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MisterMaya

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ocean likes this!
a neverending steady income/job for generations to come...
I don't know how many scumbags you've had to deal with because God knows this industry is full of milkers, but I'm not one of them, and neither is Ocean, who works very hard and gets shit by a lot of ignorant people who don't know the work that goes behind the curtain
Secondly, I can't even pay for my monthly groceries with what I make on Patreon, so much for a steady income for generations to come
 
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Abhai

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I don't know how much scumbag you've had to deal with because God knows this industry is full of milkers, but I'm not one of them, and neither is Ocean, who works very hard and gets shit by a lot of ignorant people who don't know the work that goes behind the curtain
Secondly, I can't even pay for my monthly groceries with what I make on Patreon, so much for a steady income for generations to come
dont take it too seriuously, please...my point was more on estimated game length, for which i do hope it wont be more than 5 episodes. otherwise you probably wont manage to finish it ever...which would be a shame considering its potential and quality.

btw, you shouldnt look up at ocean as a role model in that regard - the dude is almost everything one decent avn dev shouldnt be...i would even say that only two things are certain - everyone will die and he wont finish (nor even he will be close to it) neither of his projects/games.

at the end, wish you best luck with your project.
you certainly deserve much better support and fiongers crossed you will get it sooner than later.
 
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I don't know how many scumbags you've had to deal with because God knows this industry is full of milkers, but I'm not one of them, and neither is Ocean, who works very hard and gets shit by a lot of ignorant people who don't know the work that goes behind the curtain
Secondly, I can't even pay for my monthly groceries with what I make on Patreon, so much for a steady income for generations to come
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tell them brother tell them let them know
 
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I thought he was very honest with his previous game, even though many of us were left wanting more at the end.

And this game will not have many chapters, because if you played the first one, you will see that the chapters are very long, so long that only Chapter 1 has to have more content than 4 or 5 chapters of other games.

So I don't know where the milking comes from, especially with a completed game :WeSmart:.
 
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Abhai

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and again who (seriously) said anything about milking in this game? is "milking" topic soo sensitive, that even some (bad) joke about it causes people instantly jumping to defend games/devs:LUL:

there are devs that prolong game develeping endlessly (under various excuses) and they could be called milkers, for sure...this dev isnt one of those, and i hope he wont ever become one either.
regarding ocean, thats just my opinion...do check the facts, and tell me im wrong there:BootyTime:
 

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and again who (seriously) said anything about milking in this game? is "milking" topic soo sensitive, that even some (bad) joke about it causes people instantly jumping to defend games/devs:LUL:

there are devs that prolong game develeping endlessly (under various excuses) and they could be called milkers, for sure...this dev isnt one of those, and i hope he wont ever become one either.
regarding ocean, thats just my opinion...do check the facts, and tell me im wrong there:BootyTime:
I believe this was your part in the comment...
a neverending steady income/job for generations to come...
Put yourself in the shoes of a developer who is struggling to get clients and then reads this on a site that makes their game available to anyone.
 

Abhai

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I believe this was your part in the comment...
yeah, and that is a"joking" part (my bad if that was that bad, as ive mentioned above), at least regarding this dev...a bit less jokingly in regard to some other devs which seemingly do intend to make it neverending income source for them, their children and their grandchildren.
yet better to put full stop on this discussion and its "sensitive topic". it goes nowhere and its escalated quickly in the wrong direction.
 

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I don't know how many scumbags you've had to deal with because God knows this industry is full of milkers, but I'm not one of them, and neither is Ocean, who works very hard and gets shit by a lot of ignorant people who don't know the work that goes behind the curtain
Secondly, I can't even pay for my monthly groceries with what I make on Patreon, so much for a steady income for generations to come
maybe add incest, harem, kinks (worked for vinovella).
 

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dont take it too seriuously, please...my point was more on estimated game length, for which i do hope it wont be more than 5 episodes. otherwise you probably wont manage to finish it ever...which would be a shame considering its potential and quality.

btw, you shouldnt look up at ocean as a role model in that regard - the dude is almost everything one decent avn dev shouldnt be...i would even say that only two things are certain - everyone will die and he wont finish (nor even he will be close to it) neither of his projects/games.

at the end, wish you best luck with your project.
you certainly deserve much better support and fiongers crossed you will get it sooner than later.
Disagree about literally everything lol

Nothing worse than way too short 5 chapter avns. When you feel youre finally immersed its already over and everything felt pointless.

And some avn (esp leaning to the slice of life side) are possible to stay ongoing (as long as they get enough interest, why not) and can work flawlessly like that.
 

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dont take it too seriuously, please...my point was more on estimated game length, for which i do hope it wont be more than 5 episodes. otherwise you probably wont manage to finish it ever...which would be a shame considering its potential and quality.

btw, you shouldnt look up at ocean as a role model in that regard - the dude is almost everything one decent avn dev shouldnt be...i would even say that only two things are certain - everyone will die and he wont finish (nor even he will be close to it) neither of his projects/games.

at the end, wish you best luck with your project.
you certainly deserve much better support and fiongers crossed you will get it sooner than later.
Thanks, I'll do my best!
 

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Yeah I personally hope it's more than 5 chapters. 5 Chapters to me just doesn't feel long enough for most games even if they have alot of content per chapter. With what I have played so far of this one, I feel 5 would be way to short and rushed with the amount of LI and what not.
 

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Yeah I personally hope it's more than 5 chapters. 5 Chapters to me just doesn't feel long enough for most games even if they have alot of content per chapter. With what I have played so far of this one, I feel 5 would be way to short and rushed with the amount of LI and what not.
I make your words mine. 5 would be very short, and having a college theme can let the game be long, even more with a college law theme, it doesn't look like as just a simple background, he can create a lot of content, a short game is a missed oportunity
 
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As long as the quality stays high and updates are regular, I don't care how long it goes, tbh.
 
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I think the people who say that 5 chapters is short are still thinking in terms of VNs that were made in 2018 and finished in 2019. Are you sure you want more than 5 chapters with yearly updates? Eventually, Ren'Py and Daz will become outdated, and the dev will end up reworking old chapters.
 
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I think the people who say that 5 chapters is short are still thinking in terms of VNs that were made in 2018 and finished in 2019. Are you sure you want more than 5 chapters with yearly updates? Eventually, Ren'Py and Daz will become outdated, and the dev will end up reworking old chapters.
remaking while still in development leads to destruction.
 

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I think the people who say that 5 chapters is short are still thinking in terms of VNs that were made in 2018 and finished in 2019. Are you sure you want more than 5 chapters with yearly updates? Eventually, Ren'Py and Daz will become outdated, and the dev will end up reworking old chapters.
How I see it a AVN is like an anime or TV series I am along for the ride until it's cancelled 5 , 10 , 15 or 20 years doesn't matter to me. Of course id like to see any project finished. Unless a dev puts a stupid number of renders or does alot of story telling in each chapter. For me 5 chapters doesn't feel like it's enough for most AVN's out there to tell a story in full without making cuts to the story or rushing a ending in a significant way. Even more so when the AVN is more of a slice of life than story focused one and also the amount of LI does play a factor into that as well.

While that is my general opinion in reality I don't care. What matters is any dev feels like they were able to tell the story they wanted to tell length doesn't matter at all.

Sure. I wouldn't be alive for the whole thing, but I find most AVN endings to be anticlimactic anyway. Give me a good story, fun characters, and keep me entertained along the way and I'm happy.
100% all that matters is you have fun and were entertained . so this is my stance as well. Honestly I hate endings too even if they are good cause if it's a series I enjoy it's sad as shit to think it's over and there is no more , especially when it's a slice of life.
 
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