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tanstaafl

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"policing words" is an attempt to shut down the conversation, dude.
No, it was a lazy sentence.
You're doing exactly what you are claiming you are against.
No I'm not.
If you are going to call the following a square:
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I'm going to correct you. And - I may even copy/paste a definition just so you see why it's not a square, but a circle.
He said shemale, and he's from france, and he expressed surprise at the American changes to acceptance. (Intent again)
Hermaphodite outside of scholastic and medical fields in the past (and to this day) was always offensive. Again, it goes to Carlin's comment about White Christian males making the rules and controlling the language.

The word has been used as a pejorative for decades. Not just the last decade or so. It wasn't ever accepted - accept in porn and to be used as an insult. AON and I are the same age. We can teach old dogs new tricks.

I didn't chastise him. First, I showed shock and disbelief. When he repeated it, I then stated why I was shocked. After my post, AON then went to look up his mistake and then found why. But, if a person continues to repeat the mistake - it becomes less a mistake and more appearing as an intent. Such as this exchange - your intent is very clear ... and then, yes, chastisement may be necessary.
Did you tell the entire group of people that used the word openly for decades. I'm as old as you, lol. I remember it being used freely, if not medically. Not everything is a text book, man. Jesus.
 

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Nope, I loved it. I loved being a people's servant and striving for a better future, a better planet, a better home for all of us. But some things changed in my life about 5 years ago and so I made a change in careers into literature, composition, creative writing within higher education.
That's awesome. I always wanted to go into something having to do with lit (it was a minor) other than writing books I'll never try to get published.
 

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True, and I can get behind not doing that. But couldn't it also be the opposite. A way to foster a wider public understanding?
True. It's not a sure thing what the outcome would be, so I think I'd leave it specifically to the people with said conditions whether they think something is inappropriate. Having said that, my grandpa's old army buddies preferred the term Shell Shock because of how badass it sounds. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Both are hard sounding words though. Both have impact. That doesn't necessarily bring about inclusion.
I'm so tired of that word. People suffering from a serious issue like PTSD or whatever it's called now shouldn't worry about inclusion (accept friends and family of course), they should worry about healing.
 
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I remember it being used freely, if not medically.
Used freely?! What circles did you run around in?

It was used in biology class in school. When we learned it - some of the kids that would be considered bullies (and some jokesters) used it to insult other kids.

I call bullshit.
He said shemale, and he's from france, and he expressed surprised at the American changes to acceptance. (Intent again)
Dude, you're making an excuse - not a reason. Yes, AON is from France - but he knew the term (even if he defined it in the wrong way) - It wasn't a new thing that "shemale" is not a nice word. You're moving your goalposts or attempting to find an alternate excuse.

Again, I am not criticizing that he used it once. I showed shock "Wow. Just. Wow.", dismay "Really???", incredulity "face palm emoji" the first time he used it. The second time he used it, I was quite clear why I was shocked and dismayed. Then he looked it up and realized-- correcting himself.

Everyone else then decided to jump.

Interesting how AON and I seem to be having a much calmer and more reasonable conversation over this than everyone else.
IMO you hit the real argument against it. Shell shock implies battle issue, which isn't the case.
Truth. And that is why the psychological field ceased using "shell shock" - because they realized PTSD happened to many people due to a variety of issues and so they changed the term they used in order to be more correct.
 

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I'm so tired of that word. People suffering from a serious issue like PTSD or whatever it's called now shouldn't worry about inclusion (accept friends and family of course), they should worry about healing.
Well I'd agree with the healing part, but the word use was just a result of you using the word leper.
 
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Used freely?! What circles did you run around in?

It was used in biology class in school. When we learned it - some of the kids that would be considered bullies (and some jokesters) used it to insult other kids.

I call bullshit.
Midwest (Missouri). 70s and 80s. heh. You are wrong. And if you pull a "I'm from the midwest" then you didn't fucking pay attention.

It wasn't a new thing that "shemale" is not a nice word.
Here.
 

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Again, I am not criticizing that he used it once. I showed shock "Wow. Just. Wow.", dismay "Really???", incredulity "face palm emoji" the first time he used it. The second time he used it, I was quite clear why I was shocked and dismayed. Then he looked it up and realized-- correcting himself.
My whole, and only, issue is that your second response should have been your first, that's all. No hard feelings or anything.
 
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IMO you hit the real argument against it. Shell shock implies battle issue, which isn't the case.
Battle Fatigue! I just reminded myself what the second accepted term was. I can see why they dumped that easier than I can see why they dumped shell shock. At least shell shock could be used as a euphemism for trauma.
 

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Midwest. 70s and 80s. heh. You are wrong. And if you pull a "I'm from the midwest" then you didn't fucking pay attention.


Here.
How was it used?

Because yes - I was born in the midwest - nearly the most mid of the mid of the midwest (north-south, east-west). More midwest than you, in fact. And I grew up in the 70s and 80s.


And everywhere.

I'd copy and paste some data - but oh noes, someone thinks that is verboten to show support for statements. /s
My whole, and only, issue is that your second response should have been your first, that's all. No hard feelings or anything.
And it almost was - but I thought saying that up front would have been looked like I was lecturing. Much of what I put in the second post I had deleted from the first post before I hit "reply" button.

I don't have hard feelings. I don't hold grudges, either.

No hard feelings.
 
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Because yes - I was born in the midwest - nearly the most mid of the mid of the midwest (north-south, east-west). More midwest than you, in fact. And I grew up in the 70s and 80s.
Hmm, I'ma need some evidence. How many Carhartt jackets do you own?
 

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How was it used?
How was it used? Several ways. Almost every way you could think of. Yeah, some used it as a school yard insult. Others, when I was older, was nerdy kids talking about shit. Just conversation.
Because yes - I was born in the midwest - nearly the most mid of the mid of the midwest (north-south, east-west). And I grew up in the 70s and 80s.
Did you talk to people? What part of the midwest? Was it Ohio? They're fake midwest.
I'd copy and paste some data - but oh noes, someone thinks that is verboten to show support for statements. /s
I doubt a lot of what you paste is what you support other than in the vague term of "these are facts", but this is a much more nebulous conversation. The fact dumps don't really float here other than to show more of one side of this issue.

Side note: I love your posts with the data.