VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[badabingbadaboom]

No art pack 4? I'm so sad, I might even buy it myself.... nah I'm not that sad.

 

[AsTr]

Can someone send me save for gallery too lazy to do it since I spent about 23 hours on the game already just reading and re reading scenes(including skips)

 

[cdn]

This is really good.

Going through the walk-through, it seems like I have played all the playable content.

I chose Sabia to be independent - organising independent feast and all (with the plan of making a her a well respected leader who would unify 'races' against corrupt Lundar - hopefully that's were all this is going) - and it seems I have missed out on two things, I didn't get the orc axe and have only two raiding parties. Somewhere I missed out on Kulgan's army. So I have only two raiding parties and I don't think it is going to work going forward. I managed to get through the second raid possibly because of a bug - I attacked first time using only one party and used the other in second round. And it worked. In fights also I did bit of cheating - saving between fights - I justify it against bug which didn't give me Stat boosts despite levelling up.

Any idea how I may be able to fix the issue with raiding parties? Or are there only two raiding parties available if you choose not to ally with the captain?

 

[cdn]

Also how to trigger the scene with Kia? Increased submission?

 

[emi_ryan]

Guys please help me I cant catch white hind for Jadk and Jadk say maybe take care of that investigation first,hmm? Pls help me

 

[cdn]

You need to keep going to the forest (few times) to hunt and eventually a dialogue will appear which talks about artificial aid. Buy recipe for energy drink, craft a bottle of energy drink and then go hunting again you should be able to catch white Hind.

That said I don't remember anything regarding investigation, may be I didn't go to Jadk after I started hunting for White Hind till I caught one.

 

[Ripe]

I hope this is the case since I and many others can consider it the canon outcome rather than that dogshit forced murder route that was pushed on us for doing the bar scenes.

How was it pushed on you? That the scenes will end like they did is more or less hinted before you even started the chain! And you certainly get hints about what Sabia is planning to do along the way.

I always found that to be random as fuck.

Like, first off I am playing a porn game, I think I know what I am most likely going to get by the choices I make.

And secondly, it made no sense anyways. If I remember correctly, suddenly some orcs appear and tell you "Hey help us kill those guys", and you are forced to say "Hey alright"

I feel like they try too hard to force the story of the game like everyone thinks is amazing, when it is merely a premise to fuck orcs, and the fucking gets more and more scarce with every update.

No, that was no random guys asking Sabia to help kill those orcs. It was Sabia finding orcs that disliked/hated that group so they could help her kill them because they could/would became an obstacle to her plans. As I said, that the bar scenes chain will end up with those orcs being killed was more or less hinted before you even started the chain.

 

[bigpenniser]

How was it pushed on you? That the scenes will end like they did is more or less hinted before you even started the chain! And you certainly get hints about what Sabia is planning to do along the way.

No, that was no random guys asking Sabia to help kill those orcs. It was Sabia finding orcs that disliked/hated that group so they could help her kill them because they could/would became an obstacle to her plans. As I said, that the bar scenes chain will end up with those orcs being killed was more or less hinted before you even started the chain.

Then it was changed after I stopped giving enough of a shit to read that again for the millionth time because last time I did read it it was exactly as I said.

 

[baneini]

I also found the bar murder scene bizarre. Theres many things you would do before considering something that could get you permanently removed from society.
I guess it's a case of game design forcing a storyline.

 

[Djoki996]

I also found the bar murder scene bizarre. Theres many things you would do before considering something that could get you permanently removed from society.
I guess it's a case of game design forcing a storyline.

Guys, don't forget that the story is set in a fantastic, more politically correct version of middle ages. Murder was pretty much the only way of dealing with your enemies. Present day logic and morals don't really matter.

 

[bigpenniser]

I also found the bar murder scene bizarre. Theres many things you would do before considering something that could get you permanently removed from society.
I guess it's a case of game design forcing a storyline.

That was definitely not my concern.

 

[random.person]

I completely fail to see how can that be a plot twist when there is nothing to twist from. Its just there as there could be a giant pink frog that appears and eat the orcs instead.

Maybe they changed the scene since last time I bothered reading it, but when I did it definitely was not a plot twist in any form.

It's a plot twist because the player notices Sabia is up to something, since speaking with Jadk she hints at how she will retaliate, but when you read the last scene it starts with her seemingly conceding to their desires. Then the situations turns 180 degrees and it's finally revealed what her plan was. The player knows she has something fishy in mind but not what, so the circumnstances under which it happens are a surprise and there's a plot twist since you are tricked into believing she is submitting to them.

I get why some people don't like this, usually in visual novels the player identifies with the character when it comes to agency, but here this pattern is broken because the narrative develops in a more objective way: at this point in time Sabia doesn't have enough sub points for her to accept being manhandled that way by orcs in a tavern. Even if the player wants a submissive outcome, objectively her stats don't allow for such extremes. All the other sub scenes up to that point, if I remember correctly, are indeed accepted by Sabia because of the advantages she can get from them, she isn't come to the point that she will happily oblige with all and any orc's requests. Thus, narratively that outcome is the most reasonable.
I'd have loved a totally submissive outcome, but that's some end-game tier stuff usually even in pure corruption games.

 

[bigpenniser]

It's a plot twist because the player notices Sabia is up to something, since speaking with Jadk she hints at how she will retaliate, but when you read the last scene it starts with her seemingly conceding to their desires. Then the situations turns 180 degrees and it's finally revealed what her plan was. The player knows she has something fishy in mind but not what, so the circumnstances under which it happens are a surprise and there's a plot twist since you are tricked into believing she is submitting to them.

I get why some people don't like this, usually in visual novels the player identifies with the character when it comes to agency, but here this pattern is broken because the narrative develops in a more objective way: at this point in time Sabia doesn't have enough sub points for her to accept being manhandled that way by orcs in a tavern. Even if the player wants a submissive outcome, objectively her stats don't allow for such extremes. All the other sub scenes up to that point, if I remember correctly, are indeed accepted by Sabia because of the advantages she can get from them, she isn't come to the point that she will happily oblige with all and any orc's requests. Thus, narratively that outcome is the most reasonable.
I'd have loved a totally submissive outcome, but that's some end-game tier stuff usually even in pure corruption games.

Kay, so the problem is that the last time I read it there was no scene where she was plotting something, and thus it was just the being a slut in the bar, and then some orcs randomly killing the other orcs when you go in the back.

Well, if the scene develops as you say now it is still garbage but at least the smell is explained.

 

[dzd1121]

The scene was always written that way. If you skipped the reading, then that's on you.
The alternate scene as a patreon reward might have been more submissive, but that was non-canon to the game itself.

 

[bigpenniser]

The scene was always written that way. If you skipped the reading, then that's on you.
The alternate scene as a patreon reward might have been more submissive, but that was non-canon to the game itself.

Nope. Either that or the game was bugged for ~2 releases and it didnt appear.

 

[Ripe]

Then it was changed after I stopped giving enough of a shit to read that again for the millionth time because last time I did read it it was exactly as I said.

Kay, so the problem is that the last time I read it there was no scene where she was plotting something, and thus it was just the being a slut in the bar, and then some orcs randomly killing the other orcs when you go in the back.

Well, if the scene develops as you say now it is still garbage but at least the smell is explained.

Nope. Either that or the game was bugged for ~2 releases and it didnt appear.

The game was always the same... but you'd miss the hints if all you read were the H-scenes and not their setup and follow up.

When you enter the bar to work you notice some rowdy orcs who spoke against you during the trial and you have Sabia thinking about having to do something about them since they will be a problem. Then you have a choice of serving them or not. If you choose to serve them you get the first scene where you can choose your response. If you choose to let it happen you start the chain that end up with them killed. You get additional hints about what Sabia is planning after 2nd and 3rd scene when Jadk ask if he should do something about them where Sabia told him not to worry because orcs like that are bound to make quite a few enemies.

 

[Ripe]

I also found the bar murder scene bizarre. Theres many things you would do before considering something that could get you permanently removed from society.
I guess it's a case of game design forcing a storyline.

Bizzare? No, in a society where "might make right" deciding to kill your enemies is always an option. True, if you get caught you'll suffer the consequences but not because you killed them, you'll suffer them because you were incompetent and got caught.

 

[baneini]

Bizzare? No, in a society where "might make right" deciding to kill your enemies is always an option. True, if you get caught you'll suffer the consequences but not because you killed them, but because you were incompetent and got caught.

"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
It's not a might makes right situation, it means having power in society which Sab doesn't, she is just a common murderer in this case.

 

[Ripe]

"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
It's not a might makes right situation, it means having power in society which Sab doesn't, she is just a common murderer in this case.

You're missing a point. Killing those orcs is valid option for Sabia because that's how the society she lives in work. If Sabia was caught she wouldn't suffer consequences because she killed those orcs. She'd suffer consequences because she was incompetent and got caught.

Nobody cares about those orcs she killed (not even the shaman who insisted on investigation!) because they're seen is incompetent for allowing themselves to get killed... which you can see from all those orcs being surprised that there is an investigation into those orcs disappearance.

 

[bigpenniser]

The game was always the same... but you'd miss the hints if all you read were the H-scenes and not their setup and follow up.

When you enter the bar to work you notice some rowdy orcs who spoke against you during the trial and you have Sabia thinking about having to do something about them since they will be a problem. Then you have a choice of serving them or not. If you choose to serve them you get the first scene where you can choose your response. If you choose to let it happen you start the chain that end up with them killed. You get additional hints about what Sabia is planning after 2nd and 3rd scene when Jadk ask if he should do something about them where Sabia told him not to worry because orcs like that are bound to make quite a few enemies.

Again, no. I didnt get even second or third scene, only one that I assume was the last scene.

The only things I skip are the ones that get skipped because you have already read them, except when I had to restart because the saved dont work.