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Are you talking about my signature? 'cause if so, it's completely unrelated. :happyblush
I stumbled onto that Tomié glitch that one time and thought it was pretty cool.



I don't have any problem with that, honestly. I find it pretty boring since... well, making games that are just about sex scenes and objectification are the easiest ones to make. If you find it enjoyable, by all means, keep on enjoying it. I would never take that away from anyone.
But, since darthseduction wanted to talk about writing and giving females characters actual characters, BB was a good way of exemplifying what not to do when you're aiming for that.



That's usually the part where I repeat again that Re:Maid is my favorite VN for those reasons (these guys should be paying me for all the publicity I'm giving them).
But anyway, there are plenty of games out there that do try to flesh out characters and to add that extra layer to the story. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

As far as BB goes, I was never that much of a fan to begin with, even when not taking into account the horrendous gameplay. The boyish design of the MC, the cartoonish family and surreal reactions to stuff ("why of course I would spank my daughters in front of my son who's going through puberty and takes any chance he gets to creepily stare at me in the shower"), the constant - also surreal - blackmailing aspect that pretty much surrounds every arc in the game, the "women are easely fooled by a dude as long as he's hot" trope, and so on. The broken english didn't really help out either.
So yeah, many reasons why I don't really have that much of an interest for the game. But I also understand that all of those reasons could be the reason why someone would play the game.

Also, I've always been a 2D person. It kinda bums me that 3D seems to be taking over with time. :FeelsBadMan:
Comparing to other Re'npy games, I thought the models had the least cartoonish/fake proportions out of all that I have played. The idea of a mother spanking their son is within the realm of possibilities for punishment but, it's a big stretch. Nude spanking was the point make them feel uncomfortable in front of the other siblings which would reinforce to avoid the feeling of embarrassment, sure these scenarios are a big stretch but at least they kinda make sense to the setting Dark Silver set up.

Everything in the game felt right to me and reasonable for the fictitious world DarkSilver set up. I can argue from my point of view how every element can be seen as reasonable for that world and at the same time not as ridiculous as DMD which has the daughter making straightforward decisions.

What games do you consider did a better overall job than BB?
 
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If you want a character that keeps self-respect while being a slut, maybe look at the game ? Not a "good" game but the MC seems to fit what you're looking for.
You BASTARD! You made me check this out. I originally assumed this was some nip game based on the title, but apparently it wasn't, so I downloaded it. And had the most unpleasant experience playing a porn game ever. I mean, you know how in Big Brother, you have to grind for hours to get something new happen? I was BEGGING for that to happen in this game, just to make the horribleness stop or at least slow down, this gruesome, retch-inducing vomit that my eyes were assaulted with, just make ANYTHING other than what was happening on the screen happen, which was, after a short while, just back to back insanity, without as much as time to breathe or clean up the puke in between or recover my mind. From playing the game alone, I can state with absolute certainty that the dev has deep-seated mental issues and should definitely not be allowed to walk around freely.

And it gets worse. Because I am an obvious glutton for pain, I decided to check out the Patreon to sort of figure out what kind of mental patient would create something like this. And saw there was another "latest" downloadable game, "Petting Daddy" - And having suffered through Petting Daddy, it makes "Treat Me Like The Slut I Am" look like the product of a healthy, well adjusted individual, and "TMLTSIA" should be used in elementary schools as an example for a coherent and well paced narrative. Let me just strongly recommend against downloading it unless you actually want to go to prison, followed by hell, where you will most likely encounter not only the devs but also the various characters, such as the "Slut Hindenburg" and "Loli Satan"

At least, in the future, I will know immediately what to answer if someone asks me what is the worst thing I've ever played.
 

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I did not like oversaturated thighs/chest size for female models; horrible and tasteless proportions unless you're into those odd/unrealistic proportions. The writing was even worse, one sister a one-dimensional bitch and the younger sister is easy to manipulate without any personality. I will agree BB money-making was not a strong point but I used a mod to bypass generating money and some stat gains. Using mods Eric wasn't a big problem. I can see how without using a mod bypassing Eric can be anti-fun. I never played the other two. A quick glance and Intimate Relations quality is significantly less than BB. Parental Love image quality looks alright(would need to play to determine as well as dialogue.)
When you use a mod to bypass a game mechanic it means the game is bad. Period.

Oversaturated though the mother may be, she's one character, not a sample size. The Aunt, both sisters, and the hot blonde friend of Tracy are absolutely normal. You obviously didn't keep up with Dreams of Desire, because if you had you'd know that it's deeper than BB ever got. Of course Alice is easy to manipulate, you fucking used mind control powers on her. She was clearly in love with you before coming back and when you either A tell he to do whatever you want or B tell her to only be intimate with someone she loves, she's gonna be exactly the girl you want her to be. Tracy, while I dislike her character model, is far deeper than just generic bitch, as you learn as you play the game, her character has some depth with a split personality and what appears to be something more.

Comparitively, Lisa is a complete nutcase, never once being consistent. The mother is even fucking worse, with the only possible explanation for her behavior being Multiple personality disorder. Alice is the only person with any character development and that character development, instead of being used properly, to give her a motivation to be in this story as one of your girls, actually made her more distant, as it was all centered around her being in a relationship with a woman. But what would I know, I only write a parody game with them as characters.

Intimate Relations' renders are absolutely on par with BB, fuck the daughter is an aged up and sexy Lisa. Don't come at me with your "at a quick glance" bullshit. And Parental Love's Dialogue could be wooden and half in russian and it would have more depth than Big Brother.
 
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Let's say you're right by exploring a living example then

So, I don't know about you, but I find that to be pretty compelling evidence against the idea that we have all been programmed and can't change. Don't get me wrong, not every change occurred overnight, however, it's definitely fair to say that once you make the turn, you actually go hard fast. I was an insufferable little twat when I first decided God didn't exist. I was with three different women in the course of 6 months after losing my virginity, and I lived in the middle of nowhere at the time. Eventually I evened out, stopped trying to prove to myself that's I wasn't the saint I'd been raised to be. But my corruption was largely the result of making a decision to change and changing.
Fair enough, I can't argue against personal experience.

Just saying that for me, rapid corruption games, like Chloe18 strike me as completely unrealistic and not fun to play.

But, if you don't mind me asking, were you not already corrupted in your mind years before you actually starting to (were able to) act upon it? Or did the change between convinced Mormon and atheist hedonist actually take place within 6 months? How convinced about the Mormon life style (I am not talking about belief in God, because that's something different) were you really?

Feel free to ignore this message or take it to PM if you think this is too personal.
 

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Fair enough, I can't argue against personal experience.

Just saying that for me, rapid corruption games, like Chloe18 strike me as completely unrealistic and not fun to play.

But, if you don't mind me asking, were you not already corrupted in your mind years before you actually starting to (were able to) act upon it? Or did the change between convinced Mormon and atheist hedonist actually take place within 6 months? How convinced about the Mormon life style (I am not talking about belief in God, because that's something different) were you really?

Feel free to ignore this message or take it to PM if you think this is too personal.
To be honest, it was pretty rapid. I wouldn't have called my faith unshakable, but I was very much a product of my environment, even going so far as to argue with my biology teacher about evolution within the same year that I eventually left the church. There were some things I wasn't perfect at, porn being the major one, but regardless, I was still a virgin and hadn't even kissed most of the girls I'd dated as a teen up till that point. I may not have had perfect faith in God, but I had perfect faith in the core beliefs that I had been raised with. However the moment I was no longer immersed in the community of belief I was able to think for myself, it didn't take long for me to start seeing where they had led me to believe a certain way about things and start to fix those preconceived notions about sex, relationships, sexuality, and otherwise. It did take me a while to do certain things... for instance I didn't drink till I was 20... didn't smoke weed till 25. But those had less to do with morality and more to do with a desire not to suffer consequences.
 

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I've been thinking about this for last few days, reading the thread several times. I'm going to explain my view below, but in shortest way it's: it depends.

We have discussed various topics here, like sexual language, female genitalia, kinds of gameplay that turns us on and off and I had an honest introspection about it until late night hours. And what I came to is exactly that, it depends. Let me explain.

Lets start with the genitalia and sexual language. I've actually asked my friends, both male and female about that. Imagine the surprise. You are somewhere doing whatever you feel or have to do and suddently your bestie asks: Hey, what do you call your pussy? Normally and during sex? There was a sound of jaws hitting the floor on the other side. Answers were varying although not very much. After all we usually keep to the company of people that are alike us. So Yes, I know a girl that will call her pussy vagina and I know a girl that like to be called a slut, but most of my friends don't. And here comes a kicker. The last question was: how about English? Because, you see, me and my besties, we live in an East European country. We were born 40-something years ago, we learn't Russian in primary schools and learnt English from radio and Internet. And here answers were more unified. We all agreed on pussy, because, I believe, this is what it's mostly called in the kind of English movies we watch or texts we read. So our sexual language is restricted to what gets into clutrure and not what gets into bedrooms. And we all know it's not always the same. In the translation some nuances are lost. The word for pussy in my language would be softened by making it a little pussy. Except here it's still one, short word you can moan to your partner, where I really can't imagine moaning my little pussy in the heat of the moment. But again it probably depends. My country is very Catholic, at least oficially. It changes rapidly last 15 years, but when I was young the sex wasn't talked about, at least not loud. Contraceptives were frowned upon and the choice was very small. It doesn't mean we girls didn't try things, but we were more secretive and shy about it. When I grew into my twenties for a girl to act open and selfconcious sexually was a political and cultural statement of incredible strenght. It wasn't a lifestyle, it wasn't a prefference, it was The Credo, the defining point. On the other hand the sex, so wilfully regulated by church, was a point of social schizophrenia. On the sunday mass we would listen to priests talking about sin of contraceptives and sexual fantasies and then we would go home and use condoms and secretly lust about our neighbour.

Here we are, defined by our cultural upbringing. We would be pretty open to expereinces and at the same time self-conscious and restricted about expressing ourselves. The most hardcore porn that was available to me in my teens was my friends monthly magazine with naked women and, sadly, no men. I didn't know then if I really liked porn. I was 19 when Internet showed up in prices that would allow myself to get one and discover online world of erotica and find something for myself.

I am sorry for the long history background, but I hope it illustrates the point. My sexuality is defined by the early years of Catholic church influence and then strongly defining experience of breaking out from it. It was so meaningful, that you could say my sexual self is divided into pre and post eras. I play erogames, especially "corruption" to feel empowered, to fantasize about what I would be able to do if I wasn't so self-aware. Would it turn me on? To some degree I envy Suzie from New Paths, she found a path to discover herself. And this is the kind of games I like. The games that put me, the player, in charge. The games that don't make the character into empty shell that's being pushed around by the plot.

To top it all I am a nerd and a geek. I work as IT support, which makes me pretty Asperger in human relationships. So I also play games to fulfill my need to be someone else, someone stronger. That's why I like that sniper rifle wielding gal in Wildlands.

My friend left my country when we were 12 and migrated with her parents to Germany. They quicly left any pretense of being christians. I was in more or less constant pen-pal relationship with her until my 17 birthday, when I scraped enough cash to buy myself ticket and visit her for a week. She grew up fully aware of her body, sex and preventing unwanted pregnancies. She's been with her parents to nudist beach. The confidence she had is still there, after all those years, because she wasn't brought up in a view that her body is source of sin and women brought fall upon all mankind.

To her sex is a joyful experience. To me it's a statement and act of setting myself free from influence that is no longer there, except in my head.

Her sexual language is much more rich and joyful than mine. She's more open to new ideas than me, which doesn't mean she's going to go for all of them. To me some of things I did was acting in spite of someone, sometimes even myself. She has got more sexual experience that I'll ever have. She's more open that I'll ever be. She has more fun out of it that I'll ever do. She's not into erogames at all. She digs books and movies, porn too.

Recently I met a girl that I befriended strongly. She has similar story to mine. But when she was a kid, she was sexually abused, coerced into groping and oral sex. She wasn't forced into anything, but an adult with agenda can be really convincing and patient. She's very wild today and very conflicted. She enjoys her very open sexual nature, but at the same time she feels dirty and after few beers tells me she's not sure which part of her is her and which part of her is the abuse. She goes between not doing porn and erotica at all for few months to watching very hardcore stuff and playing all games day and night. It looks like an addiction. She's also maniacally monogamic. Her secula language is very strong, hardcore and often derogative.

So here comes the point. Just as you, men, differ and have different execations, so do we. Especially where the community is worldwide spread and brings together people of various ages. Even between you boys some dig the MC being turned into a sexual object against her will, and some dislike it. I guess, you need to define your target audience then. Explain to yourself the genre you feel best with, the plot devices you are confident make your story compelling. And keep doing it.

That's all, Kirk^w Elena out.
 

DarthSeduction

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I've been thinking about this for last few days, reading the thread several times. I'm going to explain my view below, but in shortest way it's: it depends.

We have discussed various topics here, like sexual language, female genitalia, kinds of gameplay that turns us on and off and I had an honest introspection about it until late night hours. And what I came to is exactly that, it depends. Let me explain.

Lets start with the genitalia and sexual language. I've actually asked my friends, both male and female about that. Imagine the surprise. You are somewhere doing whatever you feel or have to do and suddently your bestie asks: Hey, what do you call your pussy? Normally and during sex? There was a sound of jaws hitting the floor on the other side. Answers were varying although not very much. After all we usually keep to the company of people that are alike us. So Yes, I know a girl that will call her pussy vagina and I know a girl that like to be called a slut, but most of my friends don't. And here comes a kicker. The last question was: how about English? Because, you see, me and my besties, we live in an East European country. We were born 40-something years ago, we learn't Russian in primary schools and learnt English from radio and Internet. And here answers were more unified. We all agreed on pussy, because, I believe, this is what it's mostly called in the kind of English movies we watch or texts we read. So our sexual language is restricted to what gets into clutrure and not what gets into bedrooms. And we all know it's not always the same. In the translation some nuances are lost. The word for pussy in my language would be softened by making it a little pussy. Except here it's still one, short word you can moan to your partner, where I really can't imagine moaning my little pussy in the heat of the moment. But again it probably depends. My country is very Catholic, at least oficially. It changes rapidly last 15 years, but when I was young the sex wasn't talked about, at least not loud. Contraceptives were frowned upon and the choice was very small. It doesn't mean we girls didn't try things, but we were more secretive and shy about it. When I grew into my twenties for a girl to act open and selfconcious sexually was a political and cultural statement of incredible strenght. It wasn't a lifestyle, it wasn't a prefference, it was The Credo, the defining point. On the other hand the sex, so wilfully regulated by church, was a point of social schizophrenia. On the sunday mass we would listen to priests talking about sin of contraceptives and sexual fantasies and then we would go home and use condoms and secretly lust about our neighbour.

Here we are, defined by our cultural upbringing. We would be pretty open to expereinces and at the same time self-conscious and restricted about expressing ourselves. The most hardcore porn that was available to me in my teens was my friends monthly magazine with naked women and, sadly, no men. I didn't know then if I really liked porn. I was 19 when Internet showed up in prices that would allow myself to get one and discover online world of erotica and find something for myself.

I am sorry for the long history background, but I hope it illustrates the point. My sexuality is defined by the early years of Catholic church influence and then strongly defining experience of breaking out from it. It was so meaningful, that you could say my sexual self is divided into pre and post eras. I play erogames, especially "corruption" to feel empowered, to fantasize about what I would be able to do if I wasn't so self-aware. Would it turn me on? To some degree I envy Suzie from New Paths, she found a path to discover herself. And this is the kind of games I like. The games that put me, the player, in charge. The games that don't make the character into empty shell that's being pushed around by the plot.

To top it all I am a nerd and a geek. I work as IT support, which makes me pretty Asperger in human relationships. So I also play games to fulfill my need to be someone else, someone stronger. That's why I like that sniper rifle wielding gal in Wildlands.

My friend left my country when we were 12 and migrated with her parents to Germany. They quicly left any pretense of being christians. I was in more or less constant pen-pal relationship with her until my 17 birthday, when I scraped enough cash to buy myself ticket and visit her for a week. She grew up fully aware of her body, sex and preventing unwanted pregnancies. She's been with her parents to nudist beach. The confidence she had is still there, after all those years, because she wasn't brought up in a view that her body is source of sin and women brought fall upon all mankind.

To her sex is a joyful experience. To me it's a statement and act of setting myself free from influence that is no longer there, except in my head.

Her sexual language is much more rich and joyful than mine. She's more open to new ideas than me, which doesn't mean she's going to go for all of them. To me some of things I did was acting in spite of someone, sometimes even myself. She has got more sexual experience that I'll ever have. She's more open that I'll ever be. She has more fun out of it that I'll ever do. She's not into erogames at all. She digs books and movies, porn too.

Recently I met a girl that I befriended strongly. She has similar story to mine. But when she was a kid, she was sexually abused, coerced into groping and oral sex. She wasn't forced into anything, but an adult with agenda can be really convincing and patient. She's very wild today and very conflicted. She enjoys her very open sexual nature, but at the same time she feels dirty and after few beers tells me she's not sure which part of her is her and which part of her is the abuse. She goes between not doing porn and erotica at all for few months to watching very hardcore stuff and playing all games day and night. It looks like an addiction. She's also maniacally monogamic. Her secula language is very strong, hardcore and often derogative.

So here comes the point. Just as you, men, differ and have different execations, so do we. Especially where the community is worldwide spread and brings together people of various ages. Even between you boys some dig the MC being turned into a sexual object against her will, and some dislike it. I guess, you need to define your target audience then. Explain to yourself the genre you feel best with, the plot devices you are confident make your story compelling. And keep doing it.

That's all, Kirk^w Elena out.
Thanks a lot, that was helpful indeed.
 

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You BASTARD! You made me check this out. I originally assumed this was some nip game based on the title, but apparently it wasn't, so I downloaded it. And had the most unpleasant experience playing a porn game ever. I mean, you know how in Big Brother, you have to grind for hours to get something new happen? I was BEGGING for that to happen in this game, just to make the horribleness stop or at least slow down, this gruesome, retch-inducing vomit that my eyes were assaulted with, just make ANYTHING other than what was happening on the screen happen, which was, after a short while, just back to back insanity, without as much as time to breathe or clean up the puke in between or recover my mind. From playing the game alone, I can state with absolute certainty that the dev has deep-seated mental issues and should definitely not be allowed to walk around freely.

And it gets worse. Because I am an obvious glutton for pain, I decided to check out the Patreon to sort of figure out what kind of mental patient would create something like this. And saw there was another "latest" downloadable game, "Petting Daddy" - And having suffered through Petting Daddy, it makes "Treat Me Like The Slut I Am" look like the product of a healthy, well adjusted individual, and "TMLTSIA" should be used in elementary schools as an example for a coherent and well paced narrative. Let me just strongly recommend against downloading it unless you actually want to go to prison, followed by hell, where you will most likely encounter not only the devs but also the various characters, such as the "Slut Hindenburg" and "Loli Satan"

At least, in the future, I will know immediately what to answer if someone asks me what is the worst thing I've ever played.
i did say it was shit lol not my proudest fap
 

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I did not like oversaturated thighs/chest size for female models; horrible and tasteless proportions unless you're into those odd/unrealistic proportions.
Exactly. Makes me wonder if target audience is Barbie playing schoolboys? Never seen and appreciated a real girl body? Just a thought.
 
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Exactly. Makes me wonder if target audience is Barbie playing schoolboys? Never seen and appreciated a real girl body? Just a thought.
If they were into realism, they wouldn't be playing porn games.

Counter point: All those women schlicking it to "Twilight"/"50 shades of gray" where you have the dominant 20something misunderstood bachelor self-made-man billionaire (with or without superpowers) as the main love interest, are they also all barbie playing school girls? Who have their Ken be an "Astronaut Billionaire who fights crime on the side" too? Porn exaggerates the traits that the target audience finds attractive, be it tits & ass, or this frankensteined combination of dominance, youth, wealth and personal issues.
 

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If they were into realism, they wouldn't be playing porn games.

Counter point: All those women schlicking it to "Twilight"/"50 shades of gray" where you have the dominant 20something misunderstood bachelor self-made-man billionaire (with or without superpowers) as the main love interest, are they also all barbie playing school girls? Who have their Ken be an "Astronaut Billionaire who fights crime on the side" too? Porn exaggerates the traits that the target audience finds attractive, be it tits & ass, or this frankensteined combination of dominance, youth, wealth and personal issues.
Yeah. But I disliked 50 shades of gray. Didn't finish it. :)
 
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Judging from the title, not sure I want to. :)
I'd say "Don't be afraid", but I'd be lying. Be very afraid, it's much worse than the title suggest.
You BASTARD! You made me check this out. I originally assumed this was some nip game based on the title, but apparently it wasn't, so I downloaded it. And had the most unpleasant experience playing a porn game ever. I mean, you know how in Big Brother, you have to grind for hours to get something new happen? I was BEGGING for that to happen in this game, just to make the horribleness stop or at least slow down, this gruesome, retch-inducing vomit that my eyes were assaulted with, just make ANYTHING other than what was happening on the screen happen, which was, after a short while, just back to back insanity, without as much as time to breathe or clean up the puke in between or recover my mind. From playing the game alone, I can state with absolute certainty that the dev has deep-seated mental issues and should definitely not be allowed to walk around freely.

And it gets worse. Because I am an obvious glutton for pain, I decided to check out the Patreon to sort of figure out what kind of mental patient would create something like this. And saw there was another "latest" downloadable game, "Petting Daddy" - And having suffered through Petting Daddy, it makes "Treat Me Like The Slut I Am" look like the product of a healthy, well adjusted individual, and "TMLTSIA" should be used in elementary schools as an example for a coherent and well paced narrative. Let me just strongly recommend against downloading it unless you actually want to go to prison, followed by hell, where you will most likely encounter not only the devs but also the various characters, such as the "Slut Hindenburg" and "Loli Satan"

At least, in the future, I will know immediately what to answer if someone asks me what is the worst thing I've ever played.
 

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The only thing I could get out of my wife is "I love sex but unlike you my mind can multitask, I don't think about spreading my legs as much as you think about spreading my legs" which is an absolutely fair point. She has me there.
 

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The only thing I could get out of my wife is "I love sex but unlike you my mind can multitask, I don't think about spreading my legs as much as you think about spreading my legs" which is an absolutely fair point. She has me there.
I think that might pinpoint it.
 
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The only thing I could get out of my wife is "I love sex but unlike you my mind can multitask, I don't think about spreading my legs as much as you think about spreading my legs" which is an absolutely fair point. She has me there.
That's also dangerous advice though, as that's how most men see women anyways, and why I often feel as though the erotic game industry is underselling female sexuality. Its always dangerous to only use personal experience, but I've never found women to be nearly as adverse to sex as men seem to think they are.
 

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That's also dangerous advice though, as that's how most men see women anyways, and why I often feel as though the erotic game industry is underselling female sexuality. Its always dangerous to only use personal experience, but I've never found women to be nearly as adverse to sex as men seem to think they are.
We aren't. Well, I'm not. For Europe and Amercias I'd guess this is deeply rooted and twisted Christian morality. And I say twisted, because in this age even some pretty orthodox christians start to see that sex is there not only for procreation, but also for pleasure and fun.

And @darthseduction , especially for you, answer to the first question from great Adele: Enjoy :)
 

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We aren't. Well, I'm not. For Europe and Amercias I'd guess this is deeply rooted and twisted Christian morality. And I say twisted, because in this age even some pretty orthodox christians start to see that sex is there not only for procreation, but also for pleasure and fun.

And @darthseduction , especially for you, answer to the first question from great Adele: Enjoy :)
"And a pizza is when someone's being naasty" HAHAHAHAHA