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Given the opportunity they're milking out their patreons.
Why bother when you can get 5.5k $ a month regardless?
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Why bother when you can get 5.5k $ a month regardless?
- May 24, 2018
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A couple of things you may not have considered.
1. The developers of this all have day jobs, nobody is doing this game full time.
2. The content of each update is absolutely huge compared to other games on this site. Most games are developed on a pace of 1 or 2 scenes every 2 weeks, or 4 or 5 scenes every 2 months. This game's updates have 8+, it's not surprising they take longer.
3. This game is all 2D art with hand-drawn backgrounds. This is far slower to produce than Daz3D renders made from premade assets.
- May 30, 2018
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Amateur and still very inexperienced artist chiming in here - drawing detailed 2d scenes by hand takes sooooooooooo much longer than posing some models in SFM or Daz3D. To create a light source in a 3d engine, you drag and drop a piece, adjust the intensity - and bam! Shading, light, everything is done for you automatically - it takes around ten minutes in say, SFM. 2d art? It takes years of practice to be able to do it faithfully and well, to say nothing of doing it fast. For me, at least, basic shading takes a few hours to do on a single character - to say nothing of the much more detailed and complex rendering involved in Nomo's art style. Assuming Nomo and the devs are all working real jobs (because let's be honest, 5-6k a month, split three ways, won't go very far if they're living in say, most of the USA or Western/Central Europe. It would be enough to live comfortably in a country like Romania, Turkey, or Vietnam, but I somewhat doubt they live there. And even then, the entirety of the income they receive from patreon wouldn't go far for a single person if living in a place like California where the average rent is well over a thousand dollars a month, and well into two or three thousand in the major cities.) then they would likely have an average of eight hours out of the day to work on this game, but you cannot expect them to devote the entirety of their non working waking hours to yet more work.
I don't want it to sound like a counter-argument, however consider the fact that there are numerous of examples in this game of one "blueprint" of a scene used in tons of others 
All side-shots of Sabia in kennels or whatever are exactly the same as for example Elmy in tavern under the table. Only things that differs are surroundings(which I believe are also reusable) and heads of main characters of the scene. There are ofc also other "scenes" being reused I am not a graphic designer so can't really tell what is easier to do, drawing 2d in rather mediocre but satisfying fashion or putting a 3d scene where there are also many possible problems of which sunlight is the least. I would(with my non-professional expertise) still consider 2d as being more challenging, but this game is on-going for how long now ? And I'm pretty sure it is not first experience of Nomo in drawing gals being raped by orcs with their huge, green and gray-ish cocks xP
Anyway, just wanted to take small part in convo not really in a manner of taking any of sides bcs personally at this point I am not waiting for update anymore. When it comes it comes. Kinda came to agreement with myself. I am not patreon, I am a leech as most of ppl here, so have really no leverage for whining other than my privileged, entitled ass
All side-shots of Sabia in kennels or whatever are exactly the same as for example Elmy in tavern under the table. Only things that differs are surroundings(which I believe are also reusable) and heads of main characters of the scene. There are ofc also other "scenes" being reused I am not a graphic designer so can't really tell what is easier to do, drawing 2d in rather mediocre but satisfying fashion or putting a 3d scene where there are also many possible problems of which sunlight is the least. I would(with my non-professional expertise) still consider 2d as being more challenging, but this game is on-going for how long now ? And I'm pretty sure it is not first experience of Nomo in drawing gals being raped by orcs with their huge, green and gray-ish cocks xP Anyway, just wanted to take small part in convo not really in a manner of taking any of sides bcs personally at this point I am not waiting for update anymore. When it comes it comes. Kinda came to agreement with myself. I am not patreon, I am a leech as most of ppl here, so have really no leverage for whining other than my privileged, entitled ass
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Hopefully the devs take their time and tack on another 1 or 2 weeks, you know just in case, to make sure the game is bug free.
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this is why I prefered hreinngames to keep making games on RPG Maker, sure it's not perfect but you only have to make artworks for the h-scenes and some busts. The way KoD is intented to be, to have several different towns and races, have RPG combat, RPG Maker would have been a no brainer.
Renpy is more suited for story telling games where they use a handful of backgrounds, the same busts, and ALOT of text, like the japanese visual novels do.
Renpy is more suited for story telling games where they use a handful of backgrounds, the same busts, and ALOT of text, like the japanese visual novels do.
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I don't think the engine is the problem at all. Their main problem is the the lack of communication. They posted 9 update posts since the last update 5 months ago. Some creators do weekly journals, just to keep their patrons informed on the status of the project.
So I got curious and took a look at the scenes you mentioned and.. is this what you're reffering to?I don't want it to sound like a counter-argument, however consider the fact that there are numerous of examples in this game of one "blueprint" of a scene used in tons of others
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- May 24, 2018
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Pretty sure they meant this:
Which is very clearly a completely different drawing, just because the poses are similar doesn't mean the work is re-used. Perhaps they meant the bonus packs, but that's kinda the whole point of the bonus packs? They're edited variant scenes, produced quickly (relatively speaking) to have an extra for patreon supporters.
Which is very clearly a completely different drawing, just because the poses are similar doesn't mean the work is re-used. Perhaps they meant the bonus packs, but that's kinda the whole point of the bonus packs? They're edited variant scenes, produced quickly (relatively speaking) to have an extra for patreon supporters.
^ Still easily the best scene in the game imo
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Weighing in again with wannabe artist perspective on the reuse of art - what Viressa said is correct. Just because the pose is similar does not mean you can reuse the art assets. The pose may be similar - but the effort to alter them to match each other and reuse assets would be significant enough that you'd have zero gain in the end. Their hips are in different positions and at different angles, their legs are spread differently, the ribcage and arms are also positioned very differently, and the anatomy itself is different - Elmy has much more prominent ribcage and no visible abdominal muscles unlike Sabia, not even mentioning the differing levels of curve. The poses are similar, art is absolutely different and not reused.
The examples he picked were incorrect, but reuses happened several times already. The three major cases were the tent scenes (including the bjs, tekrok's teams and two bad ends), every dancer scene so far and of course most scenes in 0.8 on Rokgrid and Tekrok's path.
But to clarify, i support reuses and i still believe this game could handle a bit more of them.
Looking at it from another angle i think there are very few games on this forum that can match KoD. I'm no expert in any way and i don't claim to know them all, so correct me, but among the games with 2d art i know about only 3-4 competes with KoD on either the number of art or the art/monthly update category:
The Opala games and Roundscape both have large libraries, but they do so by commissioning lots of artists. And Third Crisis and a couple of other games don't draw backgrounds, just like NN did.
So unless i'm missing something, most developers which "outperform" Hreinn in the terms of volume, do so by game design decision. This game has a single artists which is both a power in the form of a coherent style and a drawback due to the limitations of Nomo being a single person with limited time and energy.
But to clarify, i support reuses and i still believe this game could handle a bit more of them.
Looking at it from another angle i think there are very few games on this forum that can match KoD. I'm no expert in any way and i don't claim to know them all, so correct me, but among the games with 2d art i know about only 3-4 competes with KoD on either the number of art or the art/monthly update category:
The Opala games and Roundscape both have large libraries, but they do so by commissioning lots of artists. And Third Crisis and a couple of other games don't draw backgrounds, just like NN did.
So unless i'm missing something, most developers which "outperform" Hreinn in the terms of volume, do so by game design decision. This game has a single artists which is both a power in the form of a coherent style and a drawback due to the limitations of Nomo being a single person with limited time and energy.
Is there a way to unlock all of the gallery scenes without playing them first?
Also, can I make Sabia walk around nude?
Also, can I make Sabia walk around nude?
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Wrong. At least Monsinne is working full time on the game.
Also Nomo is almost 24/7 online in their discord. I doubt he would have discord always open at his "main" job.
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