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Now, if that doesn't get a "thumbs-up" I don't know WTF I'm doing 
- Thread starter Crazygamer43
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Yeah .. that either Robin or Kira kind a flusters anyone starting the game, especially because of how tight those two are.
This is the first big thing for MC in this game, leaping some hurdles in himself and getting his hopes waaAAaay up.
This is the first big thing for MC in this game, leaping some hurdles in himself and getting his hopes waaAAaay up.
very good game with strong emphasis on emotions. Very immersive had a scene that made me cry for 7min straight
(only picture text game to date that did that). About half way through at the moment the story have nearly 20k pictures at this date.
(only picture text game to date that did that). About half way through at the moment the story have nearly 20k pictures at this date.
- Aug 22, 2018
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I will admit that is the only thing I truly hate in this game and the reason I avoid those 2.
They are shown to have incredibly strong feelings for each other and have this bond that's has transcended any issue thrown their way.
They have this amazing relationship that they both love.
Yet they are willing to throw it away for a man they met 5 minutes ago.
Okay .... sure. It made their relationship look shallow and forced and I just can't take it seriously knowing how easily they are willing to discard the person they claim to love to be with a guy they just met.
But they aren't willing to give it up. They are willing to experiment. Kira looks very into the MC. But she has a talk with Robin where they affirm their love for each other and that they enjoy having a nice penis to play with. But I never got the feeling that they were willing to ditch each other for the MC.
- Aug 22, 2018
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Except they can. They both have a solo route and even talk about how they are willing to break up if he doesn't want both.
It just completely shit on everything they said beforehand and turned their relationship from loving to fanservice for the easy throuple if wanted.
Hmm, but that isn't what happens? They stay together, regardless of the path you chose. Right?
- Aug 22, 2018
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I tried to avoid them from the beginning. Felt like an asshole for meddling in their relationship.
It always annoyed me in games like this. For example, there is a lesbian couple and suddenly the mc appears in their life, who is amazing and cheerful and heals them of lesbianism with his magical dick and the girls are ready to accept him into their relationship or break up for him. It turns out that the long-term relationship between them was just a protracted experiment in anticipation of the right man.
- Aug 22, 2018
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I didn't mind it at first.
I know some female couples do like to invite a man in, especially bi couples or those into poly.
It only got a problem later on. At first it was seeing if he could fit into their relationship and trying to make it so everyone would be happy. They talked about their bond and how much they loved each other and I thought it would make a great throuple if it worked out, if not they still had each other.
It wasn't until after they talked about this great bond they had they dropped the route killing stuff. The "we are so in love with each other, we are soulmates" stuff to "but we'll totally break up and be with you, a guy we literally just met"
It just took a massive steaming shit on their entire relatonship and just cheapened it to "here's an easy throuple you can have with no work or if that doesn't take your fancy you can have them solo, they don't matter".
I really enjoy all the other routes and they is fantastic but the whole Kira and Robin thing just rubs me the wrong way and I hate it so much.
I can see you feel very deeply about it. For me, I agree with Wutki, they are lesbians in a strong relationship. I am not going to fall for a lesbian. I do not understand why so many guys on this site want to have sex with the lesbian character. Or why more people do not get upset that they are all of a sudden invited into a lesbian relationship.
I tried playing through again because I thought I had hit every route and that they stay with each other regardless of whether you chose a solo or threeway route. But I am getting a lot of Sancho mod errors. Not sure what that is about.
I tried playing through again because I thought I had hit every route and that they stay with each other regardless of whether you chose a solo or threeway route. But I am getting a lot of Sancho mod errors. Not sure what that is about.
- Jan 19, 2020
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Good afternoon. Just an FYI:
SanchoMod is updated to Core v6. Go get you some (or don't, you do you).
New features including SanchoCheats, menu choice opacity, completely rewritten SanchoGallery, GUI tweak enhancements, etc. Still fully compatible with Steam version. Enjoy and regards.
SanchoMod is updated to Core v6. Go get you some (or don't, you do you).
New features including SanchoCheats, menu choice opacity, completely rewritten SanchoGallery, GUI tweak enhancements, etc. Still fully compatible with Steam version. Enjoy and regards.
- Sep 20, 2018
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Yeah, the problems started in Chapter 5 when something was obviously troubling Robin and the MC couldn't be bothered to care even though he just inserted himself into her relationship (one way or the other). Then we got the flashback of Kira's tragic backstory where her family apparently correctly predicted that her lesbianism was a fad she'd grow out of. Then we learned that both girls unilaterally decided to move back to Kira's home and resolve her backstory regardless of where they allegedly stand with the MC.
I liked the Kira/Robin paths in Chapter 4, but at this point it's a total disaster. It feels like Kira and Robin were characters in a totally different game and the footage with the MC was clumsily inserted into theirs to pad out the running time.
General comment to the thread:
One of my businesses was providing technical talent to various companies. I'm chatting with a prospect, only to discover a weird connection. In my neck of the woods, various companies had male and female basket ball teams. A very close friend coached the women's team for his company. They made it to the finals and lost by a last minute shot at the buzzer.
So I'm talking with her and she describes making that shot and watching, with great satisfaction, the opposing coach (my friend) crumple. This takes us into a set of conversations outside what is common for a business interview, and we end up making each other available for conversations and the occasional lunch. She's gay and in a 10 year relationship with a woman with whom she mutually owns a house.
Long story short I get a ping to meet her for lunch because she want's to talk about her life. So she met a guy and she decided that she didn't want to be in a lesbian relationship any longer. She didn't want to hurt her partner, but she'd found someone who could make her happy. She said she wanted my advice, but I think the just wanted to talk through her feelings and options. Her choice cost her almost all of her female friends (which I suspect is why she chose to talk through it with me), but roughly 18 months later she was married, pregnant, and as happy as someone can be in the real world.
My point is this. When it comes to relationships, and the human heart, things can change drastically in a matter of weeks or even days. Real life is more varied than any of us can understand. Low probability doesn't equate to NO probability.
One of my businesses was providing technical talent to various companies. I'm chatting with a prospect, only to discover a weird connection. In my neck of the woods, various companies had male and female basket ball teams. A very close friend coached the women's team for his company. They made it to the finals and lost by a last minute shot at the buzzer.
So I'm talking with her and she describes making that shot and watching, with great satisfaction, the opposing coach (my friend) crumple. This takes us into a set of conversations outside what is common for a business interview, and we end up making each other available for conversations and the occasional lunch. She's gay and in a 10 year relationship with a woman with whom she mutually owns a house.
Long story short I get a ping to meet her for lunch because she want's to talk about her life. So she met a guy and she decided that she didn't want to be in a lesbian relationship any longer. She didn't want to hurt her partner, but she'd found someone who could make her happy. She said she wanted my advice, but I think the just wanted to talk through her feelings and options. Her choice cost her almost all of her female friends (which I suspect is why she chose to talk through it with me), but roughly 18 months later she was married, pregnant, and as happy as someone can be in the real world.
My point is this. When it comes to relationships, and the human heart, things can change drastically in a matter of weeks or even days. Real life is more varied than any of us can understand. Low probability doesn't equate to NO probability.
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Except that his real life version, there was no one to catch her when she jumped.....I'm sorry but did that incident really happen with the author?
I'm really sorry for bringing this up.
sobbing again.
- Sep 20, 2018
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I don't object to Kira and/or Robin wanting to bed the MC, I object to the way Kira and Robin's relationship plays out the exact same way regardless of whether they do. That's what makes it such a muddled mess. The inconsistency makes their relationship look trite and the MC look uncaring or ludicrously short-sighted (if not both).
- Aug 22, 2018
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The problem isn't them wanting to be with him, it's that they want to be together but if he only wants one of them they will break up.
It's not their choice, it's his.
He's entering their relationship and saying "well, I want you but I don't want you so now you break up".
The main problem with the whole throuple not throuple thing is that 99% of the game is so well done. Not only is mental health dealt with incredibly well, it plays with the heartstrings easily with most of the cast.
Then you come to Kira and Robin and it's so badly done and full of so much bullshit that it's like it was added on by someone else. It's so bad it just doesn't fit with the rest of the game.
It's like added DLC because people wanted a possible throuple but the dev didn't have the time so he outsourced it to his drunk Uncle Fred who's only relationship is with pornhub, a box of tissues, some orange scented lube and his right hand.
It would have been far better if they were just friends but could have been more if you went that route rather than the absolute hot mess it currently is.
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I always figured it was deliberate that drifty opened up the game introducing us to Kira and Robin. However I always figured the narrative reasoning behind their inclusion of MC into their relationship was meant to add context behind their conflict later on in chapter 5/6. It's definitely a believable conflict caused by a lack of communication as Robin believes she "stole" Kira's chance at life and raising a family away from her, but I never went with the option of forcing them to breakup since to me that would end up breaking the story later on.
The potential relationship dynamic feels out of character compared to the rest of the story, but it definitely feels as though there is an intentional path Drifty wants us to take. While some of the other relationships (like Steph and Linda) feel better integrated into the main plot, both Kira and Robin suffer as a throuple or solo relationship with either of them breaks the plot in a significant way.
It's always difficult writing a story with branching paths in mind since the complexity of the plot increases exponentially. However this story is one of the few that handled it surprisingly well without too many continuity errors.
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None of us were prepared for how hard that scene was going to hit. I knew it was going to be a brutal scene based on the warning screen and title of the chapter, but I was severely underprepared for just how close to reality it was.
That message at the end makes a ton more sense now. I figured Drifty must've experienced someone suffering from depression, but it never crossed my mind that he was essentially recounting a personal story of his.
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Thank you for the questions. I've tried answering them to the best of my abilities, but if I botched something, just nod and smile like I'm doing great.
I've skipped a few questions, as they were similar to other questions where I've included the answer to both when answering.
What is the scene you're most proud of..and is there one you would redo?
- tonymack21
Looking at LoF as a whole, I can't really pinpoint a single scene I'm the most proud of. When I release a chapter I always want it to have (a) scene(s) that stands out in some way. Mostly, these scenes spawn from me having a brainstorming moment, and two weeks later when I put it together and watch the result I sit there thinking "did I just use two weeks making this scene which lasts 1,5 minutes?" But I think these scenes are worth it and add to the more kinetic way of telling a story with images and text, and I take more pride in putting these in than being able to select one of them. But when I sat there in Daz Studio, with the MC in the bunny slippers, bopping his toes up and down to the music playing in the background, giggling to myself, I just thought "fuck it, I'm doing it". And I'm glad I did. Your reaction to it helped me realize I should just lower my shoulders and do stuff like that more often.
There's not a particular moment I'd like to redo visually. LoF also tells the story of me having downloaded Daz studio and started this right away to where I'm now. Sure, there are some facial expressions that can be improved here and there, the Kira and Robin path could have done with a rework, and maybe some images that could have been improved with better lighting or higher quality textures, but all in all I'm happy with it. If I were to redo it, I would do a complete overhaul and release it again in the Unreal or Unity engine in a 3d environment. That, to me, is a redo. Not small changes to images.
What will you try to do differently to make sure that this music issue doesn't happen for the next game?
- Michael Arias
I have already found a site offering music that are cleared adult content games. Of course, there's a higher chance that you've heard the song before in another game, but that's the downside of it I'm afraid. I'm also contacting musicians directly to get perpetual licenses with no adult restrictions. Other than that, there's not much I can do.
Will the music make its way back to the game ?
- carlos eduardo pereira titão
It's hard to answer because it depends on several things. When I got the ok from Artlist back in 2020, I decided to make full use of their huge library, as I could make music an integral part of the game. After the removal from Steam, I have contacted several of the musicians used in the original score, and many of them have been positive to sell me licenses of their music for Leap of Faith - even considering it's an adult game. Though, it will cost around $100,000 to reinsert all the music in its (close to) original form.
Sadly, that kind of investment is not worth it if the game continues to be removed from Steam, as it will put me into the red for a game I have worked on intensively for more than two years, where I will have no market to sell it on, and the customer base (you guys) already have the full music version downloaded and will get to keep forever.
On the flip side, if the game gets reinstated into the Steam store, it will at least generate some form of income that can be used to refill the music, even if it takes away the profit - which I have no problem with.
Lastly, some of the newer players that only have played the silent version of LoF and don't know any other version, come to me saying it's a great game even as a silent game.
Do you feel up to sharing a little bit about your inspiration for Cece? Please don't feel like you have to.
-M M
When I started diving into developing Cece's character I was picking up my son at school. So as I sat in my car waiting, I saw a girl exciting the school walking down the street. A bit later she walked into a light pole because she was too busy looking at her phone. She then gave the light pole a slight kick, saw me, waved, then continued on her way.
My main point is, you pick up something here and something there without pinpointing any direct source of inspiration. That's just one of many different situations that helped create Cece (or any of the other characters in LoF). I wanted a character that was socially awkward, a bit childish in her views of life, with struggles I'd seen up close.
So, even if a real person inspired the story of Leap of Faith, there's no real-life equivalent to Cece. She is a fictional character like all the other characters in Leap of Faith. But I had a very strong vision of how I wanted Cece to be, and when I saw the model, I instantly knew "that's Cece". The only reference to real life is the main story and my daughter's favorite color was purple, which is why Cece's character's name is purple, she has purple stripes in her hair, and her eyes sometimes flash purple. The name Cece is related to my daughter's friend, who survived the jump.
Will the next game be an entirely new one with new characters or will some characters make a return?
- Michael Arias
My next story is a completely new story. I've been working on the storyline for more than a year, and I looking forward to starting it. Even though it has a 'path' that is similar to Leap of Faith, it's not Leap of Faith 2, which is both exciting and terrifying. But I think you will enjoy it still.
There has already been several references in LoF to a location that is central to the new game. Furthermore, Christine (or Sea as you might be more familiar with) will be a love interest in that one, so it's not unthinkable that there will be references to LoF characters, or you'll hear Lexi on the radio somewhere. The chance that you'll actually see the characters from LoF is not very likely (although you never know with me).
What will the next game be about, and is it going to be sci-fi, vampire, medievil? Is it a female mc, or a male mc? what "tags" will be in the game? will patrons be mentioned in this game and the next? and what tiers if so? Do we get any say in the next game? Like you pose a girl with 3 different dress or color, and we get to vote?
- Johnni Schrøder
I've decided against giving out any information about my next game other than the occasional references that already exist in LoF. I've seen comments like "I'll play anything Drifty makes, except [insert random genre/tag here]". I honestly just want to release a game that I think you'll enjoy diving into, and can enjoy for what it is. Obviously, with the already in-game references, you can exclude some genres and make some assumptions. Other than that, I'm afraid you'll just have to wait and see.
The game is designed slightly differently, with me wanting to give you a lot of say in character customization for the next game, and you'll get options to vote for clothing sets and in some cases scenes. At some point, I'll also launch a character customization poll where you get to decide on how one of the love interests looks - but all in due time.
Several patrons are already referenced or mentioned in LoF, among them all of the original Leap of Faith tier holders. The current Leap of Faith tier will also get a special reference in the ending scenes of their favorite character as Leap of Faith is concluded. I'm a huge fan of these references and will keep doing them for my next game.
I'm really curious to learn about how you have learnt to construct a story so well, and how you conclude that a character (probably from your personal experience) is worth putting into your game.
- HUN
Creating the characters' personalities is a lot of fun. I ask myself random questions like "what does she like, what's her biggest fear, does she have any quirks, what does she hate, what's her biggest secret... all kinds of questions. Sometimes the answer even surprises me. Then when the visuals are ready and load them into Daz, I ask the character the same questions and see them answering them. What do they answer, are they comfortable answering, do they look down, smile, feel you're intruding their private space etc. Sometimes what they "answered" also surprised me.
Things like that makes me feel that I know the characters, so when I load them into a scene I know how they will react to whatever mischief I (or they) come up with. The same goes for poses, where I use different pose packs as bases when posing the different characters throughout the story. Helps add character to the characters.
Did you already have a background in programming and/or rendering work before you decided to make this game? And if not, how hard was it to learn, particularly the rendering work? (which I assume was done with DAZ 3D/IRAY)
- Wesley
I was fumbling around in Daz Studio in the beginning when I tried to get comfortable with the controls, so the first two days were a huge struggle. This was also when I used about 6 hours posing the MC on the bed for when he woke up at the beginning of the story. Other than that, it's not a very complicated program to learn, once you get past the basics of learning your eyes what to look for.
For the programming/Renpy parts, I was lucky to have been using "classic ASP" a lot of years back, which is similar to Python - used in Renpy. I'd say anybody can learn how to use Renpy as it's easy to learn, but the programming experience I had from way back helped me design things such as the in-game phone and some other events.
But both Daz Studio and Renpy are very forgiving, and you can do a lot with a minimum amount of pre-knowledge. As with all popular programs, the first 80% is easy to learn. The last 20 takes a bit of effort.
How much time do you devote (roughly) to writing? Do you come up with the entire story before starting the programming side of the story? Or is it more of as you work though a chapter, if another idea comes up, do you change right away? Or stick to the original to see how much it would change/affect the next chapter(s)?
- Shade Ducharme
I create the whole story from beginning to end in a very rough draft. I feel this is very important, as since I know what's going to happen 4 chapters from the one I'm working on, I can foreshadow future events, or give hints or pointers. Then I start thinking about small pieces of dialogue, background art, or places that have some kind of meaning which the reader is not going to know at the time of reading it the first time.
By then I should know roughly how long I want the story to be and can start dividing it into chapters that are of equal length. I also want the chapters to have some kind of ending that reveals or foreshadows something so it's more than just another standard scene. At this point, the chapters are just very rough reference points, where I know generally what will happen, but without much details.
From this point on, it's about adding events to the chapters. Mainly, what are they going to do, what assets are needed, how much work it is to create that scene I would like, or if the scenes are even doable with the assets available. I also work on character or relationship progression and the general idea of how dialogue is going to be.
That's all I know before I start the actual work on the chapters. For the actual scenes, I load everything, look around for different things I can toy around with, camera angles, how to place the characters, if I can make something of them arriving or leaving and so forth. I make up the dialogue in my head and render the different images portraying that.
Then about 1000 renders in when making the chapters, I start the actual Renpy work where I piece everything together and dot down the final dialogue. This is by far the quickest part of making this, because I already have all the visuals. When I see the renders I've done, I remember the dialogue, and all that remains is to get it 'down on paper'.
What is with the MC commenting on her [Lexi's] hair for some of the responses?
- Skep
Lexi's hair asset is called "Cafe Curls", and it's horrible to work with. I told myself I would never ever use it, because of just that. Lexi even had Kira's hair at one point when I was making her. So when I did some tests in the bar where you meet her for the first time I put on those Cafe Curls as a test, because I had no other hair available at the time.
When I saw the test render I just knew that was Lexi and silently cursed because I knew I had to struggle with that hair for thousands of renders until the end of LoF.
So the "horrible hair" reference that's going on between the mc and Lexi is more of a dev joke that other devs who have used that hair will know so very, very well.
what does the "option missed" mean for each character at the end of the chapter?
- Skep
When seeing discussions about other VNs I often see references to "oh, you didn't see that scene?" because of something the player did or didn't do in the game. The 'options missed' are things that could potentially lead to missing (or already missed) scenes, and I'm letting you know about it.
Have you settled on a name for the next game?
- TheExoticTitan
Yes, I have. The art is even prepared. I won't reveal it just yet, but you might want to wait for the inevitable "avengers ending" at the last screen of the last chapter of LoF.
Thank you again for the diverse questions. I'll be back with the normal dev diary next Friday.
Have a nice weekend, and stay safe out there.
// Drifty