Ladies of F95zone
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Isn't it also something which depend of the context ?
When you're talking with friends do you use the same word(s) than when you talk with your lover ? And are the said word(s) the same if the friends are all girls or if there's men in the group ?
And, last question coming from me, do you use the same word(s) when you talk about the anatomic part, than when you talk about the sexual part ? What I mean here is something like, "I was at the beach few days ago, the sand was so small that I had to wash my flower three times to get ride of it", versus, "I really like when a man lick my pussy".
- Jan 21, 2018
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First of all.
Thank you Darth for starting this topic.
Second of all .
Thank you Ladies for all your replies and insights how this topic and the female stance in games/life.
i know it shouldnt be that hard for men to understand .
But sadly it is ,we arent the brightest into taking hints,placing ourselves into someone elses shoes and for a lot of men opening up and talking about emotions .
and i do prefer a good story and character build instead of a 5 second build up and predictable moneyshot ......and the endless repeats,but thats is a different topic.
i went through some of my old saved stuff,which allready needed a rewrite or 2 since it was a bit dated , and had a few ( knowing now ) eyeroll moments for the female reader,and a decent translation if i ever put it up somewhere.
and 1 name change that is mandatory since the male character is named Eric .and after playing BB a while ago....that name annoys people ,especially here .
Thank you Darth for starting this topic.
Second of all .
Thank you Ladies for all your replies and insights how this topic and the female stance in games/life.
i know it shouldnt be that hard for men to understand .
But sadly it is ,we arent the brightest into taking hints,placing ourselves into someone elses shoes and for a lot of men opening up and talking about emotions .
and i do prefer a good story and character build instead of a 5 second build up and predictable moneyshot ......and the endless repeats,but thats is a different topic.
i went through some of my old saved stuff,which allready needed a rewrite or 2 since it was a bit dated , and had a few ( knowing now ) eyeroll moments for the female reader,and a decent translation if i ever put it up somewhere.
and 1 name change that is mandatory since the male character is named Eric .and after playing BB a while ago....that name annoys people ,especially here .
All of that is literally true, though. Defloration doesn't hurt when the girl is simply old enough to have a mature vagina, cowgirl is the best position for the girl to reach orgasm quickly, and the longer your rape a girl, the more likely she's going to enjoy it (You only get accused of rape if you don't do a girl thoroughly enough, and then it even happens when you didn't rape her at all, so if in doubt: Rape long and rape hard)
I kid, I kid, about the second bit, I have no idea what the best position is because I don't care if the girl orgasms.
Also, the scientifically best possible word for the vajayjay is "Minge", but most people would just use "pussy"
I'm not sure if it is possible to go from "chaste and repressed" to "liberated and erotic" within the context of a story, which might span a month or maybe up to a year in time. Assuming an adult MC, there is probably a reason or choice (concious or subconcious) why the MC is "chaste and repressed" as opposed to "liberated and erotic".
I think that if you are a chaste person at the age of 18 or older, that's pretty deeply ingrained in your character, unless, maybe, there is some external factor why you have to act like you are chaste, but are actually not chaste. But in the modern western world, that seems not that likely. Even if the parents are very religious for example, the child would most likely also be religious in some form. On the other hand, also children of religious parents can rebel, but that doesn't happen on their 18th birthday in general.
I see you've not played good girl gone bad then. The repression isn't always a result of a moral decision. Sometimes it's simply a product of having been unpopular and without a lot of sexual opportunities. The entire concept of storytelling in the first place is about change. The main character makes a decision, sometimes in reaction to an antagonist, but in others, in reaction to a personal problem they choose to address. In short, your argument is pretty weak, and simply shows a lack of imagination.
I don't understand what you're trying to say via gif, unclear message.
I really liked reading your post.
I can see that DMD is terrible but somehow BB felt right most of the time, these games are about sexual events and objectifying women. I don't see anything wrong with objectifying men or women in games/fantasies/porn/etc... but, that's obviously different in real life. Unlike most adult games with HQ images/content, I thought the author of BB made an attempt to make the characters relatable but fell off somewhere. DarkSilver, unlike other authors, made a better attempt at giving his characters some substance. Is there a game out there that even comes close to BB in terms of visual quality, game quality, and dialogue? I can't name one.
I could name several. His visual quality was fine, for the initial scope of the game, but as he grew in popularity and funding he didn't increase the quality. Similar quality can be found in many titles, Dreams of Desire, Intimate Relations, Parental Love, to name a few examples, and all three of those have much more compelling writing. As for Game Quality, Big Brother is probably on the list of some of the most frustrating games I've played. The mechanic of earning money through completely arbitrary and unexplained voyeurism alone is fucking insane, but add to that the problems surrounding Eric enforcing that grind for money and then getting rid of Eric making you the primary income for the household and you have a recipe for the absolute worst gameplay ever thought of.
- May 21, 2017
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Are you talking about my signature? 'cause if so, it's completely unrelated. :happyblush
I stumbled onto that Tomié glitch that one time and thought it was pretty cool.
I don't have any problem with that, honestly. I find it pretty boring since... well, making games that are just about sex scenes and objectification are the easiest ones to make. If you find it enjoyable, by all means, keep on enjoying it. I would never take that away from anyone.
But, since darthseduction wanted to talk about writing and giving females characters actual characters, BB was a good way of exemplifying what not to do when you're aiming for that.
That's usually the part where I repeat again that Re:Maid is my favorite VN for those reasons (these guys should be paying me for all the publicity I'm giving them).
But anyway, there are plenty of games out there that do try to flesh out characters and to add that extra layer to the story. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.
As far as BB goes, I was never that much of a fan to begin with, even when not taking into account the horrendous gameplay. The boyish design of the MC, the cartoonish family and surreal reactions to stuff ("why of course I would spank my daughters in front of my son who's going through puberty and takes any chance he gets to creepily stare at me in the shower"), the constant - also surreal - blackmailing aspect that pretty much surrounds every arc in the game, the "women are easely fooled by a dude as long as he's hot" trope, and so on. The broken english didn't really help out either.
So yeah, many reasons why I don't really have that much of an interest for the game. But I also understand that all of those reasons could be the reason why someone would play the game.
Also, I've always been a 2D person. It kinda bums me that 3D seems to be taking over with time. :FeelsBadMan:
I think in BBs case, DS mainly lost track of the big picture as the project increased in size, and began to pace everything with horrendous grinds, which makes the game one of the grindiest even if you know exactly what you're doing, and even if you are using conventional cheats. I don't fault him for "not increasing graphical fidelity", because BB started out as one of the best looking games - and still is, and that visual fidelity also where most of the effort went. You can fault him for grossly mishandling all the Eric stuff - it's obvious what was intended, a "game-like mechanic" where you're put in competition with another guy over the affection and submission of the girls, but it turned out as a horrible mess with serious gay twinkbottom undertones. And then there's the stuff that went along with it, the completely baffling and nonsensical behavior of the mother that had to be handwaved away with even more bullshit that doesn't work.
But GAH that is completely off topic. Back on topic. I asked an acquaintance of mine what she likes in porn games and she says she likes when in a yaoi game a kichiku megane (
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) would gay rape the twink bitch of the story. So here's the two most important girl favorites at once: Rape and twinky anime gays. If you got those, the girls are gonna be happy I guess. Not really news for writers of femprotag lewd games.
For my two cents, at the rate he was making, there's no excuse for not having animations.
Not exactly bad news for my dual protag game... Alexander isn't exactly a twink... but the first scene is him getting facefucked by his father... ofc his father gets killed for it, but still.
I get that decision, it's half artistic, half economic. BB is very "still" - it never has anything move on the screen unless the player clicks. Randomly animating 1 lewd scene may lead to that scene irritating the eye because suddenly it's not still anymore. Then you have to add other animations, background noise, flickering lights and all that stuff to make the game look less still in general. Kinda like how some people make a black & white movie for supposed artistic reasons, but mainly they simply can't control or afford the lighting.
Is there anything vaguely playable yet?
- Nov 15, 2017
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OK only about 1/2 way down page 1 because I hit a wall and need more time.
However there were a couple of points I have picked up
As I say a personal bug-bear that I air once per forum
Key point - watch your wording, what would a man say, what would a woman say? (You were already thinking along those line with what do you refer to your genitals as in your head - how about nothing, I just use them?)
However there were a couple of points I have picked up
This is purely a personaly bug-bear - this implies that you have some care [about him trying your game] as you could have less care. If I really am not bothered, I could NOT care less
As I say a personal bug-bear that I air once per forum
To me, this is an issue. What a man calls a slut can often be seen as a very high sex drive or very confident woman. A weak little bitch may be someone who is submissive which is often a very strong person.
Key point - watch your wording, what would a man say, what would a woman say? (You were already thinking along those line with what do you refer to your genitals as in your head - how about nothing, I just use them?
)Because everyone knows it's "Nice shoes, wanna fuck?" :winkytongue:
Still building environments and whatnot. It'll be a while before it's out. But my script for the first 2 releases is already finished.
As for animation, I have to disagree with you there. There's nothing in the rest of the game to make it worth experiencing in the first place. Animating all the sex scenes would have at least made the sex worth while. The girls are hot, but they aren't grind for 3 hours hot.
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If you want a character that keeps self-respect while being a slut, maybe look at the game
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? Not a "good" game but the MC seems to fit what you're looking for.
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The girls I have dated, or have spoken to on the matter of what they call their female bits usually have similarities. I've heard a lot of the generic "her" or "she" and sometimes referring to their labia as "petals". That sometimes all goes out the window in the heat of passion and then you hear the typical dirty porno talk.
A big way of knowing what they'll say is actually how you write the character. Is she innocent? Then I'd suggest what I said above. Is she a blunt speaking girl? Then I'd roll with the technical term. Is she a total whore/porn star? Roll with pussy.
A big way of knowing what they'll say is actually how you write the character. Is she innocent? Then I'd suggest what I said above. Is she a blunt speaking girl? Then I'd roll with the technical term. Is she a total whore/porn star? Roll with pussy.
I have played GGGB quite a bit actually.
I think that game / story works, because actually Ashley doesn't have a lot of backstory, and what backstory is there, is frankly a bit bland, which she has to be in order to able to explore. But this way you are able to project yourself into Ashley (even though I am a guy) and follow the story path which you wish to explore.
On the other hand, I think that IRL, we are to a large extent pre-programmed to follow a certain path, which is due to upbringing, social environment, culture etc. etc. I think it is quite hard to do something beyond your "programming". Possibly a person can be "re-programmed" (i.e. corrupted) but that will probably take a lot of time, if it works at all. Example: try to "change" one of your wife's/husband's habits which you can't stand for some reason (i.e. put the shoes in a certain location). But sexuality goes much deeper than such shallow habits.
Of course a game can be slightly different than IRL, and you'll need to take some shortcuts. GGGB somehow manages to make a slutty Ashley (almost) as believable as a good Ashley, but I do think it has something to do with lack of backstory.
Let's say you're right by exploring a living example then. I was born into a Mormon family. My mother and her whole family, and my father and his whole family are Mormon and have been for generations. I don't know what you do know about mormons, but suffice it to say, they are very sheltering, repressive, and have strict rules regarding sex, alcohol, drugs, even coffee. In spite of that conservative upbringing I'm a pansexual socialist atheist porn developer who can't wait to go down to the local dispensary and purchase some edibles.
Let's find another example... Oh my mother, who grew up in largely the same environment as me only without the internet to corrupt her in her youth later realized she was gay left my father and has dated only women since. She married a woman a few years back and they live happily together today.
So, I don't know about you, but I find that to be pretty compelling evidence against the idea that we have all been programmed and can't change. Don't get me wrong, not every change occurred overnight, however, it's definitely fair to say that once you make the turn, you actually go hard fast. I was an insufferable little twat when I first decided God didn't exist. I was with three different women in the course of 6 months after losing my virginity, and I lived in the middle of nowhere at the time. Eventually I evened out, stopped trying to prove to myself that's I wasn't the saint I'd been raised to be. But my corruption was largely the result of making a decision to change and changing.
I did not like oversaturated thighs/chest size for female models; horrible and tasteless proportions unless you're into those odd/unrealistic proportions. The writing was even worse, one sister a one-dimensional bitch and the younger sister is easy to manipulate without any personality. I will agree BB money-making was not a strong point but I used a mod to bypass generating money and some stat gains. Using mods Eric wasn't a big problem. I can see how without using a mod bypassing Eric can be anti-fun. I never played the other two. A quick glance and Intimate Relations quality is significantly less than BB. Parental Love image quality looks alright(would need to play to determine as well as dialogue.)