Elhemeer
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Okay, so, with how much you like Cece, I'm gonna give you what might seem like a weird sugestion for your next play through... Do a Kera/MC play through and set Chris up with Robin... Here's why I say this...
Even though the Lexi Route is my favorite play through, just slightly over the Cece route, the Kira/MC-Robin/Chris ending is my favorite ending... For the longest time, Kira didn't really interest me at all. I played all the other routes first and played hers last only because I am a completionalist and wanted to play all the routes.
But when I finally played her route, the way I saw her completely changed.
Remember when Kira kisses Cece at Lexi's and calls her sis? That's because Kira relates to what Cece is going through. Kira may not have had the exact same issue as Cece, but she had her own issues that she had to deal with and struggled with for years. Through the course of Kira's route, if you pay close attention, it is almost a mirror for what Cece could have gone through if she had been further along her route when she met the MC. For Kira, Robin was her MC who helped her through her worst times, and seeing how Kira came through it, and where she ends up, gives you hope for the future that Cece will find for herself somewhere out there along that bus trip into the big wide world.
I do remember Kira kissing Cece yes, I also remember how emotional she was whilst Cece was telling her story. It was clear that Kira could relate in some way to what Cece was going through but I never found out more.
I will have to try a Kira/MC + Chris/Robin play through, I do think Kira is an interesting character and that is certainly an interesting perspective. Thank you!
I will have to try a Kira/MC + Chris/Robin play through, I do think Kira is an interesting character and that is certainly an interesting perspective. Thank you!
juajua312
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Guys, I'm going to download this game. The mini synopsis on the page intrigued me, but I honestly don't know what it's about exactly or whether I'll actually like it. Could someone explain the plot and give me some advice?
txe320
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Yeah, the only advice I can give you is; play without a walkthrough for your first playthrough and be ready for a rollercoaster of emotions. Pick your favorite girl, and enjoy!
You can use a walkthrough for the other paths tho, they all deserves it!
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Do not play without a box of tissues next to you. Trust me.
however, i don't think you'll need them tissues for what you normally would, you pervert.
Damn, what a cool story. Gotta replay it after such a long break.
It's hard to summarise the story without spoiling it.
The game does indulge some standard AVN tropes - like the main character being attractive to every woman in the game (including the famous pop star who happens to be in town, and the lesbian couple who happen to be in the market for a sperm donor) - but it also has some unique elements - like the suicidal homeless girl, or the bunny slippers.
The story does treat its cast well - they all have their own stories and characters, and have interactions among each other rather than everything revolving around the player.
The one thing I'd call out that's a bit spoilery is that the game was made in response to the creator's daughter's suicide, and there are parts of the game where the creator's knowledge and experience are very obvious. It's not just a story about a horny young man playing the field before settling down in a couple (or throuple) to live happily ever after; it's also a story about a young woman throwing herself off a bridge, but being caught rather than falling, and what that means for her and the person who catches her - and all the other people in both their lives.
There are parts of the game that I still tear up just thinking about, but, as a wise (if fictional) man once said: "not all tears are an evil", and that's what makes this game one that's stuck with me where other AVNs get forgotten.
Instead of giving Cece a backstory, this game gives us a lesbian storyline that I couldn't care less about. It could have been so much better. I'm disappointed.
txe320
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Look, let me give you a more detailed example so you understand what I'm saying. What I mean is, there was a scene in the barn related to Kira and Robin that was set in the past, but there was no other scene related to Cece's past besides the one with her sister. I understand that the story is about people who don't know each other, and that's fine, but seeing things about the past of other characters and having so little information about the character who seems to be the main problem felt like something was missing. Don't worry, I liked the game. I wrote what I wrote early in the morning, so it might have come out a bit aggressive, but I just thought that a good game could be even better. Also, I understood perfectly well what the game was about, my friend.
Elhemeer
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You don't think all the dialogue from Cece about her past and her family was "backstory"? We get as much of that from her as we do from anyone.
It's fine if you didn't like the fact that the story had lesbian characters in it -- or maybe just those characters -- but just say that you don't like the lesbian characters. Don't blame your understanding -- or lack-thereof -- of Cece's story on the part of the game you weren't interested in.
It would make sense if you said you wished the story focused more on Cece as a whole. But as you admit, that's not what the game is intended to be ... and yet it still is what the story is about, it's just told through everyone's point of view, not just hers.
The chat about Linda's past the night of their arrival didn't seem to interfere with your enjoyment -- that wasn't any more a "backstory scene" than Cece occasionally talking about her family, or when she tells everyone about her problems at confessions. Stephanie's interludes didn't seem to bother you, and she had more than any other character. I'm guessing Lexi's story didn't either.
Based on everything that was revealed in the story, Cece had a good homelife and loving relationship with her family. Her mental health issues were what drove her to leave. She stayed in contact with them. They missed her and were worried about her, but were not turning the world upside down to find her, giving her the space she made clear she needed. So I'm not sure how showing another interaction with her family -- instead of the interaction between Kira and Robin -- would have given us any more important knowledge of her character than what we get.
Would it have been better if we saw some scenes of just the family without Cece? That we knew they were leaving her fate in her hands? Or that they were trying to find her but hadn't been able too? Personally, I think that would have taken more away from the story than anything, and it wouldn't have fit with the rest of the storytelling either.
It wasn't that Kira and Robin's story took away from Cece, it was that it didn't appeal to you, so it took away from your overall enjoyment. There's nothing wrong with that ... as long as you can admit it.
Also (and this is more nitpicky on my part), calling Cece "The Main Problem" rather than the catalyst for the whole story is interesting, and weird. Her issues are the main problem, but SHE isn't.
Also-also, I'm guessing you only did a Cece playthrough, which may not be true, but that's what I'm getting from your comments. Give the others a try (I'd say all of them, but I don't really think that's a reasonable request at this point). You'll get more out of everyone's story (even Cece's) if you do.
First of all, unlike those friends who think they're smarter than everyone else, you gave a proper answer, so thank you for that, and I agree with most of what you wrote. But I don't hate lesbian characters; if I did, I would say so, as you said. It's just that I've seen the game's approach to the Kira and Robin characters in dozens of other games and series. I don't think it offered a different take compared to the stories of the other characters. (I only played part of their story; it didn't motivate me to continue.) Holly and Lexi didn't bother me because I think their story was interesting even without the main character. (I COULD EXPLAIN THIS TOO, BUT LET'S NOT GET OFF TOPIC.) The game needed to tell their story to some extent. I REALIZE THAT. Like you said, I didn't like that part, and I admit I was wrong in my first comment; I wrote as if I was judging the game based on the lesbian relationship.
I realize why people are so hung up on me not understanding the game; my first comment was overly superficial, and I couldn't express what was on my mind. English is not my native language, so I may not be able to explain some things well enough. What I meant to say was that Cece wasn't the main problem in the story; that part was a translation error. As the game itself says, the focus of the story wasn't Cece's recovery, but how the character Cece touched the lives of the other characters, and how these characters came together in some way during a part of their lives.
I realize that Cece and the other characters' dialogues provide background information, but I would have liked to see the events through the emotional expressions of the moment (the shoe scene with Linda, for example). But this is a visual novel made years ago. This expectation may again be personal and unrealistic. I am aware of that. One reason I focused on Cece's story was that I had experienced similar things myself. Maybe I was expecting a similar story. Instead of attributing the entire story to mental health issues, I would have preferred the events or people to be a little more in the foreground in Cece's situation. But that's not the game's problem, it's my expectation's. Anyway, let me reiterate, I understood very well what the story was trying to convey. I KNOW THE STORY IS NOT JUST ABOUT CECE. I was just disappointed that there weren't a few more scenes like the ones with Cece and her sister. IN MY OPINION, at least one or two more scenes involving her family or other people would have added to the story. ‘Maybe a despotic father like Kira's father’. BUT I also don't like the idea of the story completely shifting Cece's problems onto her family or third parties.
Also, I played the stories of Lexi,Holly, I haven't played the others yet, but I'm thinking about it.
Anyway, I liked your comment and thank you again. I won't write such a shallow comment here again.
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I avoided jumping in on this topic/conversation right away because I wanted to think on it for a bit and also read all the following comments. I did see in the other comment you wrote, that you said you don't hate lesbian content, but I wanted to throw you a suggestion that there might possibly be a deeper reason for the "lesbian" content and the barn scene.
I'll admit, the "barn scene" bored me to tears through every single play through I did right up until the final one. Why is that? Because When I finally did the MC+Kira/Chris+Robin playthrough it took on an entirely different meaning for me, and that same playthrough gave me even more insite into Cece as well.
As I have said in previous posts, during the playthrough where Kira and Robin cease to be a lesbian couple, Kira and the issues that she struggled with in the past become a sort of forshadowing mirror for how Cece also might eventually recover and move forward.
I also believe that wether he intended it or not, the restoration of the father-daughter relationship between Kira and her dad was a cathatric experiance for Drifty to help resolve some of the residual survivors guilt he most likely felt in his relationship with his own child.
This Kira ending for me strongly echos the Cece storyline and feels to me like Drifty put some of his daughter into Kira as well. I think it would be hard to write an AVN like this, on this subject, with what he went through, and not put part of his daughter into each of these women, not just Cece. But other than Cece, I see it most pointedly in this Kira ending.
I would encourage you to try the Kira+MC/Chris+Robin ending and see if the barn scene doesn't take on a deeper meaning for you as well.
I've played without any guide for the first time and it was the best decision in my opinion. The game deserve for it.
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