VN Ren'Py Abandoned Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

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I don't recall anyone claiming to be able to make the game better, though there has been some calling it dead recently. There has been plenty of "I want more of my kink" and "they should be more transparent in their release squedule, progress and development time".

And frankly, on the internet you always end up with either a positive or negative extreme on thread (or forum in general), especially a very long running one. I personally find the overly positive ass kissing extreme far worse than the everything sucks extreme (which is generally what this thread is in during the time between updates). I find the overly positive threads also tend to be far worse whenever anyone expresses a different thought from the hive mind.

And, as I've said in the last few days here, I have no confidence in what hreinn says about future development time speeding up until they manage to do it for a year or so, to show that the "big update" they're working on now actually helped the development time or if the updates get larger in terms of scenes and story progress.

I agree. I'm hopeful for Hreinn to continue production on KoD as much as they can, but at the same time, at this point I distrust anything they say about their speed and estimated dates. They've clearly proven that they're bad judges of their own production speed. Still, I'm holding out to see if they can fulfil their promise with this next 'big update'

 

[isdn]

Dunno if this is the correct place for that, but I honestly would just love for them to go with something similiar to Noxian Nights, RPGM seemed to have worked out better for them.
Take Piltover as a setting for example. Lots of potentially good characters like Caitlyn, Jinx, Vi, Janna, hell the characters wouldnt even need to be from that region, do a vote and see which ones are favoured most.
Also, stuff like chemtech, hextech, chemdrugs or whatever, you name it, also make for interesting concepts game and artwise.

Not saying I generally dislike KoD or its characters, but I feel like if they would stick with something similar to NN just reimagined with a new setting and such, am I the only one feeling this way?

Would love to hear some opinions on this.

 

[Anmitsu]

Spoiler: Update

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So... does it still apply?

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Try reading the whole text instead of cherry picking?

 

[Anmitsu]

Try reading the whole text instead of cherry picking?

I did before posting so what about it?
I thought they still aim to release the update before the end of the month.

 

[Hourglass]

I did before posting so what about it?
I thought they still aim to release the update before the end of the month.

Here Update means new information not new content i believe

 

[Anmitsu]

Here Update means new information not new content i believe

Oh come on now...
That'd make more sense though.

 

[serkcar]

"Kingdom of Deception" indeed.

Fantastic game, yet all good things must end.

 

[Anmitsu]

At this point I don't even care about the update anymore.
I'm just legit mad lol.

 

[FlipFish]

In the end the real Kingdom of Deception was the friends Sabia made along the way.

 

[stefanella]

^ And the two of them spitroasted all of their patreons and lived happily ever after.

 

[Vyacheslav Grinko]

This game should be listed in the abandoned tier its been 4 month and i have already forgot almost all of the stories and the quest if in the next update they release only 5 scenes i probably quit this game

 

[Not_A_Horse]

This game should be listed in the abandoned tier its been 4 month and i have already forgot almost all of the stories and the quest if in the next update they release only 5 scenes i probably quit this game

The devs wrote an update about the state of the game, it's not abandoned.

 

[Anmitsu]

This game should be listed in the abandoned tier its been 4 month and i have already forgot almost all of the stories and the quest if in the next update they release only 5 scenes i probably quit this game

>5 scenes
Well, you're positive fellow, aren't you?

 

[TheHiddenOne]

I think the problem of this game is the lack of a good project leader.

If I read the reports from the devs -and assume they are sincere- then the problem sounds an awful lot of delay because of feature creep...

Every time they want to add another good idea to the pile, which makes it more complicated and pushes the release day farther away.

If you look at Sierras work, you will notice that she loves to do a lot at once and also loves to try out new stuff in her games.
In NN she was more careful, but when they started with KoD, she made an ambitious plan for the game AND switched the engine up.

If we assume that she and Nomo parted on decent terms, than we can assume that he has a similiar mindset.
Since images are often the bottleneck in this kinds of games, him also being the creative lead slows down the ammount of sex scenes. Introducing new characters -which he needs to design- and adding more background images increases his workloud further.

So all in all, I think they mean what they write but their constant attempts to make the game even better is breaking their backs.

If I compare this group with Venus Noir (the guys behind Seeds of Chaos) you can really see the difference.
Alioch seems to be a competent project leader, he coordinates and delegates writing and imaging and releases the updates on time. He also seems to have a good sense for cut-off points. Also VNs decision to release the versions with pictureless sex scenes really helps to allow the players to see the progress of the game - and the fact that images really are a bottleneck.

An example for ambitious solo-projects would be Luxee and Darktoz. Both are not the fastest but their supporters are well informed because both give their status often and are honest with their progress (and problems).

And lastly, to examples of games that are.. not well managed and still manage to make timely progress:
Sierra Lee herself is an example, she constantly starts sideprojects, but somehow keeps her updates more or less stable.
But he is a writer first and foremost and inserting her in a project that needs more than her (impressive) writing speed is a dangerous gamble.

 

[WiccaWicked]

Pretty sure they Hreinn just deleted my last comment on their update. It wasn't accusatory of anything other than Hreinn being SUPER bad at talking to their community. That, and that if this next update sucks, game is kill.

 

[Xill]

So if each update takes longer, when are they going to finish it?

 

[Lucyfer001]

Does anyone know how to get Fire moss?

If there is a code for it, I would ask for it

 

[Tavarokk]

Has the ability to stip naked been implemented at some point, or is it only possible to switch between outfits?

 

[Anita Deek]

Has the ability to stip naked been implemented at some point, or is it only possible to switch between outfits?

No stripping yet.