VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[ahrimansiah]

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Hey guys. Nomo has been busy the past two weeks working on the new assets for the new areas that are upcoming. We're excited to give you a look at some of the new sprite-bases! You'll be seeing them in Whitecrest, and other human areas. These are the bases, and different faces and hair can be layered on top , giving us a fair few new useable models for different characters. We have some fun plans with them, and we're eager to have you guys be able to interact with them as you explore the world!

As mentioned in an earlier post - we've been having a look at combat. Nds has gone through, and reworked stats and contributions to stats to allow us to have more challenging/interesting fights/abilities. If you missed the previous post: currently Sabia's base stats are very low, and training/items can double or even triple her stats. This makes it difficult to create interesting fights as some people might have a very strong Sabia, and others might be playing a weak Sabia.

If you are interested in trying out the new combat and providing feedback/testing for it - please send us a message either here, or on discord. There will be no new scenes/dialogues/lore in the test client for this.

With writing, Monsinne has completed most of the new camp dialogues. A sub and a dom Sabia will now be talked to differently by some of the inhabitants of Grok og Dar. There are also a few events that will be handled different depending on your sub or dom values. Right now there's only a few, as it's the base level. Going forward we plan to add a couple of levels with different thresholds. Each time, the camp's attitude and their conversations with Sabia will continue along whichever path Sabia has chosen.

With regards to variant packs: we plan to have them out near the end of May, it got a bit delayed because of us trying to complete other content, but its half finished right now and will be prioritised.

Thanks for your continued support!

more characters?!!! dont take me wrong i love your art style but dont u think u have already ur hands full with correct characters and adding more will only lead to less progress on main story? :/

 

[Orthenos]

more characters?!!! dont take me wrong i love your art style but dont u think u have already ur hands full with correct characters and adding more will only lead to less progress on main story? :/

It has to happen unless you're happy with orc sprites with human hair and clothes pasted over them.

It's a necessity for areas that aren't orc territory. Any new area is going to need at least a few characters to populate it, and any area with different races will need characters of that race. These characters don't necessarily have to be important in the long term or appear outside a specific area, they just need to give those areas some distinction.

 

[saint751]

This makes me hopeful that Sabia will actually get some new clothes to wear too.
As for content, I agree that we don't need that many new characters given how much the roster has grown. I'd much rather see new and interesting combinations in the sexual stuff. Last update had a fair share of lesbian bondage, which is always welcome. I'd love to see Sabia keep exploring her kinky side with Neve. They have a lot of scenes together, but they were never really intimate one on one. Hoping to see that with some dom/sub variations.

 

[LoveWhores]

This makes me hopeful that Sabia will actually get some new clothes to wear too.
As for content, I agree that we don't need that many new characters given how much the roster has grown. I'd much rather see new and interesting combinations in the sexual stuff. Last update had a fair share of lesbian bondage, which is always welcome. I'd love to see Sabia keep exploring her kinky side with Neve. They have a lot of scenes together, but they were never really intimate one on one. Hoping to see that with some dom/sub variations.

I'm pretty sure Sabia will have more new clothes (even if it's not in this update in the time she will have),but i'm actually hope for a way to make her have more bigger tits and ass (may be with some poison or something else) - i like her now,how she look,but i will like her even more if i can make her with more bigger tits/ass!
About the content - i actually don't care,i am opened for a new characters and everything else,so i will like it even if have or not have more characters,but i thing if have more characters the game will be more longer and it will be more interesting! I agree with you for the sexual stuff,it will be very nice if Sabia have more and more sexual stuff - may be even if the "Ornshakar" orc really make her to work like a prostitute in the tents(like a revenge to her,nothing that she apologize to him in front of all orcs),this will be great!About Neve - i don't like her,yes she is not so bad,but after all i don't like her,so i don't really care,will Sabia have more sexual and kinky stuff with her or not,but the other characters (except Maply) are nice and i will like Sabia to have more sexual stuff with them!

 

[Cormac]

Any save from the last version?

 

[TheMagister]

I'm pretty sure Sabia will have more new clothes (even if it's not in this update in the time she will have),but i'm actually hope for a way to make her have more bigger tits and ass (may be with some poison or something else) - i like her now,how she look,but i will like her even more if i can make her with more bigger tits/ass!

How many story-based games do you know where a character has changing dimensions that aren't linked to one specific (linear) storyline? Not much I'd wager...there are ways around it, but creating different models (drawn or rendered) of the same character with different boob/ass/dick sizes, different hair,... for every scene is pretty insane and takes up a ton of work. I doubt they will go that way, unless it is forced in the story (which I doubt, unless they've completely done away with making Sabia her own character and gone back to the NN way of making the MC a cocksock)

 

[xGazo]

I'm pretty sure Sabia will have more new clothes (even if it's not in this update in the time she will have),but i'm actually hope for a way to make her have more bigger tits and ass (may be with some poison or something else) - i like her now,how she look,but i will like her even more if i can make her with more bigger tits/ass!
About the content - i actually don't care,i am opened for a new characters and everything else,so i will like it even if have or not have more characters,but i thing if have more characters the game will be more longer and it will be more interesting! I agree with you for the sexual stuff,it will be very nice if Sabia have more and more sexual stuff - may be even if the "Ornshakar" orc really make her to work like a prostitute in the tents(like a revenge to her,nothing that she apologize to him in front of all orcs),this will be great!About Neve - i don't like her,yes she is not so bad,but after all i don't like her,so i don't really care,will Sabia have more sexual and kinky stuff with her or not,but the other characters (except Maply) are nice and i will like Sabia to have more sexual stuff with them!

Neve+Maply interrogation scene was awesome I personally think they should put more lesbian scenes without yiva or Kia and less D

 

[Anmitsu]

Last day of may and still nuffin about bonus pack?

 

[baneini]

These threads sure slowed down after that 1 guy left the development team and presumably took the fans with them.
The amount of patrons didn't change much tho so thats interesting.

 

[souldead341]

These threads sure slowed down after that 1 guy left the development team and presumably took the fans with them.
The amount of patrons didn't change much tho so thats interesting.

Not really, It's just that there's basically nothing to talk about until whenever they release any info / a new update. There's a fair bit of discussion that pops up from time to time otherwise, but that's mostly along the lines of when's there going to be new info.

 

[Black fire eruption]

Hey dose any one have a new mega link to the bonuses the one in the op is dead

 

[ahrimansiah]

It has to happen unless you're happy with orc sprites with human hair and clothes pasted over them.

It's a necessity for areas that aren't orc territory. Any new area is going to need at least a few characters to populate it, and any area with different races will need characters of that race. These characters don't necessarily have to be important in the long term or appear outside a specific area, they just need to give those areas some distinction.

what u are talking about are NPCs and we can have some new male in fact we really do need new human/orc and other races male characters, THIS characters whoever looks more like side story characters such as cat girl and orc girl! which obviously lead to sex interaction with same copy paste spirit with hair different male characters which u did mention, its not a bad thing but it will delay the main story and reduce the amount of focus which can be putted on story characters which we have ALREADY!
i do believe such story characters which are for "being fucked role" should be added once main story have ended!
other way this only increase the work for the team and increase the chance of the game to be either abandoned or lead to weak story and plot (lets be honest this game have nothing except ART and STORY! there is no hot animation or 3d model so PLOT matters alot) !, and lets face it! ALL ADULT games have a high chance of being abandoned the longer they take due to many reasons!
and this game is too good, i dont wana see it abandoned or ruined down to a casual harem adult game

 

[Anmitsu]

I just wish they would have continued making RPGM Noxian Nights games, it was 10x better than this game.

It's good to see they are pivoting a bit and making it possible for Sabia to be more sub... Always seemed so strange for her to be in the position they wrote her into and have her be so dom towards an army of orcs while she was all alone.

Hopefully they improve the game, but I think I would rather see them wrap it up and go back to a more RPG type game.

I agree with you.
This game has great art, a better art and feels more polished but at the same time Sabia trying to be "a strong independent wahman" isn't doing it for me.
There's a sub route but it doesn't feel like sub route at all. She's alone in a fucking Orc camp for fuck sake! She should be getting dicked every morning and night.
Oh and there's waiting for new updates few months, doing nothing but clicking to skip dialogues and lack of communication.

 

[Wyrdsmithe]

I agree with you.
This game has great art, a better art and feels more polished but at the same time Sabia trying to be "a strong independent wahman" isn't doing it for me.
There's a sub route but it doesn't feel like sub route at all. She's alone in a fucking Orc camp for fuck sake! She should be getting dicked every morning and night.
Oh and there's waiting for new updates few months, doing nothing but clicking to skip dialogues and lack of communication.

Misogyny much?

 

[561397]

Bonus packs are out. Please let there be a generous soul who will share.

 

[ahrimansiah]

But it's not really misogyny though is it?

I mean if you look at how the story is written... They make it clear she is very vulnerable, she is alone in a camp of orcs, and in this world, orcs force themselves on women all the time, it is how they wrote their world. Orcs are not bound to any code of honor that prevents them from raping women, and they are not disgusted by humans either... They are only rapists when it is convenient to the scenario.

I am all for having a fantasy setting where the player decides if the protagonist is a slut or fights away her way out of non consensual sexual situations. But that is not how they handle it in this game. In this game, Sabia is alone in a camp that has utter contempt for her, yet many of the orcs comment on how good she looks. When she first arrives she is a weak fighter, and the game is designed to make her lose early encounters until you grind her into a more formidable warrior.

But even before she works herself into a fighting machine (which itself is surprising because we are lead to believe she is some respected fighter among humans, yet incapable of winning fights when you start), she gets herself out of NC situations simply by having a defiant attitude and slapping hands away...

It was just bad writing. Not the player's misogyny.

If you are going to have a female protagonist that can rise above the scum in early game, show us why... Don't paint your other faction as brutal rapey thugs, throw your gorgeous scantily clad female hero into a camp with hundreds (thousands?) of them, and then have her simply weasel out of all sexual situations simply because she holds them all in contempt, even though she can't fight for shit. All while she struts around the camp like she owns the place and knows the orcs can't do shit about it... GIVE US A REASON why she can behave this way and not get treated like these orcs treat other women, lol... Have the chief declare no one is to touch her in the opening or something, and then make it clear that those who do are at high risk of being killed by the leader.

It's just some stupid sex game though so none of us should be getting worked up over this crap. All some of us are saying is, they made a game with humiliation and rape as major themes... And they have a protagonist who acts more like she is in a post suffrage society or even a modern world instead of what the authors present to us. It's just silly, especially considering it is a game catered towards the NSFW crowd.

The cognitive dissonance in this game is glaring, and it just drags down the experience. Even though it is a sex game, at least try to have some consistency in the world you create.

There are just so many ways they could have handled Sabia better, what they actually do just makes aspects of the game meh. Riven and the world she was in was written better, Noxian Nights knew what it was... We play these games for their pornographic nature, not for some soapboxing.. It's like they decided to shoehorn in half baked ideas for characters that do not at all fit into their surroundings. You want a strong woman, that is good - build it into the game in a more convincing manner, plus it isn't going to win you any awards with the twoX crowd, it's a fucking sex game full of rape and bestiality ffs...

dont you think that would make it way boring and bland? if the female only get dicked by orcs every second of the game and act as a fuck meat that will kill the whole mood of breaking her or her submit into being an orc whore!

 

[BleepRose]

But it's not really misogyny though is it?

I mean if you look at how the story is written... They make it clear she is very vulnerable, she is alone in a camp of orcs, and in this world, orcs force themselves on women all the time, it is how they wrote their world. Orcs are not bound to any code of honor that prevents them from raping women, and they are not disgusted by humans either... They are only rapists when it is convenient to the scenario.

I am all for having a fantasy setting where the player decides if the protagonist is a slut or fights away her way out of non consensual sexual situations. But that is not how they handle it in this game. In this game, Sabia is alone in a camp that has utter contempt for her, yet many of the orcs comment on how good she looks. When she first arrives she is a weak fighter, and the game is designed to make her lose early encounters until you grind her into a more formidable warrior.

But even before she works herself into a fighting machine (which itself is surprising because we are lead to believe she is some respected fighter among humans, yet incapable of winning fights when you start), she gets herself out of NC situations simply by having a defiant attitude and slapping hands away...

It was just bad writing. Not the player's misogyny.

If you are going to have a female protagonist that can rise above the scum in early game, show us why... Don't paint your other faction as brutal rapey thugs, throw your gorgeous scantily clad female hero into a camp with hundreds (thousands?) of them, and then have her simply weasel out of all sexual situations simply because she holds them all in contempt, even though she can't fight for shit. All while she struts around the camp like she owns the place and knows the orcs can't do shit about it... GIVE US A REASON why she can behave this way and not get treated like these orcs treat other women, lol... Have the chief declare no one is to touch her in the opening or something, and then make it clear that those who do are at high risk of being killed by the leader.

It's just some stupid sex game though so none of us should be getting worked up over this crap. All some of us are saying is, they made a game with humiliation and rape as major themes... And they have a protagonist who acts more like she is in a post suffrage society or even a modern world instead of what the authors present to us. It's just silly, especially considering it is a game catered towards the NSFW crowd.

The cognitive dissonance in this game is glaring, and it just drags down the experience. Even though it is a sex game, at least try to have some consistency in the world you create.

There are just so many ways they could have handled Sabia better, what they actually do just makes aspects of the game meh. Riven and the world she was in was written better, Noxian Nights knew what it was... We play these games for their pornographic nature, not for some soapboxing.. It's like they decided to shoehorn in half baked ideas for characters that do not at all fit into their surroundings. You want a strong woman, that is good - build it into the game in a more convincing manner, plus it isn't going to win you any awards with the twoX crowd, it's a fucking sex game full of rape and bestiality ffs...

Jesus Christ so many words for nonsense. It's made clear through out that the orcs aren't rape monsters and have standards amongst themselves. That's just what the humans think of them. That's why they removed the initial rape scene from the game because it didn't fit the tone. You're not engaging with the actual text and instead you've created a whole thing in your head.

 

[Wyrdsmithe]

To add on to what others have said (thank you by the way!) - the phrase I was most calling out was "Sabia trying to be "a strong independent wahman" isn't doing it for me."
It's really hard to frame that as anything but a misogynistic phrase.

If you want a rapey gangbang-y game, more power to you. I enjoy that kind of stuff when properly set up and I know nobody is actually being harmed in real life - much as I'm a pretty ardent feminist, I have my fantasies of heavy submission, breeding, all that fun stuff. But very clearly the tone of game they intended to create is not one where the protagonist and women in general get raped left right and center - and even then, they have the (quite nice) bad ends for that sort of content.

And, as others have said, it's clear the orcs A: Respect someone who can handle themselves, which Sabia evidently can, and B: aren't bloodthirsty slavering beasts. The female orc who shows up in camp is quite clearly very well respected - even if lusted after - and we see no evidence of her requiring protection. Were this my own work, I would probably have written something about Sabia - if not a mage herself, having received some sort of magical enhancement to boost her strength, speed, and endurance - to explain why she can take on heavily armored enemies and giant muscle bound orcs the size of grizzly bears, but that has nothing to do with her being female.

But I digress. I think the world is fairly well realized, and Sabia is well on her way to becoming an interesting character.

All that said, I am very much looking forward to getting to sub the fuck out of her to the shack man Ornshakar.

 

[Skarfaze]

Anyone feel like posting the update post ? would be much appreciated.

 

[Anmitsu]

Misogyny much?

No, reality much.

dont you think that would make it way boring and bland? if the female only get dicked by orcs every second of the game and act as a fuck meat that will kill the whole mood of breaking her or her submit into being an orc whore!

Good, that's what the sub route is for.

Jesus Christ so many words for nonsense. It's made clear through out that the orcs aren't rape monsters and have standards amongst themselves. That's just what the humans think of them. That's why they removed the initial rape scene from the game because it didn't fit the tone. You're not engaging with the actual text and instead you've created a whole thing in your head.

Sure and earth is flat buddy.

I'm a pretty ardent feminist

I think that's all I need to read.

Btw to all of you - I don't care if I'm being "misogynistic". I just want the things from this game which work for me the best, same thing everybody here wants.