type of ladies

 

[Stan5851]

What makes you say this?

Personally, I find it hard to believe that anyone on the sub route would want content with Celeste. She's simply far too vicious to those beneath her.

Well, if sub patrons meekly swallowed the fact that Tess doesn’t give sub Kane any choice and sadistic bitches treats him like a worthless worm and a powerless slave, then why do you think they won’t swallow the possible content with Celeste? It’s high time these guys grew some backbone and started defending their interests. (yeah, it's just my 2 cents)

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Well, if sub patrons meekly swallowed the fact that Tess doesn’t give sub Kane any choice and sadistic bitches treats him like a worthless worm and a powerless slave, then why do you think they won’t swallow the possible content with Celeste? It’s high time these guys grew some backbone and started defending their interests. (yeah, it's just my 2 cents)

As per usual, no sub player cares about your input Stan thanks

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Well, if sub patrons meekly swallowed the fact that Tess doesn’t give sub Kane any choice and sadistic bitches treats him like a worthless worm and a powerless slave, then why do you think they won’t swallow the possible content with Celeste? It’s high time these guys grew some backbone and started defending their interests. (yeah, it's just my 2 cents)

You actually do get some choices, just not the choice not to be treated like a worm.

By the way, are Mavi and I the only ones who have played both paths just to see the full story?

 

[Maviarab]

You actually do get some choices, just not the choice not to be treated like a worm.

By the way, are Mavi and I the only ones who have played both paths just to see the full story?

In 'full'...I believe so.

 

[Meiri]

I've played both paths: Dom, Sub, and Secret Sub. I even had different saves for a Good Sub vs. an Evil Dom Olivia, and for both Good Doms and a few others... However, I'm not sure if I will continue those until I see exactly in-game what she has done with the changes. For now I will probably just stick with one of each.