It doesn't help being a dick...thanks bro
I dont know english so much, SEARCHING just alone hard to me even i was searched and couldnt find anything about this.
People dont know making EMPATHY nowadays.
CourierNPC
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Well, people do know empathy, but I believe by visiting and reading this thread and JDMOD thread first (emphasis on the word "first") would've be an awesome addition before going guns blazing and using caps lock to give your question a little bit harsh "oomph" to it. I mean no disrespect in writing this, of course.thanks, bro
I don't know English so much, SEARCHING just alone hard to me even I was searched and couldn't find anything about this.
People don't know making EMPATHY nowadays.
Have a good day.
RC-1138 Boss
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No empathy for people who don't even bother to read before asking a question that was already asked several times.
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Anmitsu
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Don't even joke like that.
It's dangerous.
Viressa
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"Abandoned" means there's been 6 months with no communication with the developers: There was a news post on the patreon just last week. Calm your titties.
ijako3
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3-4 months basically is a new timeline for updates for most bigger games.
Year from now it will be probably 5-6 months on regular basis.
baneini
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Games with some form of gameplay and 2d art take a while since both drawing and programming take significant amount of time relative to writing and posing 3d models. Add in map design, sound effects/music, inventory/clothing systems and debugging and they really take a while.
The VNs with daz models have always been done at 1 month period to fit the patreon model, 2d games that tried to do that model ended up with monthly updates that took 5 mins to complete.
Depends, you should balance the team/game design so that it wont go that far.
A speedy writer can work on multiple games at the same time while others take care of art like how sierra lee does. If you were to build a team that makes 2d art to satisfy all the written scenes you'd need 2-3 artists full time and someone else to program.
So a big game team would be 1 writer 1 coder, 3 artists + someone with creative vision, and they would produce patches every 3-4 months.
ijako3
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Well, most bigger VN's with daz models also get produced like 3 or more months now.
There are games that still do every month or month and a half updates, but not that many anymore.
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F95 won't say the game is abandoned even if there was no update for a year, as long as stuff is happening on Patreon, just look at Dual family.
Genuinely dislike the lack of attention F95 put into (lack of) tags and inability to see context in some cases, like Dual family once again
Genuinely dislike the lack of attention F95 put into (lack of) tags and inability to see context in some cases, like Dual family once again
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Speaking as someone who has been working hard at learning to draw - art takes a fair bit of time. Something a lot of you aren't factoring in is all the time required for background art, miscellaneous items, things whose presence you don't notice but whose absence you absolutely will notice. I see a lot of complaining about lack of new CGs, or that all the CGs are orcs or whatnot - and yet when the devs take the time to make those new CGs and write all the new code required, there's instead complaining about them taking too much time when you just want to see Sabia get fucked.
I know most of you have no tits, but calm them anyway.
I know most of you have no tits, but calm them anyway.
TheSexinati
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That's not fair at all!
Afterall, there is this phenomenon known as 'Man-tits'...
You've gotta think of the chubby people, or else you could be labelled a fat-shamer!
Anmitsu
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I so hope the fat-shamer part is a joke.That's not fair at all!
Afterall, there is this phenomenon known as 'Man-tits'...
You've gotta think of the chubby people, or else you could be labelled a fat-shamer!
RC-1138 Boss
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Pretty sure most know but don't care since this doesn't go well with all their doomsayer and armchair dev speech.
I think most people see the lack of open communication from them and get a negative "doomsayer" approach to it. And (I'll say this again) I don't remember seeing much if any people actually saying they know or could do better at developing a game, aka being an armchair dev. Lots of writing off the game / dev as hopeless at this point and a hell of a lot of "I want more [insert my fetish]", but no actual claims of being able to do it better.
And I think that a fair number of the "doomsayers" are like me, and want to see if Hreinn's claims that "after this update things will speed up" will end up being true (this at least the third update they've claimed things will speed up) or if the updates after this one will have more scenes (the in progress game update is when they started claiming this).
RC-1138 Boss
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What lack of communication? They are always talking with their patrons and frankly us F95 Zone pirates aren't entitled to anything from them. When a developer or a patron post any game related news/ updated versions here they are doing us a favor, nothing else.
I will, however, concede that the armchair folks seems to have reduce their "counsel" in the last few weeks.
They post an update about once a month. Personally I (and many others) feel that they should be giving more updates, even if they're set to patreons only. Additionally, some people on this site have said their discord isn't any better for communication. While I have no way to confirm the discord part, I feel that that's far from "always".
I've said this many times in the thread, but thinking as an outsider seeing their patreon for the first time, I personally would be hesitant to support them based on both their actual game updates and the lack of news posts they make (whether I could read the content or not). To not show activity on a publicly funded project, be it continuous like patreon or a limited time fund like kickstarter, means that anyone finding the project for the first time is far less likely to support it. (And yes, I have no real evidence of that last point, but it just makes sense that you wouldn't sign up with something that's not being updated as far as you can tell).
As for us being "nothing but pirates" on this site, that's far from true. It's through sites like this that I personally (and I'd guess many others as well) look for games and developers that we're interested in. If we like them we support them. I used to support a number of patreon campaigns which I found through other "pirate sites", most of them began to slow or outright stop updates and I stopped support, the rest I stopped after I could no longer afford it. There are some patreon projects I may consider supporting or legit copies of games I'd buy in the future if my financial situation improves, all from finding them on sites like this. Heirnn is one I used to support back in the NN days. I stopped because I wasn't sure about the initial info they game about KoD, and at this point I personally would never support them again based on the lengthening time between updates and the communication.