I don't want it to sound like a counter-argument, however consider the fact that there are numerous of examples in this game of one "blueprint" of a scene used in tons of others 
All side-shots of Sabia in kennels or whatever are exactly the same as for example Elmy in tavern under the table. Only things that differs are surroundings(which I believe are also reusable) and heads of main characters of the scene. There are ofc also other "scenes" being reused I am not a graphic designer so can't really tell what is easier to do, drawing 2d in rather mediocre but satisfying fashion or putting a 3d scene where there are also many possible problems of which sunlight is the least. I would(with my non-professional expertise) still consider 2d as being more challenging, but this game is on-going for how long now ? And I'm pretty sure it is not first experience of Nomo in drawing gals being raped by orcs with their huge, green and gray-ish cocks xP
Anyway, just wanted to take small part in convo not really in a manner of taking any of sides bcs personally at this point I am not waiting for update anymore. When it comes it comes. Kinda came to agreement with myself. I am not patreon, I am a leech as most of ppl here, so have really no leverage for whining other than my privileged, entitled ass
All side-shots of Sabia in kennels or whatever are exactly the same as for example Elmy in tavern under the table. Only things that differs are surroundings(which I believe are also reusable) and heads of main characters of the scene. There are ofc also other "scenes" being reused I am not a graphic designer so can't really tell what is easier to do, drawing 2d in rather mediocre but satisfying fashion or putting a 3d scene where there are also many possible problems of which sunlight is the least. I would(with my non-professional expertise) still consider 2d as being more challenging, but this game is on-going for how long now ? And I'm pretty sure it is not first experience of Nomo in drawing gals being raped by orcs with their huge, green and gray-ish cocks xP Anyway, just wanted to take small part in convo not really in a manner of taking any of sides bcs personally at this point I am not waiting for update anymore. When it comes it comes. Kinda came to agreement with myself. I am not patreon, I am a leech as most of ppl here, so have really no leverage for whining other than my privileged, entitled ass
Viressa
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hakarlman
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Hopefully the devs take their time and tack on another 1 or 2 weeks, you know just in case, to make sure the game is bug free.
Kerlon
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this is why I prefered hreinngames to keep making games on RPG Maker, sure it's not perfect but you only have to make artworks for the h-scenes and some busts. The way KoD is intented to be, to have several different towns and races, have RPG combat, RPG Maker would have been a no brainer.
Renpy is more suited for story telling games where they use a handful of backgrounds, the same busts, and ALOT of text, like the japanese visual novels do.
Renpy is more suited for story telling games where they use a handful of backgrounds, the same busts, and ALOT of text, like the japanese visual novels do.
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I don't think the engine is the problem at all. Their main problem is the the lack of communication. They posted 9 update posts since the last update 5 months ago. Some creators do weekly journals, just to keep their patrons informed on the status of the project.
So I got curious and took a look at the scenes you mentioned and.. is this what you're reffering to?I don't want it to sound like a counter-argument, however consider the fact that there are numerous of examples in this game of one "blueprint" of a scene used in tons of others
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Viressa
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Pretty sure they meant this:
Which is very clearly a completely different drawing, just because the poses are similar doesn't mean the work is re-used. Perhaps they meant the bonus packs, but that's kinda the whole point of the bonus packs? They're edited variant scenes, produced quickly (relatively speaking) to have an extra for patreon supporters.
Which is very clearly a completely different drawing, just because the poses are similar doesn't mean the work is re-used. Perhaps they meant the bonus packs, but that's kinda the whole point of the bonus packs? They're edited variant scenes, produced quickly (relatively speaking) to have an extra for patreon supporters.
^ Still easily the best scene in the game imo
Wyrdsmithe
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Weighing in again with wannabe artist perspective on the reuse of art - what Viressa said is correct. Just because the pose is similar does not mean you can reuse the art assets. The pose may be similar - but the effort to alter them to match each other and reuse assets would be significant enough that you'd have zero gain in the end. Their hips are in different positions and at different angles, their legs are spread differently, the ribcage and arms are also positioned very differently, and the anatomy itself is different - Elmy has much more prominent ribcage and no visible abdominal muscles unlike Sabia, not even mentioning the differing levels of curve. The poses are similar, art is absolutely different and not reused.
The examples he picked were incorrect, but reuses happened several times already. The three major cases were the tent scenes (including the bjs, tekrok's teams and two bad ends), every dancer scene so far and of course most scenes in 0.8 on Rokgrid and Tekrok's path.
But to clarify, i support reuses and i still believe this game could handle a bit more of them.
Looking at it from another angle i think there are very few games on this forum that can match KoD. I'm no expert in any way and i don't claim to know them all, so correct me, but among the games with 2d art i know about only 3-4 competes with KoD on either the number of art or the art/monthly update category:
The Opala games and Roundscape both have large libraries, but they do so by commissioning lots of artists. And Third Crisis and a couple of other games don't draw backgrounds, just like NN did.
So unless i'm missing something, most developers which "outperform" Hreinn in the terms of volume, do so by game design decision. This game has a single artists which is both a power in the form of a coherent style and a drawback due to the limitations of Nomo being a single person with limited time and energy.
But to clarify, i support reuses and i still believe this game could handle a bit more of them.
Looking at it from another angle i think there are very few games on this forum that can match KoD. I'm no expert in any way and i don't claim to know them all, so correct me, but among the games with 2d art i know about only 3-4 competes with KoD on either the number of art or the art/monthly update category:
The Opala games and Roundscape both have large libraries, but they do so by commissioning lots of artists. And Third Crisis and a couple of other games don't draw backgrounds, just like NN did.
So unless i'm missing something, most developers which "outperform" Hreinn in the terms of volume, do so by game design decision. This game has a single artists which is both a power in the form of a coherent style and a drawback due to the limitations of Nomo being a single person with limited time and energy.
Is there a way to unlock all of the gallery scenes without playing them first?
Also, can I make Sabia walk around nude?
Also, can I make Sabia walk around nude?
Bytrain
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Wrong. At least Monsinne is working full time on the game.
Also Nomo is almost 24/7 online in their discord. I doubt he would have discord always open at his "main" job.
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Don't expect a lot of sexual content in this update, they said repeatedly that is going to have a lot of assets (NPC, backgrounds etc) but not a lot sexual content. They promised that after this update they will delivery only sex scenes because the assets are done.
Kerlon
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yes, this is clear from their last 2 patreon messages. I hope that the scenes for the side characters got cut for this update.