VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 FinalA2] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[vvvvvvvvvvvvv17]

I don't know which route you're talking about, but in Dom's route the dialog is perfectly fine. The same goes for all the characters. Likewise, I can't pick on the main plot scenes available to everyone - they're all equally interesting and make sense within the overall narrative.

Mostly the sub route. I don't think I've played much of the "dom" route past 0.5, which wasn't so much of a dom route and more of a "not complete object" route, but even though that is to be expected in the setting it's still somewhat underwhelming and judging from comments and because evil dom afaik is mostly non existent (correct me if I'm wrong I haven't played it and is just judging from feedback) I've not really bothered going through it.

Going back to my original point the dialogue specifically for the sub route is very suboptimal at places and to me at least is not very exciting. At some point it mostly goes to Olivia's POV and the Kane side of things feels like and afterthought. Not sure if I'm getting my point across, but it just feels like there's been zero character development for sub Kane and his dialogue is ok at best.

The other thing I really don't like is world building, not overall story/setting, just the world of the game itself. There's so many locations in the game, which isn't a problem, but some don't really have a purpose other than to just exist so that a certain thing can take place in a certain place (which adds a lot of bloat) and the way they are connected to each other is... well not good really... We're going from one place to another and back without much real purpose which to me just makes the whole thing a bit disjointed.

That's at least my feedback and all things considered it is a porn game so, meh...

 

[kinkyshin]

Mostly the sub route. I don't think I've played much of the "dom" route past 0.5, which wasn't so much of a dom route and more of a "not complete object" route, but even though that is to be expected in the setting it's still somewhat underwhelming and judging from comments and because evil dom afaik is mostly non existent (correct me if I'm wrong I haven't played it and is just judging from feedback) I've not really bothered going through it.

The dom route is amazing.
Only the secret sub route is underwhelming.

Going back to my original point the dialogue specifically for the sub route is very suboptimal at places and to me at least is not very exciting. At some point it mostly goes to Olivia's POV and the Kane side of things feels like and afterthought.

Kane is essentially a slave especially on the sub route. To show what's happening at the top of the company, of course you're going to have to see from other character's perspectives...

Not sure if I'm getting my point across, but it just feels like there's been zero character development for sub Kane and his dialogue is ok at best.

This isn't a kinetic novel. You make the decisions for Kane, so what sort of character development are you looking for?

The other thing I really don't like is world building, not overall story/setting, just the world of the game itself. There's so many locations in the game, which isn't a problem, but some don't really have a purpose other than to just exist so that a certain thing can take place in a certain place (which adds a lot of bloat) and the way they are connected to each other is... well not good really... We're going from one place to another and back without much real purpose which to me just makes the whole thing a bit disjointed.

That's at least my feedback and all things considered it is a porn game so, meh...

There's really not that many places... I don't even know what you mean by that.
Everything is happening in southern Africa. In the west is where the Karlssons are. In the east is where the DeKocks are. Somewhere in between is New Paris. And north of that (central and northern Africa) is the wastelands.

I don't think you would find the story so disjointed if you played all the routes like most of us do.

 

[vvvvvvvvvvvvv17]

There's really not that many places... I don't even know what you mean by that.
Everything is happening in southern Africa. In the west is where the Karlssons are. In the east is where the DeKocks are. Somewhere in between is New Paris. And north of that (central and northern Africa) is the wastelands.

There's a literal shitton of places... you can't be real. We're going from palaces to villas to boats to submarines, space stations, caves and none of them seem connected or have any real purpose. How are they connected? Who knows, who cares. Jumping from one place to another so quick it gives you whiplash.

This isn't a kinetic novel. You make the decisions for Kane, so what sort of character development are you looking for?
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I don't think you would find the story so disjointed if you played all the routes like most of us do.

Implying I have to play literally all the routes to get a good grasp of the story just proves my point... The idea is to make decisions and still get a complete story. I wouldn't mind going over different routes if they were enjoyable (to me), but having to go sit through (mostly) mediocre renders and not much added value just so that you get a good understanding of the story is just ass.

Either way I don't want you to change my mind, that's just my feedback and if you enjoy the game I'm glad you do, I'm just saying for me personally it has gone from a solid 7/10 to a mediocre 5/10 (also the sex scenes/renders are very mid for a game in this day and age)

 

[kinkyshin]

There's a literal shitton of places... you can't be real. We're going from palaces to villas to boats to submarines, space stations, caves and none of them seem connected or have any real purpose. How are they connected? Who knows, who cares. Jumping from one place to another so quick it gives you whiplash.

I don't even know how to respond to this... but I can say that you're the first person I've seen on here make this bizarre complaint.

Implying I have to play literally all the routes to get a good grasp of the story just proves my point... The idea is to make decisions and still get a complete story. I wouldn't mind going over different routes if they were enjoyable (to me), but having to go sit through (mostly) mediocre renders and not much added value just so that you get a good understanding of the story is just ass.

No, I don't think you have to, but certain things would be more clear. If you don't like the story, then you don't like it, and that's okay. I don't think there's a whole lot of bloat to this story at all though. The dialogue is very concise.

Either way I don't want you to change my mind, that's just my feedback and if you enjoy the game I'm glad you do, I'm just saying for me personally it has gone from a solid 7/10 to a mediocre 5/10 (also the sex scenes/renders are very mid for a game in this day and age)

Okay, why did you even bother leaving a comment if you don't want people to respond? You could've chosen to give a review instead of leaving a comment btw, in which case no one can respond to that except with giving it a like. Maybe that's what you should've done lol. And popular opinion btw is that the story keeps getting better.

 

[Maviarab]

The fuck is going on with this site this week.

 

[CollectorTivan]

What are the options on this Dom poll?

On a side note, the list goes on lol

 

[Silver_Crow117]

My post was deleTed
… guess that guys feelings were hurt

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

My post was deleTed
… guess that guys feelings were hurt

I think they meant to delete mines but yours got caught up, my bad.

Question for the subs even though I'm pretty sure I know the answer. Is there anyway for sub kane to learn who his father is?

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

I think they meant to delete mines but yours got caught up, my bad.

Question for the subs even though I'm pretty sure I know the answer. Is there anyway for sub kane to learn who his father is?

I play everything so I'm trying to make sure details don't mix in my head, but I don't think so. He's been told he's very important which Sub-Kane finds funny considering his position. He was told Olivia wasn't his sister and Phoebe told him that he did have a sister outside of Olivia without saying who. Dominique almost let it slip who his Dad was when Kane was getting fucked by a heated strap-on but she stopped herself.

Silver might know for sure if I missed something.

 

[Stan5851]

when Kane was getting fucked by a heated strap-on.

Looks like the sub route is even more fucked up than I could have imagined.

 

[CollectorTivan]

I play everything so I'm trying to make sure details don't mix in my head, but I don't think so. He's been told he's very important which Sub-Kane finds funny considering his position. He was told Olivia wasn't his sister and Phoebe told him that he did have a sister outside of Olivia without saying who. Dominique almost let it slip who his Dad was when Kane was getting fucked by a heated strap-on but she stopped herself.

Silver might know for sure if I missed something.

Was Dominique the one doing it or instructed it to be done that way? Just curious because I thought she was a lot better than her sisters in that regard.

 

[akki_sky]

Looks like the sub route is even more fucked up than I could have imagined.

Yes. I was going to play sub path once by fast forwarding scenes to know about the story and characters more. I was curious about what Elena told callista on bridge, what veronica told callista, what kiyomi and otto told cole, what cynthia and nadia talk with mc, also recently nadia and olivia scene was posted here so what else they talked and if cynthia also talked with olivia which did not happened in dom path.

But sub path looks way more dark evil and fucked up, So no. I'm never going in that direction.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Yes. I was going to play sub path once by fast forwarding scenes to know about the story and characters more. I was curious about what Elena told callista on bridge, what veronica told callista, what kiyomi and otto told cole, what cynthia and nadia talk with mc, also recently nadia and olivia scene was posted here so what else they talked and if cynthia also talked with olivia which did not happened in dom path.

But sub path looks way more dark evil and fucked up, So no. I'm never going in that direction.

The scene I described was K1 if I remember right.(Maybe k2 could land on it. Don't remember) Which is the route where you fucked up so bad on points you risk getting a gameover. A normal sub route like K4 is humiliating but not dark and gruesome.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Was Dominique the one doing it or instructed it to be done that way? Just curious because I thought she was a lot better than her sisters in that regard.

If I remember right I think it was Juliette doing it with Dominique getting eaten out by Mercy and enjoying the show.

And no, Dominique is pretty evil too, she just hides it unless an evil Kane Dom does certain things for her to reveal it. Or I suppose if a Sub fucks up enough.

 

[Esti]

A normal sub route like K4

Can you escape sub route and into the dom route? Or what happens if you do everything right?

 

[Stan5851]

Can you escape sub route and into the dom route? Or what happens if you do everything right?

If by “right” you mean the route that will get your Kane to the very top and become the main guy (Z5) in this company, then you should look at the Dom route (K5+). There is no way back from the Sub route, you will remain a slave.

 

[Maviarab]

Can you escape sub route and into the dom route? Or what happens if you do everything right?

If by “right” you mean the route that will get your Kane to the very top and become the main guy (Z5) in this company, then you should look at the Dom route (K5+). There is no way back from the Sub route, you will remain a slave.

If start at K4 you have one opportunity to escape up to K5/6 at the first evaluation.

 

[Stan5851]

If start at K4 you have one opportunity to escape up to K5/6 at the first evaluation.

This is the first I've heard of it. But I take it that's a difficult outcome to achieve?

 

[Maviarab]

This is the first I've heard of it. But I take it that's a difficult outcome to achieve?

Just don't screw up lol.

This path does however put you on the Alessa SS route though.

 

[akki_sky]

If start at K4 you have one opportunity to escape up to K5/6 at the first evaluation.

Yes, you can do that. you will be K5 after first evaluation. Alessandra will ask you about becoming secret sub, reject her. Then after second evaluation you will be K7. You will not get Svetlana instead Taylor will give kane blowjob. You will miss Alessandra / Celest harem path.

You will not able to go beyond K10 after episode 8 so no Z5. That means kane will not become solo Leader of any faction. There could be joint leader option with one of the karlsson but we don't know requirement of that yet.