VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[Interracial UglyB NTR Fan]

I dont know, I feel like they shouldnt be focusing this much on the mediocre gameplay, even less so in the tedious one (combat), and the story so far is pretty shallow and uninteresting in comparison to NN.

Yea, I cheat to lvl 99 every play through to shorten combat so I get ya. I thought the raids seemed ok because unlike combat you get different dialogue based on performance, I think for the raid/army system to be cool there should be a soldier morale system tied to it to incentivize performance, which Sabia can boost if her corruptions high enough or with gold if you lack culture

What I liked about NN was the town, how they interact with riven and her corruption level, made it feel like what you did mattered. In KoD you can work the tents, get group fucked at the feast then felt up and striped at the bar and no ones perception of you changes, especially shallow are the NPCs in that regard, Hey Sabia, Hey human or Hey slut and a grope is how she should be greeted based on choices, seems decisions only matter to a specific NPC at specific times otherwise playthroughs are identical. Makes me want to mod it in myself but I'm short on time and it's early so here's hoping it's added later.

 

[SabaRoundScape]

After I gave bones to Kia I don't know what to do I can't do anytihing with kia

 

[Interracial UglyB NTR Fan]

Does that mean the lewd content has been removed. If so then that sucks big time!

Just the rape scene in the beginning, its available to be viewed in the modded version by based JD. I think it was removed due to one part story telling (IMO it was better in, even though I'm not into it) and one part patreon rules crack down

 

[random.person]

Just the rape scene in the beginning, its available to be viewed in the modded version by based JD. I think it was removed due to one part story telling (IMO it was better in, even though I'm not into it) and one part patreon rules crack down

If I remember correctly, the official reason that's been given is that in the first version it was included to provide enough content, but they weren't happy with its location in the story because it was too soon and abrupt with regard to the way they wanted the game to progress.
To make it short, too soon to have Sabia get raped by orcs.

 

[Heliophorus]

Either because they though it was too soon or due to patreon rules, take your pick. Also, I can't imagine why people would find NN story interesting, it's convoluted fantasy plot.

 

[torkenstiem]

Just the rape scene in the beginning, its available to be viewed in the modded version by based JD. I think it was removed due to one part story telling (IMO it was better in, even though I'm not into it) and one part patreon rules crack down

If I remember correctly, the official reason that's been given is that in the first version it was included to provide enough content, but they weren't happy with its location in the story because it was too soon and abrupt with regard to the way they wanted the game to progress.
To make it short, too soon to have Sabia get raped by orcs.

Hmmm, wasn't other scenes like the catgirl punishment in the tent removed as well, since it was "nonconsenual" if i remember right? Thats why I stopped playing after I saw the Sabia rape scene was removed.

 

[Delmach]

I really like the art, and especially some of the special scenes (the tentacle milking cup thing and the tube, or the collar/gag added in otherwise simple scenes), but somehow im torn about the direction it seems to be going.

Having played NN, and while understanding its a different game and universe, im still wondering (hoping?) if and how more depraved things happen. In corruption games it makes sense to have more options the further it progresses, but I would say this isnt really a corruption game. And with the ability to gain power/forces/influence and the raiding, im thinking there isnt really much place for the more depraved things at the end. Cant really think of much incentive to do so, especially since a scene already got removed because it apparently doesnt fit the narrative of the strong, leading female.

Guess it also doesnt help that orcs dont really do much in terms of interspecies content for me. I really only ever think of them as, well, green painted humans with tusks that live a more tribal life.

What I liked about NN was the town, how they interact with riven and her corruption level, made it feel like what you did mattered. In KoD you can work the tents, get group fucked at the feast then felt up and striped at the bar and no ones perception of you changes, especially shallow are the NPCs in that regard, Hey Sabia, Hey human or Hey slut and a grope is how she should be greeted based on choices, seems decisions only matter to a specific NPC at specific times otherwise playthroughs are identical.

Now this, this kind of describes a part of how im thinking, but maybe its really my fault for wanting more of the previous game (and its corruption) and also the game not being finished yet.

 

[random.person]

Either because they though it was too soon or due to patreon rules, take your pick. Also, I can't imagine why people would find NN story interesting, it's convoluted fantasy plot.

Because seeing a female character getting more and more perversed and slutty is someone's fetish.
Playing one too.
And some people like both of those.

 

[Sacerih]

Hmmm, wasn't other scenes like the catgirl punishment in the tent removed as well, since it was "nonconsenual" if i remember right? Thats why I stopped playing after I saw the Sabia rape scene was removed.

No, the catgirl rape is still in. And always has been.

 

[random.person]

I really like the art, and especially some of the special scenes (the tentacle milking cup thing and the tube, or the collar/gag added in otherwise simple scenes), but somehow im torn about the direction it seems to be going.

Having played NN, and while understanding its a different game and universe, im still wondering (hoping?) if and how more depraved things happen. In corruption games it makes sense to have more options the further it progresses, but I would say this isnt really a corruption game. And with the ability to gain power/forces/influence and the raiding, im thinking there isnt really much place for the more depraved things at the end. Cant really think of much incentive to do so, especially since a scene already got removed because it apparently doesnt fit the narrative of the strong, leading female.

Guess it also doesnt help that orcs dont really do much in terms of interspecies content for me. I really only ever think of them as, well, green painted humans with tusks that live a more tribal life.




Now this, this kind of describes a part of how im thinking, but maybe its really my fault for wanting more of the previous game (and its corruption) and also the game not being finished yet.

Regarding the "doesn't fit the strong leading female" I think you are uncorrect. The game aims to provide two main paths: dominating and submissive Sabia.

The reason I remember them giving for the removal of the intro possible rape scene is the one I wrote in a previous post and it has nothing to do with Sabia needing to be dominating.

 

[Heliophorus]

Because seeing a female character getting more and more perversed and slutty is someone's fetish.
Playing one too.
And some people like both of those.

That's fine, and I don't mind other peoples fetishes but it's not an interesting plot. Not that KoD story is very original either these days with its dark fantasy political intrigue plot. We got a lot of this in todays pop culture, but I would still say it's at least somewhat more sophisticated (and hell, this is a porn game) than NN. Also, corruption is not really the focus of the game, so I can understand why NN fans might feel this. I personally enjoyed NN, but certainly not as much as KoD for several reasons.

 

[torkenstiem]

If I remember correctly, the official reason that's been given is that in the first version it was included to provide enough content, but they weren't happy with its location in the story because it was too soon and abrupt with regard to the way they wanted the game to progress.
To make it short, too soon to have Sabia get raped by orcs.

Then they need to find a new place for it, pronto. Preferably, somehwhere before she turns into a sex crazed maniac.

 

[random.person]

That's fine, and I don't mind other peoples fetishes but it's not an interesting plot. Not that KoD story is very original either these days with its dark fantasy political intrigue plot. We got a lot of this in todays pop culture, but I would still say it's at least somewhat more sophisticated (and hell, this is a porn game) than NN.

Of course this one has a more complex plot. That's been their intention from the start.
With my reply before I wanted to strictly reply to why I think NN has been so well received, not to say it has a very good plot from a narrative standpoint. It's just a very good adult rpgmaker game. It hit home with me both because I have been a league player, with Riven my favourite gal, and because it appealed to the right fetishes, but I recognize the plot in that game is a pretext. But for a game such as that, I think it fared very well as a pretext.

Then they need to find a new place for it, pronto.

I remember something being said about that as well, but I'm not sure.

Now, talking about something different, is it normal that the second and third bonus pack just start with the bonus content whilst the first one just starts you a new game?

 

[Delmach]

Dont think there is any game that had to remove some non-consensual content yet, every game where it changed was because the developers did so beforehand. And for example games like Dreams of Desire actually got reviewed, was asked to change the incest, and still has its main plot, the mind control, which would count for some/most as non-consensual.
Now if something involves physical violence, blood and/or screaming/tears, then I guess it "could" become a problem.

Regarding the "doesn't fit the strong leading female" I think you are uncorrect. The game aims to provide two main paths: dominating and submissive Sabia.

The reason I remember them giving for the removal of the intro possible rape scene is the one I wrote in a previous post and it has nothing to do with Sabia needing to be dominating.

Not sure where I read that it was the supposed reason for the removal of the scene, really wouldnt mind if im wrong there, really quite the opposite. Guess I just do more waiting to see if the end-game content delivers more of what I would like.

 

[random.person]

This is the reason they gave on the latest thread:
''Just to clarify, the intro scene was removed a patch back, in retrospect we did not like how drastic it was as a scene for such an early stage. So now that we have a lot more other content we decided to remove it for a better, more balanced start up for any Sabia play through you might want. That doesnt mean any other changes are coming and the trial and everything else was also tuned to its removal. The stats are still there, if you want the CG tho you can just save an old version with it.''
And another in reply to a comment:
''Thanks for the feedback Bad Fantasy, we do understand your thinking and your point, we did like the scene and I personally invested a lot of time drawing and setting it up so it was not an easy thing to do. However while at the time we felt such a scene was needed to show variety and hentai content, where we are now it really just feels as too much in the very beginning. As you will see tho similar scenes will come as soon as the next update, so its just a pacing issue we wanted to resolve and nothing more. And no offence taken.''

So I guess we do know now. It's a bummer. And I don't agree about it being too drastic. But it's their game. They know what they want it to be. It is what it is. No point in whining about it anymore, I suppose. Though I still will be. In secret. Just to myself.

Since you asked, I digged back in the thread (actually googled, ofc) and this was reported by another user.

On the patreon page in a comment I found this too, which confirms it:
"If you mean the intro scenes, they were removed because after going so deep into KoD, we felt they didn't quite work as we wanted as a start of the game."

 

[insertusernamehere]

It is becoming increasingly clear that the shift to Ren'Py was a mistake. Months of development time have gone to trying to make the engine do things it's not designed to do (the shops, the combat system, etc). Worse, all of those things are trivial to do in RPGM, and Sierra has a ton of built-up experience with RPGM.

I can't remember what the rationale for the switch to Ren'Py was, but I'm 100% sure the game would be way more fun to play if it was done in RPGM.

 

[Heliophorus]

but I'm 100% sure the game would be way more fun to play if it was done in RPGM.

Matter of taste, I find RPGM combat boring and backtracking in NN was annoying, among other things.

 

[Interracial UglyB NTR Fan]

Now this, this kind of describes a part of how im thinking, but maybe its really my fault for wanting more of the previous game (and its corruption) and also the game not being finished yet.

A good point, I'm not sure if the game was ever touted as corruption, maybe we all assumed it cause of NN and Sabias beginning progression hates orcs, then ok, then lusting in some scenes etc. time will tell I guess

 

[Heliophorus]

A good point, I'm not sure if the game was ever touted as corruption, maybe we all assumed it cause of NN and Sabias beginning progression hates orcs, then ok, then lusting in some scenes etc. time will tell I guess

I wouldn't say it was, but I think you might still get something like that with sub route. So far it has been less of a corruption game and more of Sabia doing things she would normally wouldn't do to survive and achieve her goals.

 

[Interracial UglyB NTR Fan]

It is becoming increasingly clear that the shift to Ren'Py was a mistake. Months of development time have gone to trying to make the engine do things it's not designed to do (the shops, the combat system, etc). Worse, all of those things are trivial to do in RPGM, and Sierra has a ton of built-up experience with RPGM.

I can't remember what the rationale for the switch to Ren'Py was, but I'm 100% sure the game would be way more fun to play if it was done in RPGM.

I can't speak for anyone else but I hate RPGM, it's so slow it really ruins games for me, the combats bad no matter the engine and replays or alternate playthroughs are excruciating, I think a lot feel this way as I've seen many people post on several games similar complaints and that's why they switched. Personally I feel 95% of the RPGM games on f95 would be much better received if they we're on Renpy, it may be harder in the beginning but I think it's definitely worth it in the long run