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Gomly1980

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That's also dangerous advice though, as that's how most men see women anyways, and why I often feel as though the erotic game industry is underselling female sexuality. Its always dangerous to only use personal experience, but I've never found women to be nearly as adverse to sex as men seem to think they are.
Try not to make me sound like a man slut but I spent a few years in the army and relationships weren't ideal so had a few "flings" to put it politely, and I had a lass I was close to and we ended up as fuck buddies, purely a sex thing when we were both single, which she instigated.

I've never come across a woman that is reserved sexually. I've met plenty that won't make the first move but once the moves have been made they have been as open about it as any bloke i've known.

I know there are women that aren't as open about their sex lives and those that save themselves I just haven't met any. Then again they wouldn't likely go where I was going looking for a one nighter in a dingy night clubs.

But simply put, most women i've known are pretty open about sex and enjoy it just as much as we do. I have no idea why some blokes think women don't like sex as much, the very idea is absurd.
 

f95poke

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I've been thinking about this for last few days, reading the thread several times. I'm going to explain my view below, but in shortest way it's: it depends.

We have discussed various topics here, like sexual language, female genitalia, kinds of gameplay that turns us on and off and I had an honest introspection about it until late night hours. And what I came to is exactly that, it depends. Let me explain.

Lets start with the genitalia and sexual language. I've actually asked my friends, both male and female about that. Imagine the surprise. You are somewhere doing whatever you feel or have to do and suddently your bestie asks: Hey, what do you call your pussy? Normally and during sex? There was a sound of jaws hitting the floor on the other side. Answers were varying although not very much. After all we usually keep to the company of people that are alike us. So Yes, I know a girl that will call her pussy vagina and I know a girl that like to be called a slut, but most of my friends don't. And here comes a kicker. The last question was: how about English? Because, you see, me and my besties, we live in an East European country. We were born 40-something years ago, we learn't Russian in primary schools and learnt English from radio and Internet. And here answers were more unified. We all agreed on pussy, because, I believe, this is what it's mostly called in the kind of English movies we watch or texts we read. So our sexual language is restricted to what gets into clutrure and not what gets into bedrooms. And we all know it's not always the same. In the translation some nuances are lost. The word for pussy in my language would be softened by making it a little pussy. Except here it's still one, short word you can moan to your partner, where I really can't imagine moaning my little pussy in the heat of the moment. But again it probably depends. My country is very Catholic, at least oficially. It changes rapidly last 15 years, but when I was young the sex wasn't talked about, at least not loud. Contraceptives were frowned upon and the choice was very small. It doesn't mean we girls didn't try things, but we were more secretive and shy about it. When I grew into my twenties for a girl to act open and selfconcious sexually was a political and cultural statement of incredible strenght. It wasn't a lifestyle, it wasn't a prefference, it was The Credo, the defining point. On the other hand the sex, so wilfully regulated by church, was a point of social schizophrenia. On the sunday mass we would listen to priests talking about sin of contraceptives and sexual fantasies and then we would go home and use condoms and secretly lust about our neighbour.

Here we are, defined by our cultural upbringing. We would be pretty open to expereinces and at the same time self-conscious and restricted about expressing ourselves. The most hardcore porn that was available to me in my teens was my friends monthly magazine with naked women and, sadly, no men. I didn't know then if I really liked porn. I was 19 when Internet showed up in prices that would allow myself to get one and discover online world of erotica and find something for myself.

I am sorry for the long history background, but I hope it illustrates the point. My sexuality is defined by the early years of Catholic church influence and then strongly defining experience of breaking out from it. It was so meaningful, that you could say my sexual self is divided into pre and post eras. I play erogames, especially "corruption" to feel empowered, to fantasize about what I would be able to do if I wasn't so self-aware. Would it turn me on? To some degree I envy Suzie from New Paths, she found a path to discover herself. And this is the kind of games I like. The games that put me, the player, in charge. The games that don't make the character into empty shell that's being pushed around by the plot.

To top it all I am a nerd and a geek. I work as IT support, which makes me pretty Asperger in human relationships. So I also play games to fulfill my need to be someone else, someone stronger. That's why I like that sniper rifle wielding gal in Wildlands.

My friend left my country when we were 12 and migrated with her parents to Germany. They quicly left any pretense of being christians. I was in more or less constant pen-pal relationship with her until my 17 birthday, when I scraped enough cash to buy myself ticket and visit her for a week. She grew up fully aware of her body, sex and preventing unwanted pregnancies. She's been with her parents to nudist beach. The confidence she had is still there, after all those years, because she wasn't brought up in a view that her body is source of sin and women brought fall upon all mankind.

To her sex is a joyful experience. To me it's a statement and act of setting myself free from influence that is no longer there, except in my head.

Her sexual language is much more rich and joyful than mine. She's more open to new ideas than me, which doesn't mean she's going to go for all of them. To me some of things I did was acting in spite of someone, sometimes even myself. She has got more sexual experience that I'll ever have. She's more open that I'll ever be. She has more fun out of it that I'll ever do. She's not into erogames at all. She digs books and movies, porn too.

Recently I met a girl that I befriended strongly. She has similar story to mine. But when she was a kid, she was sexually abused, coerced into groping and oral sex. She wasn't forced into anything, but an adult with agenda can be really convincing and patient. She's very wild today and very conflicted. She enjoys her very open sexual nature, but at the same time she feels dirty and after few beers tells me she's not sure which part of her is her and which part of her is the abuse. She goes between not doing porn and erotica at all for few months to watching very hardcore stuff and playing all games day and night. It looks like an addiction. She's also maniacally monogamic. Her secula language is very strong, hardcore and often derogative.

So here comes the point. Just as you, men, differ and have different execations, so do we. Especially where the community is worldwide spread and brings together people of various ages. Even between you boys some dig the MC being turned into a sexual object against her will, and some dislike it. I guess, you need to define your target audience then. Explain to yourself the genre you feel best with, the plot devices you are confident make your story compelling. And keep doing it.

That's all, Kirk^w Elena out.

I enjoyed reading this, the history and your view point.
 

Pam Jam

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I perfectly agree with @DarthSeduction, the portrayal of women in many of these games are like sex slaves and w/o much/no character arc. A good story teller will try to show a protagonist grow/develop and if he can show the same even with the supporting characters around the protagonist then there is bound to be a good story there. There are few exceptions that i have come across like Katawa Shoujo, Hack and Stalk 2.0 (under development), Insexity (under development), not my body (under development) are the few that i thought had some good female characters. (Disclaimer - I haven't completed Katawa Shoujo so maybe the NPC character might change) And now I identified some issues and stated them below-

1. In most of the games here the 'end goal' is to have simulated sex with the main character and NPC/NPCs.. Where as if you have a different end goal/goals and sex is just along for the ride then the character development is more crucial and might be quite interesting game, different from others.

2. Unrealistic approach portrayed by women NPCs.. 'Stick it in my butt', 'Cum on my face/boobs' not many women in real life will say that unless they are super comfy with their partner/husband or they are in some unavoidable circumstances and agree to it. Even if they agree to it there would be glint of shame and sadness in their eyes.

3. Many of the games have lost the art of seduction.. its just multiple choice statements that result in +1 love or +1 lust or -1 for something bad. Yes IRL there is a brownie point system but its way more complex than what is portrayed in the games here. If only there was a different system that could be used that would help with the portrayal of seduction.

4. Dressing for women. I agree this is pet peeve for me and women can wear what they like but in the games they wear close to nothing almost all the time. Majority of the women are not like that.

5. Big Breasts - another pet peeve of mine, I don't know how true this is cause i have not met a full fledged slut/whore who is in absolute love with their DD cup size (and I'm being conservative here cause most NPCs have more that DDs).

6. Empathy, Sympathy, Emotions - We all remember Ellie (Last of Us), Artreus (God of War), Elizabeth (Bioshock infinte), Trico (The last guardian). Even as a man I loved these characters. These are the things women look for. Nail these in your game.

U all might think I'm saying this just cause i saw this post, but i honestly am writing a story that wants to portray women in a different light in a game that i wanna make, i still have only written few lines of the story and the setting of it. Still lots of work to be done. But hopefully he can make a game that he feels is right..
 

Gomly1980

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2. Unrealistic approach portrayed by women NPCs.. 'Stick it in my butt', 'Cum on my face/boobs' not many women in real life will say that unless they are super comfy with their partner/husband or they are in some unavoidable circumstances and agree to it. Even if they agree to it there would be glint of shame and sadness in their eyes.
You have a very unrealistic view of women or have only met very sheltered ones.

Anal sex is quite popular and a lot of women like a bloke cumming on their tits.
 

Pam Jam

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You have a very unrealistic view of women or have only met very sheltered ones.

Anal sex is quite popular and a lot of women like a bloke cumming on their tits.
Well u are right that i have met many sheltered women. Mainly due the fact that i am from India. But i have lived abroad in Dubai and in the US, there also i have met similar types that being mostly conservative. I have had GFs who are primarily conservative too so that's where my opinion stems from.

About anal, I know its quite popular to do anal among intimate couples. I personally have not experienced it apart from vaginal. One of my ex gf did have anal with her ex. But she was not at all happy doing with him or even liked doing it ever again. So my opinion is based on that.
 

yung greene

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Well u are right that i have met many sheltered women. Mainly due the fact that i am from India. But i have lived abroad in Dubai and in the US, there also i have met similar types that being mostly conservative. I have had GFs who are primarily conservative too so that's where my opinion stems from.

About anal, I know its quite popular to do anal among intimate couples. I personally have not experienced it apart from vaginal. One of my ex gf did have anal with her ex. But she was not at all happy doing with him or even liked doing it ever again. So my opinion is based on that.
me and my wife have been doing anal since like 15 lad its not even considered taboo any more, she prefers a cumload on her tits or face than having another kid so o_Oo_O
 

Pam Jam

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me and my wife have been doing anal since like 15 lad its not even considered taboo any more, she prefers a cumload on her tits or face than having another kid so o_Oo_O
Yeah I agree.. as i stated above in my post.. 'Anal is very popular among very intimate partners'. But how popular/common is it to have anal in a casual encounter or your first sex with your date.
 

Gomly1980

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me and my wife have been doing anal since like 15 lad its not even considered taboo any more, she prefers a cumload on her tits or face than having another kid so o_Oo_O
My wife is the same.

We have 5 kids now so she prefers I unload in her arse or on her tits but she loved anal long before our first kid came along.

A lot of women I slept with before my wife were into various things but none of them had a look of shame or a tear in their eye when they asked me for anal or to cum on them.

I admit I haven't met many sheltered women but even those I have met aren't ashamed of their sexual tastes.

I travelled the world during my army days and met women of various cultures but they all had one thing in common, none of them were ashamed of asking for something they enjoyed in the bedroom.

I have always gone for the older woman though, even in my teen years, so the women i've been with all had experience so maybe it's different for younger women in some parts of the world but i've never come across one that acts like that guy said outside of a romance movie my wife has forced me to watch.
 

DarthSeduction

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Yeah I agree.. as i stated above in my post.. 'Anal is very popular among very intimate partners'. But how popular/common is it to have anal in a casual encounter or your first sex with your date.
While I can't speak for all women, I know that in my experience it does kinda depend on the woman. Some ladies these days, will experiment with anal on their own, with toys being readily available and the world being a bit more open than in the past. More to the point, with Tinder and other hook up dating situations we are all a lot more casual at least over here, than we were even 10 years ago. So while many ladies aren't willing to take the anal step, I'd say that it's definitely not an unrealistic feat for a girl to be into these days.

And as for the "Cum on my tits" portion, I'm also gonna have to completely disagree here. In fact, most of the girls I've been with would rather me cum on them than in or swallow. They might be a bit more demure about it, depending on their personality, might not say cum or tits, but they'll ask you to put it somewhere else.

3. Many of the games have lost the art of seduction.. its just multiple choice statements that result in +1 love or +1 lust or -1 for something bad. Yes IRL there is a brownie point system but its way more complex than what is portrayed in the games here. If only there was a different system that could be used that would help with the portrayal of seduction.
For this, I'd actually suggest that A, you hide those points from the player, and B, you make the female characters in the game proactive. Most games tend to write the female characters as if they're completely disinterested in the MC. As if he has to trick them into wanting things or if they aren't disinterested, like they don't have the power to speak for themselves. In nearly every game if the MC doesn't jump through 3 hoops and say just the right thing, he has to go back and try again.

There's something we like to refer to around here as the "stairway to heaven". What this is is the progression system by which you go from not dating to fucking. It starts with a kiss, moves on up to some heavy petting, then maybe a fingering/handjob, then oral, then and only then do we finally get to the sex. Now, in reality the stairway does exist, however, in reality it's possible, even probable, that you'll take several of these steps at once. If alcohol is involved and you're both interested its really easy to take them all in a single date. What it really is is a system by which we get more comfortable with one another. It starts with a hand brushing lightly on the other, maybe progresses to closer familiarity, a full on grip or hand rested on the thigh. But if things go well you can make it up a few of these steps. In games however, first off, you never take more than one step, and you'll likely be stuck grinding the step you're on for a few iterations in order to advance points enough to take the next.

The way to avoid this, and I say it often in my critique of games like Big Brother, Man of the House, etc, which use grind in place of narrative, is to give your characters a reason to be interested in one another. It isn't hard. Milfy City managed to make me believe that the mom was thirsting for some son dick and that the little sister is just sheltered enough that she doesn't have much experience with boys, and has a crush on her older brother who treats her like she matters and shares her hobbies. The older sister's pity for the boy is also somewhat realistic, even if I find it hard to believe she'd let him photograph her nearly naked, they did set up that she tends to lounge around the house in her underwear. Milfy City is by no means a masterpiece of storytelling, but it gave the ladies motivations for which they might be interested in the MC.

My own game, the one I initially started this thread over, features twins. They, a boy and a girl, share the MC position, with me swapping who's in charge depending on what I want to do at that time. However, I took the time to build up a believable reason for their budding romance. The two of them, at the very beginning of the game, have a traumatic experience, it's actually really cool, imo, what I've done, but it brings them closer together, closer than even twins ever are, and everything that comes after that is justified by the closeness that resulted from that experience, and even more it gives some extra depth to the sister, who begins to fear that she is going to recreate that experience if she continues on her path. Depth, emotional investment, motivation. Every character needs these things. As you say later, empathy. It's not possible to empathise with a dead fish, you need a real person with thoughts and feelings and desires.
 

yung greene

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My wife is the same.

We have 5 kids now so she prefers I unload in her arse or on her tits but she loved anal long before our first kid came along.

A lot of women I slept with before my wife were into various things but none of them had a look of shame or a tear in their eye when they asked me for anal or to cum on them.

I admit I haven't met many sheltered women but even those I have met aren't ashamed of their sexual tastes.

I travelled the world during my army days and met women of various cultures but they all had one thing in common, none of them were ashamed of asking for something they enjoyed in the bedroom.

I have always gone for the older woman though, even in my teen years, so the women i've been with all had experience so maybe it's different for younger women in some parts of the world but i've never come across one that acts like that guy said outside of a romance movie my wife has forced me to watch.
nah sheltered girls are the dirtiest lol
i do agree with the depends on the lady part though, through various MFF's and MFFF's, we've met a lot of "slutty" girls that are shit scared in the bedroom, whereas the sheltered girls tend to be more extreme and frisky. But that's just in england, in other countries it probably is different
 

Pam Jam

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They might be a bit more demure about it, depending on their personality, might not say cum or tits, but they'll ask you to put it somewhere else.
Yeah.. since i have met more conservative women, these are the type of reactions i have seen.

For this, I'd actually suggest that A, you hide those points from the player, and B, you make the female characters in the game proactive. Most games tend to write the female characters as if they're completely disinterested in the MC. As if he has to trick them into wanting things or if they aren't disinterested, like they don't have the power to speak for themselves. In nearly every game if the MC doesn't jump through 3 hoops and say just the right thing, he has to go back and try again.

There's something we like to refer to around here as the "stairway to heaven". What this is is the progression system by which you go from not dating to fucking. It starts with a kiss, moves on up to some heavy petting, then maybe a fingering/handjob, then oral, then and only then do we finally get to the sex. Now, in reality the stairway does exist, however, in reality it's possible, even probable, that you'll take several of these steps at once. If alcohol is involved and you're both interested its really easy to take them all in a single date. What it really is is a system by which we get more comfortable with one another. It starts with a hand brushing lightly on the other, maybe progresses to closer familiarity, a full on grip or hand rested on the thigh. But if things go well you can make it up a few of these steps. In games however, first off, you never take more than one step, and you'll likely be stuck grinding the step you're on for a few iterations in order to advance points enough to take the next.

The way to avoid this, and I say it often in my critique of games like Big Brother, Man of the House, etc, which use grind in place of narrative, is to give your characters a reason to be interested in one another. It isn't hard. Milfy City managed to make me believe that the mom was thirsting for some son dick and that the little sister is just sheltered enough that she doesn't have much experience with boys, and has a crush on her older brother who treats her like she matters and shares her hobbies. The older sister's pity for the boy is also somewhat realistic, even if I find it hard to believe she'd let him photograph her nearly naked, they did set up that she tends to lounge around the house in her underwear. Milfy City is by no means a masterpiece of storytelling, but it gave the ladies motivations for which they might be interested in the MC.

My own game, the one I initially started this thread over, features twins. They, a boy and a girl, share the MC position, with me swapping who's in charge depending on what I want to do at that time. However, I took the time to build up a believable reason for their budding romance. The two of them, at the very beginning of the game, have a traumatic experience, it's actually really cool, imo, what I've done, but it brings them closer together, closer than even twins ever are, and everything that comes after that is justified by the closeness that resulted from that experience, and even more it gives some extra depth to the sister, who begins to fear that she is going to recreate that experience if she continues on her path. Depth, emotional investment, motivation. Every character needs these things. As you say later, empathy. It's not possible to empathise with a dead fish, you need a real person with thoughts and feelings and desires.
I think you have a good game idea in ur mind.. And hope u are able to make it..
 
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