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ok, almost random Qestion, is this a Rose Fannett card? because the Sprite look like Koikatsu, but I can't find it (Paid/Free)
 

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This game is decent enough for following the original anime story but with sexual content, though this also can be a backfire due you having no ways of following a different path and create something new and unique.

The lack of NTR takes away plenty of challenge or freedom sensation, which no RPG with death mechanic can ever give to the player.

This is the main problem of harem games, you just collect girls like Pokemon, just switching between them or moving over to the next one with barely any real depth and emotional development, or at least consequences for focusing too much on one and neglecting another.
 
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That sounds more like complaining that a game doesn't appeal to your specific fetish than a legitimate complaint about the gameplay.
Not really, because as a novel game, there isn't much "gameplay" to be honest, the RPG aspects felt like something added only so that it could differ from other ren'py projects, but at least the creator knew this would not be much of an interesting feature and has made it optional, since it doesn't really give you any reward or punishments like an NTRPG would as i said, so most wouldn't waste time with it to get to the point.

As i have previously mentioned, you're just revisiting the same anime plot but now with a few basic sex scenes that doesn't go beyond your usual lovey-dovey romance. There is already an official DanMachi "Infinite Combate" game out there that pretty much does this, except for the sex scenes of course, so that's why i'm saying this one doesn't appeal much. I've only FF everything to see if the scenes was worth the reading, but they're very simplistic.

Another thing is the "prostitution" tag with a brothel in-game, a perfect setting for NTS/sharing/corruption themes which could add ACTUAL gameplay with management that would be related to a sex game, like collecting the materials you find on a dungeon to improve the brothel, but all of that was a big waste of potential of what this game COULD have been.
 
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Not really, because as a novel game, there isn't much "gameplay" to be honest, the RPG aspects felt like something added only so that it could differ from other ren'py projects, but at least the creator knew this would not be much of an interesting feature and has made it optional, since it doesn't really give you any reward or punishments like an NTRPG would as i said, so most wouldn't waste time with it to get to the point.

As i have previously mentioned, you're just revisiting the same anime plot but now with a few basic sex scenes that doesn't go beyond your usual lovey-dovey romance. There is already an official DanMachi "Infinite Combate" game out there that pretty much does this, except for the sex scenes of course, so that's why i'm saying this one doesn't appeal much. I've only FF everything to see if the scenes was worth the reading, but they're very simplistic.

Another thing is the "prostitution" tag with a brothel in-game, a perfect setting for NTS/sharing/corruption themes which could add ACTUAL gameplay with management that would be related to a sex game, like collecting the materials you find on a dungeon to improve the brothel, but all of that was a big waste of potential of what this game COULD have been.
Most of your criticism is based on expectations that simply have nothing to do with what the game is trying to be. You’re judging the project as if it were obligated to cater to specific niches and fetishes, when the developer never intended that. What you label as “missing” isn’t a flaw — it’s a deliberate design choice.

1. “Lack of different paths / nothing new or unique”
Legacy of Hestia is an adult parody of DanMachi. Following the structure and tone of the anime is not a problem — it’s the entire point. Demanding multiple divergent routes or a fully reinvented story goes against the game’s core purpose. The intention is to deliver an adult experience inside a familiar universe, and in that regard the game does exactly what it set out to do.

2. “No NTR = no challenge, freedom, or depth”
This is a personal preference, not an objective critique. The vast majority of VN/adult game audiences do not want NTR in light romance or harem titles. Adding it would completely change the tone of the game and alienate the playerbase that follows Winterfire’s work. The absence of NTR doesn’t remove depth; it simply avoids pushing the game toward a niche it was never meant to target.

3. “Harems are shallow by definition” — which doesn’t apply here (speaking as someone who actually played the game).
In Legacy of Hestia, you cannot jump between girls freely. Once you pick a heroine, the game locks your romance route until the end. That alone invalidates the idea that this is just “Collect girls like Pokémon” The Harem Path was added later only because players complained about being locked into a single heroine — and even then, the harem is limited to Lena, Samira, Aisha, Hestia, Liliruca, and Haruhime.
So the game originally wasn’t even a harem in the traditional sense. It had dedicated routes, permanent choices, and focused romance. Calling it “shallow” ignores how the system actually works. And expecting it to turn into an NTRPG or a consequence-heavy dating sim is not criticism — it’s asking for a completely different genre.

4. “The RPG elements are shallow / no punishments / should have been an NTRPG”
The developer made the RPG combat optional on purpose. The game is a VN with light RPG flavor, not a full dungeon crawler with punishing systems. Calling the RPG “weak” misses the point entirely: it’s a small extra, not the backbone of the experience. The developer was upfront about the game’s focus and delivered exactly that.

5. “The brothel is wasted potential without NTR, corruption, etc.”
The brothel exists because it’s part of DanMachi’s world. Treating its presence as automatic justification for NTR/sharing/corruption assumes every prostitution setting must serve those fetishes — which simply isn’t true. The game avoids those themes because they are not part of its target audience or tone.

Conclusion:
All your points circle back to the same issue: personal expectations — specifically involving NTR, corruption, and punitive mechanics — that have nothing to do with the developer’s goals or the audience the game is made for. Legacy of Hestia isn’t “bad” for not delivering what you wanted. It was never designed to be that kind of game.
Expecting it to transform into a completely different genre doesn’t turn that expectation into valid criticism. It only shows you’re evaluating the game by standards it was never meant to meet.
 

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Since we're talking about a parody here...

1. "Demanding multiple divergent routes or a fully reinvented story goes against the game’s core purpose"
Which is exactly what a parody would do. I would expect overly exaggerated funny elements, ridiculous writing (in a good way), and sex scenes that goes beyond shy couples on a first date, but all we get is the same story, written by a different author through his new perspective, without really being an abridged version with humor or a heavily sexual parody.

Failed as a parody = check.

2. "The absence of NTR doesn’t remove depth; it simply avoids pushing the game toward a niche it was never meant to target."
NTR is not a niche, it's vastly one of the most popular genres here, and if you make a quick search about it, you will realize that.
If the game doesn't appeal to any specific fetishes, like NTR, Pissing/Scat, Femdom, Foot, Pregnancy, Futa, then IT IS a game without any real depth or a specific audience, maybe except for the DanMachi fanbase itself, making it a niche game as well.

Failed to appeal to a large variety of an audience = check.

3. "The Harem Path was added later only because players complained about being locked into a single heroine"
This only proves how much flawed the game previously was even before of me saying it, and exactly what players wanted from it, and how listening to feedback is important to improve the project. By attempting to invalidade every point i have made here, you're basically saying that this game cannot be improved simply because you're also following a personal belief that it should have remained as it was, limited, flawed and all.

Failed as harem game = no, but barely, because this time feedback was heard.

4. "Calling the RPG 'weak' misses the point entirely: it’s a small extra, not the backbone of the experience"
If it's weak then why shouldn't i call it out? again, you're seriously attempting to justify all the game's flaws as if it should be admired for what it is like the Tower of Pisa for being leaned over. No, it doesn't work like that, we point out the game's mistakes, so then the creator can learn from it and improve his own game, and by doing what you are now, you're just encouraging him by saying that it's okay for him to do half-assed jobs every time and never really improve his work.

Failed as an RPG = check.

5. "The brothel exists because it’s part of DanMachi’s world. Treating its presence as automatic justification for NTR/sharing/corruption assumes every prostitution setting must serve those fetishes — which simply isn’t true"
Again, this is a GAME, and also a parody, and has SEXUAL CONTENT. There is freedom for the creator to change anything from the source material and exploit it in a clever way.
Prostituition is only one thing, and it's about a person, mostly a woman, selling out her body for money or other favors, and this is EXACTLY what would one expect from a game, a sexual one, with this specific tag on, and mostly one with a brothel.

Failed as a game with sexual content = check.

Conclusion:
This game clearly fails at almost everything it attempts to do. It lacks interesting sexual scenes, doesn't appeal to any specific audience with bold fetishes or even popular ones, it has no fun gameplay mechanics and wastes plenty of potential by playing far too safe and heavily relying on its source material.

Read the other reviews for having a better understanding of what this game lacks and how it could have been improved, because half the people are complaining about the failing as an RPG game or not having appealing sex scenes.

I was even generous enough to give a 3 out of 5(2.5 would have more accurate if i could) because at least Winterfire has put some effort on the writting, and some of the art is kinda good too, but that's all about this game offers.
 
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Since we're talking about a parody here...

1. "Demanding multiple divergent routes or a fully reinvented story goes against the game’s core purpose"
Which is exactly what a parody would do. I would expect overly exaggerated funny elements, ridiculous writing (in a good way), and sex scenes that goes beyond shy couples on a first date, but all we get is the same story, written by a different author through his new perspective, without really being an abridged version with humor or a heavily sexual parody.

Failed as a parody = check.

2. "The absence of NTR doesn’t remove depth; it simply avoids pushing the game toward a niche it was never meant to target."
NTR is not a niche, it's vastly one of the most popular genres here, and if you make a quick search about it, you will realize that.
If the game doesn't appeal to any specific fetishes, like NTR, Pissing/Scat, Femdom, Foot, Pregnancy, Futa, then IT IS a game without any real depth or a specific audience, maybe except for the DanMachi fanbase itself, making it a niche game as well.

Failed to appeal to a large variety of an audience = check.

3. "The Harem Path was added later only because players complained about being locked into a single heroine"
This only proves how much flawed the game previously was even before of me saying it, and exactly what players wanted from it, and how listening to feedback is important to improve the project. By attempting to invalidade every point i have made here, you're basically saying that this game cannot be improved simply because you're also following a personal belief that it should have remained as it was, limited, flawed and all.

Failed as harem game = no, but barely, because this time feedback was heard.

4. "Calling the RPG 'weak' misses the point entirely: it’s a small extra, not the backbone of the experience"
If it's weak then why shouldn't i call it out? again, you're seriously attempting to justify all the game's flaws as if it should be admired for what it is like the Tower of Pisa for being leaned over. No, it doesn't work like that, we point out the game's mistakes, so then the creator can learn from it and improve his own game, and by doing what you are now, you're just encouraging him by saying that it's okay for him to do half-assed jobs every time and never really improve his work.

Failed as an RPG = check.

5. "The brothel exists because it’s part of DanMachi’s world. Treating its presence as automatic justification for NTR/sharing/corruption assumes every prostitution setting must serve those fetishes — which simply isn’t true"
Again, this is a GAME, and also a parody, and has SEXUAL CONTENT. There is freedom for the creator to change anything from the source material and exploit it in a clever way.
Prostituition is only one thing, and it's about a person, mostly a woman, selling out her body for money or other favors, and this is EXACTLY what would one expect from a game, a sexual one, with this specific tag on, and mostly one with a brothel.

Failed as a game with sexual content = check.

Conclusion:
This game clearly fails at almost everything it attempts to do. It lacks interesting sexual scenes, doesn't appeal to any specific audience with bold fetishes or even popular ones, it has no fun gameplay mechanics and wastes plenty of potential by playing far too safe and heavily relying on its source material.

Read the other reviews for having a better understanding of what this game lacks and how it could have improved, because half the people are complaining about the failing as an RPG game or not having appealing sex scenes.

I was even generous enough to give a 3 out of 5(2.5 would have more accurate if i could) because at least Winterfire has put some effort on the writting, and some of the art is kinda good too, but that's all about this game offers.
I completely get your point, and I agree with you.

If I wanted to make money or be popular, many of those points would make sense.
However, my fuel for making and completing projects (which is as much important if you want to keep what I am doing, despite the lack of popularity, for over 7 years now) is reading and watching series that I honestly love (Overlord, Danmachi, etc.) and asking myself "Damn, if only the protagonist did X" or "Why did the protagonist fumble such a perfect opportunity to have a hot waifu!"

Choices naturally bring different and custom outcomes, with custom scenes, but without ever straying too much from the source material to feel out of place. It's how I vision my games, and purposely how I want them to be.
To stay in theme, on Danmachi, Aisha joining Hestia's familia is already a big fork away from the main plot (especially past Volume 8), yet to obtain that the player himself must work hard to be actually stronger than Canon Bell at that point of the story, and actually defeat Aisha in battle.

I also included Artemis as part of the main cast, and wrote a custom story for her and did my best to integrate her in the canon events. I never shy away from writing custom stuff, but my main priority when doing that isn't the player's fun or convenience, but the respect of the characters' soul.
Many parodies make characters slutty for the player's fun/convenience, but the more they shift from their personality, the less of that character truly remains.

It's what I'd want to see as a fan, and in these years I built a small community of other fans that mostly share my same views.
 

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I appreciate for you taking my coments as a constructive criticism regardless of me probably sounding a bit too harsh instead of taking it as a personal insult, something some creators here cannot really do, and by doing that, you are already a level above them.

I understand that this is all your personal view and interpretation as a parody, and you are free to do your work however you please even if people disagrees, but i have only said all that because there IS potential on your game in many ways with room for new features that could have improved this game beyond a simple parody into a full project on its own, thus reaching a much larger audience and resulting in more of your future projects.

If not, i wouldn't even have spent my time writing all of my thoughts about it.
Again, i apologize if i somehow have said something offensive and i hope you can learn from this game and use that experience to make your next ones even better, because even the best creators out there have struggled with their first games before making a masterpiece.
 
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I appreciate for you taking my coments as a constructive criticism regardless of me probably sounding a bit too harsh instead of taking it as a personal insult, something some creators here cannot really do, and by doing that, you are already a level above them.

I understand that this is all your personal view and interpretation as a parody, and you are free to do your work however you please even if people disagrees, but i have only said all that because there IS potential on your game in many ways with room for new features that could have improved this game beyond a simple parody into a full project, thus reaching a much larger audience and resulting in more of your future projects.

If not, i wouldn't even have spent my time writing all of my thoughts about it.
Again, i hope you can learn from this game and use that experience to make your next ones even better.
In my experience, silence is more insulting. I've always valued any feedback, harsh or not, it's how I managed to grow over the years: ( https://f95zone.to/sam/latest_alpha/#/cat=games/page=1/notags=1525/creator=Winterfire )
So I'm grateful for you or anyone taking time out of their day to write their thoughts.
 
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Since we're talking about a parody here...
1. "Demanding multiple divergent routes or a fully reinvented story goes against the game’s core purpose"
Which is exactly what a parody would do. I would expect overly exaggerated funny elements, ridiculous writing (in a good way), and sex scenes that goes beyond shy couples on a first date, but all we get is the same story, written by a different author through his new perspective, without really being an abridged version with humor or a heavily sexual parody.

Failed as a parody = check.

2. "The absence of NTR doesn’t remove depth; it simply avoids pushing the game toward a niche it was never meant to target."
NTR is not a niche, it's vastly one of the most popular genres here, and if you make a quick search about it, you will realize that.
If the game doesn't appeal to any specific fetishes, like NTR, Pissing/Scat, Femdom, Foot, Pregnancy, Futa, then IT IS a game without any real depth or a specific audience, maybe except for the DanMachi fanbase itself, making it a niche game as well.

Failed to appeal to a large variety of an audience = check.

3. "The Harem Path was added later only because players complained about being locked into a single heroine"
This only proves how much flawed the game previously was even before of me saying it, and exactly what players wanted from it, and how listening to feedback is important to improve the project. By attempting to invalidade every point i have made here, you're basically saying that this game cannot be improved simply because you're also following a personal belief that it should have remained as it was, limited, flawed and all.

Failed as harem game = no, but barely, because this time feedback was heard.

4. "Calling the RPG 'weak' misses the point entirely: it’s a small extra, not the backbone of the experience"
If it's weak then why shouldn't i call it out? again, you're seriously attempting to justify all the game's flaws as if it should be admired for what it is like the Tower of Pisa for being leaned over. No, it doesn't work like that, we point out the game's mistakes, so then the creator can learn from it and improve his own game, and by doing what you are now, you're just encouraging him by saying that it's okay for him to do half-assed jobs every time and never really improve his work.

Failed as an RPG = check.

5. "The brothel exists because it’s part of DanMachi’s world. Treating its presence as automatic justification for NTR/sharing/corruption assumes every prostitution setting must serve those fetishes — which simply isn’t true"
Again, this is a GAME, and also a parody, and has SEXUAL CONTENT. There is freedom for the creator to change anything from the source material and exploit it in a clever way.
Prostituition is only one thing, and it's about a person, mostly a woman, selling out her body for money or other favors, and this is EXACTLY what would one expect from a game, a sexual one, with this specific tag on, and mostly one with a brothel.

Failed as a game with sexual content = check.

Conclusion:
This game clearly fails at almost everything it attempts to do. It lacks interesting sexual scenes, doesn't appeal to any specific audience with bold fetishes or even popular ones, it has no fun gameplay mechanics and wastes plenty of potential by playing far too safe and heavily relying on its source material.

Read the other reviews for having a better understanding of what this game lacks and how it could have been improved, because half the people are complaining about the failing as an RPG game or not having appealing sex scenes.

I was even generous enough to give a 3 out of 5(2.5 would have more accurate if i could) because at least Winterfire has put some effort on the writting, and some of the art is kinda good too, but that's all about this game offers.
I would have liked to reply sooner, but I couldn't, but here goes.
You’re framing your points as if they were objective flaws, but every item you list is based on personal expectations that don’t align with the developer’s stated goals, the genre, or how parody in adult VNs actually works.

1. “It failed as a parody”

You’re assuming every parody must be an abridged comedy skit or an exaggerated rewrite. That’s simply not how parody works, especially in adult VNs.
A parody can also be:
  • a reinterpretation of the setting,
  • a re-imagining of character dynamics,
  • an adult expansion of themes the original cannot explore.
Not every parody is meant to be a slapstick comedy or over-the-top sexual satire. Expecting your preferred style of parody doesn’t mean the game failed — it means it didn’t follow the format you prefer. That’s not an objective failure.

2. “If it doesn’t include NTR or fetishes, it has no depth or audience”

This is simply false.
NTR is popular on F95, yes — but that does not make it mandatory, universal, or required for depth. Saying a game “lacks depth” because it doesn’t include NTR, scat, pissing, femdom, footplay, etc., is the same as saying “if it doesn’t cater to my fetishes, it’s shallow.”
Depth =/ fetish quantity.
Depth = writing, pacing, character arcs, choices, tone.
Legacy of Hestia appeals to exactly the audience it aimed for:
  • DanMachi fans
  • romance/harem VN players
  • players who want a soft-adult parody, not a fetish buffet
That is a defined audience, not “no audience.”

3. “The Harem Path proves the game was flawed”

No — it proves the developer listens to feedback, which is a positive, not a flaw.
Adding new routes because players wanted them does not retroactively make the original vision “wrong.” It means the game evolved. That’s what active development is.
Your logic is:
“If players asked for a feature, then the game was bad before.”
That’s not how development works. Otherwise every game with updates, patches or expansions was “flawed.”
Listening to feedback ≠ admitting failure.
It means refinement, not invalidation.

4. “If something is weak, it must be criticized”

Criticism is valid when the feature is central to the game.
But the RPG system is optional, side content, and deliberately simple. Criticizing an optional light RPG for not being a full RPG is like criticizing a VN for not having Elden Ring-level combat. It’s a category mistake.
You’re judging a VN with RPG flavor as if it were meant to be an RPG first.
It wasn’t.
That’s not a “flaw,” that’s misaligned expectations.

5. “Because the game has a brothel, it should explore prostitution fetishes”

Again, you’re presenting personal desire as universal logic.
A brothel in a parody world does not automatically mandate NTR, sharing, corruption or fetish content. The tag exists because the location exists — not because it is required to serve your preferred fetish path.
And saying:
“It’s a game with sexual content, so prostitution MUST be sexualized in X way”
isn’t a valid argument. It’s a personal assumption.
The creator is free to include or exclude any fetish, and the audience for soft-adult parody games is often uninterested in the “heavy” content you list.

So, to conclude this comment!

At the end of the day, your critique collapses when compared to the developer’s clearly stated vision. Legacy of Hestia wasn’t created to chase popularity, extreme fetishes, or broad mass-market appeal. WinterFire builds projects out of genuine passion for the series he loves — DanMachi, Overlord, etc. — and his priority is exploring “what could have happened” while staying faithful to canon and respecting the soul of each character.

That means:
  • choices create variations without breaking tone,
  • heroines aren’t rewritten into fetish caricatures,
  • personalities remain intact instead of warped for convenience,
  • custom additions (like Artemis or Aisha’s alternative path) are integrated in a lore-consistent way,
  • the goal is to enrich the world, not distort it for shock value or fetish demand.
You’re presenting your own preferences — NTR, corruption, extreme fetish variety, heavier parody, deeper RPG mechanics — as if they were objective requirements. They aren’t. They simply don’t align with the developer’s intent, the chosen tone of the project, or the audience it was made for.

A game doesn’t “fail” because it refuses to become something its creator never intended.
A game fails when it misses its own goals — and Legacy of Hestia doesn’t.
It is exactly what it set out to be: a respectful, character-faithful DanMachi adult VN with light RPG elements, not a fetish-heavy sandbox or a parody that throws canon out the window.

Your review is fair as a personal taste, but not as an evaluation of objective quality. Once you judge the game by the creator’s actual purpose — rather than by what you personally wanted — most of your arguments simply don’t stand.
 

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I honestly don't wish to press this any further because apparently you fail to understand something which even Winterfire himself has already did.

"But the RPG system is optional, side content, and deliberately simple. Criticizing an optional light RPG for not being a full RPG is like criticizing a VN for not having Elden Ring-level combat. It’s a category mistake."

Everything i have mentioned was central to the game, or at least it was supposed to be, because once you do put all these tags on your game and even teases people about it with preview images, you're making them believe the game has something related to them or even has it as its main focus.

Is it really the player's fault for getting baited, or the creator for promising one thing and delivering another? that's up to a debate.

Just because the Persona series has dating aspects as something optional instead of a full dating sim level, it means it cannot be criticized or expected to be better? again, that's not how it works, if creators wishes to make better games, they must know where to improve, or else they would just be stuck harping on the same note forever not understanding how or where they're doing wrong.

No matter how much you attempt to justify it, the RPG aspects did not please everyone and this is not a complaint of my own, read the other reviews to see that i am not the only one here, and besides... the "prostitution" tag WAS misleading at best.

"it proves the developer listens to feedback, which is a positive, not a flaw.
Adding new routes because players wanted them does not retroactively make the original vision “wrong.” It means the game evolved. That’s what active development is."


Yet, here you are, attempting to invalidate all my feedback as if i am simply demanding things that do not, or should not exist in this game just because it has to stay limited by the creator's view and must remain like that. Quite contradicting, isn't it?
The game has its flaws, which has been pointed out by many people here, not only me, and what i simply did was to give suggestions on how those flaws could have been fixed, AKA feedback.

So, the sex scenes were a lackluster, the RPG mechanics did not please everyone and also it lacked real prostitution? BOOM!, the NTR/sharing/corruption path is your way to go to fix that.

By adding my suggestions, the game would remain as it is, but also having:
  1. Brothel management, giving the player a brand new fun gameplay mechanic in between the RPG and VN.
  2. A clever excuse to add even more sexual content, plus expanding the tags with further fetishes for a bigger audience.
  3. A motivation for both the creator and players to not overlook the RPG aspects, as you collect the money and materials found on the dungeons, those could be used to spend at the brothel as a customer, or to further upgrade it as the manager. A perfect synergy with many aspects linked together.
  4. RPG done right with sexual content included. The NTR aspects is probably one of the fewest ways that RPG could be incorporated properly into a sexual game, that's why most games like this has a female protagonist, because once she gets defeated, she gets raped, thus giving you the sexual content, or as male protagonist, which is the case of Legacy of Hestia, you get cucked with the main heroine being fucked. Don't like NTR? well, skip it, the RPG is optional after all.
Everything would match perfectly with the game's initial proposal and context, but being further expanded while still maintaining everything it had before. It's not me wanting the game to fit my personal preferences, it's simply me giving ideas to add on top of the existing ones.

Now, it's entirely up to the creator to listen to my feedback or not, even though this project has been already finished, but i hope it can help him to better understand what really makes a game interesting when working with his future projects.
 
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I honestly don't wish to press this any further because apparently you fail to understand something which even Winterfire himself has already did.

"But the RPG system is optional, side content, and deliberately simple. Criticizing an optional light RPG for not being a full RPG is like criticizing a VN for not having Elden Ring-level combat. It’s a category mistake."

Everything i have mentioned was central to the game, or at least it was supposed to be, because once you do put all these tags on your game and even teases people about it with preview images, you're making them believe the game has something related to them or even has it as its main focus.

Is it really the player's fault for getting baited, or the creator for promising one thing and delivering another? that's up to a debate.

Just because the Persona series has dating aspects as something optional instead of a full dating sim level, it means it cannot be criticized or expected to be better? again, that's not how it works, if creators wishes to make better games, they must know where to improve, or else they would just be stuck harping on the same note forever not understanding how or where they're doing wrong.

No matter how much you attempt to justify it, the RPG aspects did not please everyone and this is not a complaint of my own, read the other reviews to see that i am not the only one here, and besides... the "prostitution" tag WAS misleading at best.

"it proves the developer listens to feedback, which is a positive, not a flaw.
Adding new routes because players wanted them does not retroactively make the original vision “wrong.” It means the game evolved. That’s what active development is."


Yet, here you are, attempting to invalidate all my feedback as if i am simply demanding things that do not, or should not exist in this game just because it has to stay limited by the creator's view and must remain like that. Quite contradicting, isn't it?
The game has its flaws, which has been pointed out by many people here, not only me, and what i simply did was to give suggestions on how those flaws could have been fixed, AKA feedback.

So, the sex scenes were a lackluster, the RPG mechanics did not please everyone and also it lacked real prostitution? BOOM!, the NTR/sharing/corruption path is your way to go to fix that.

By adding my suggestions, the game would remain as it is, but also having:
  1. Brothel management, giving the player a brand new fun gameplay mechanic in between the RPG and VN.
  2. A clever excuse to add even more sexual content, plus expanding the tags with further fetishes for a bigger audience.
  3. A motivation for both the creator and players to not overlook the RPG aspects, as you collect the money and materials found on the dungeons, those could be used to spend at the brothel as a customer, or to further upgrade it as the manager. A perfect synergy with many aspects linked together.
  4. RPG done right with sexual content included. The NTR aspects is probably one of the fewest ways that RPG could be incorporated properly into a sexual game, that's why most games like this has a female protagonist, because once she gets defeated, she gets raped, thus giving you the sexual content, or as male protagonist, which is the case of Legacy of Hestia, you get cucked with the main heroine being fucked. Don't like NTR? well, skip it, the RPG is optional after all.
Everything would match perfectly with the game's initial proposal and context, but being further expanded while still maintaining everything it had before. It's not me wanting the game to fit my personal preferences, it's simply me giving ideas to add on top of the existing ones.

Now, it's entirely up to the creator to listen to my feedback or not, even though this project has been already finished, but i hope it can help him to better understand what really makes a game interesting when working with his future projects.
Look, honestly, I didn't even intend to reply again—I'm not the type who likes to prolong discussions that clearly aren't going anywhere. But I'll get everything definitively settled to avoid any misunderstanding.

You're evaluating the game based on what you assumed it should be, not what it actually is. The root of this whole debate is simple: you projected expectations of a completely different genre—corruption, NTR, central prostitution, brothel management, defeat-generates-sex, extreme fetishes, deep RPG—and now you call the absence of things that were never part of the original proposal "flaws."

Your reading of the content started from a wrong assumption, precisely because of the prostitution tag. And that's common—the forum's tagging system is notoriously confusing. But in the case of Legacy of Hestia, that tag only represents a specific narrative trigger: rejecting all the girls, going to the brothel, getting caught, and thus entering the harem route. This doesn't turn the game into a prostitution simulator, nor does it create an obligation for corruption, exploitation, or complex brothel systems. The existence of the tag ≠ the content being the focus. Assuming that "prostitution tag = entire game becomes brothel corruption sandbox" is a misreading, not a flaw in the game.

The same applies to the RPG: it's simple, optional, and has a story mode precisely to avoid repetitive grinding. The existence of a lightweight system doesn't mean it should be deep, complex, or central. Criticizing a deliberately lightweight system for not being "heavier" is a category error. Its function is to provide narrative support within the world of DanMachi—not to transform the game into a fetishized dungeon crawler. Exactly as Persona doesn't become a "pure dating sim" just because it allows dating.

And when your proposals come in, it becomes clear that you're not evaluating improvements; you're describing another game. To meet your expectations, it would be necessary to completely rewrite LoH as a fetish RPG, centered on NTR, corruption, brothels, post-defeat abuse, prostitution routes, exploitation, sexual rivalry, and a whole set of mechanics that directly contradict the author's intention. You are demanding that a canon-friendly and character-respectful project become a product of extreme eroticism focused on degradation and infidelity. There is no bridge between these two intentions—they are opposite genres.

And this difference is not a matter of interpretation: the developer himself made it clear that his commitment is to maintain personality, essence, lore coherence, respectful narrative, and variations that work within the spirit of DanMachi. "Legacy of Hestia was built with a clear vision: a character-faithful DanMachi VN with light RPG elements and parody flavor that stays consistent with the source material."

Its focus is not corruption, not NTR, not prostitution as a system, not shock, not fetishistic exaggeration. It's precisely the opposite. That's why your criticisms don't hold up: you're judging the game for not violating principles that the creator explicitly refuses to violate.

And invoking "others who agree" changes nothing—subjective preferences don't become objective flaws simply because of the number of people who share them. The only thing your criticism demonstrates is that LoH isn't the type of game you wanted to play. And that's perfectly valid. What isn't valid is calling something a structural flaw when, in reality, it's just incompatibility with your taste; your own review makes that clear.

Conclusion:

Legacy of Hestia didn't fail its objectives—it simply doesn't meet your expectations because your expectations demand a completely different game than what the author intended to create. The divergence here isn't about quality; it's about genre. And that, by definition, is not debatable.

My final thoughts:

And just to make it definitively clear: nobody here took your comments personally. The issue has always been the starting point of your criticism—you evaluated the game through the lens of your preferences, and when those preferences weren't present, you treated that absence as a "mistake," "error," or "execution flaw." There's nothing wrong with preferring games about corruption, NTR, brothels, or deeper sexual RPGs. The problem arises when these preferences are presented as if they were objective parameters by which all games should be judged.

Your feedback makes sense for the type of game you'd like to see—but that doesn't make it a design flaw in the game that was made. This distinction is fundamental, and it's exactly where all the confusion began.

That said, all points have already been explained, re-explained, and realigned. There's no more conceptual divergence to discuss.

So I'll end here.
 

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If it's about tags, that's beyond me. Even if I had a single footjob scene or anal scene, in a game where 99% of the other scenes focus on other content, then I'd still need the tag. Technically, I should have put the "harem" tag as well, but I never did to avoid people complaining too much (Although people still complained about lack of Harem despite not tagging it as such :HideThePain:).

That being said, there's no need to argue with each other, as I've said before, I value the opinions of everybody as a Developer with multiple projects. Realistically, I'll never be able to make everyone happy, but seeing different points of view makes it possible for me to consider things that can at least get other people to enjoy my projects more, even if that gains me an extra player that in the past didn't like my projects, that's already a victory for me.
 

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If it's about tags, that's beyond me. Even if I had a single footjob scene or anal scene, in a game where 99% of the other scenes focus on other content, then I'd still need the tag. Technically, I should have put the "harem" tag as well, but I never did to avoid people complaining too much (Although people still complained about lack of Harem despite not tagging it as such :HideThePain:).

That being said, there's no need to argue with each other, as I've said before, I value the opinions of everybody as a Developer with multiple projects. Realistically, I'll never be able to make everyone happy, but seeing different points of view makes it possible for me to consider things that can at least get other people to enjoy my projects more, even if that gains me an extra player that in the past didn't like my projects, that's already a victory for me.
If the discussion is about tags, then there's really not much to question.
The F95 tag system has always been a bit misleading — on paper it seems fine, but in practice it often creates the wrong expectations. Sometimes it’s the tool itself, sometimes it’s how people interpret it, but either way, it’s extremely common for users to assume content the game never intended to offer.

About the harem tag, I remember that whole situation clearly.
I’ve followed Legacy of Hestia since the very beginning, and you were always transparent about your vision: a faithful adult parody of DanMachi with romance and light RPG elements.

And to be completely honest, I was never a big fan of the original anime back when it released — I thought it felt like a toned-down SAO and I didn’t connect with Bell.
Ironically, I ended up enjoying your interpretation much more, especially because the MC’s personality here feels more assertive, which always helped me connect with the story.

So when people started assuming LoH was “just a Pokémon-style girl-collecting game,” it was obvious that they misunderstood the project from the start. Even the harem route you eventually added came more from community pressure than from your original design — which I still remember well.

As for the argument itself, the entire discussion only happened because someone built expectations on a mistaken premise. He wasn’t reacting to the game you made — he was reacting to a version of the game he imagined based on tags and assumptions.

Your description, your intention, and your direction as a developer were always clear from the beginning.
The misunderstanding came from the system, not from you.

And regarding your final point — no developer should feel obligated to please everyone.
You’ve always stood out by delivering projects that feel genuine, made because you care about the source material and you enjoy crafting your own parody interpretations — not because you’re chasing trends or trying to bait an audience.

That’s why projects like Legacy of Hestia and Vox Gremory stand out so much for me.
I really enjoyed both — especially Vox Gremory, since DxD is one of my all-time favorite series and still has so much untapped potential for adult games.

Anyway, just wanted to be honest and say this after reading your comment.
Keep doing things your way — it’s exactly why people "like me" keep following your work.
 

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Problem is that the brothel thing is more of a "secret" which is doable only on normal or hard difficulty (and you have to be strong enough to beat up Aisha), I do not think many people are going to get that.
Why did you make this only doable on Normal and Hard Mode? What about Story Mode???
 

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Why did you make this only doable on Normal and Hard Mode? What about Story Mode???
Story mode doesn't have money (outside of the narrative) and doesn't really have breaks (UI screen where you can pick where to go, in this case the brothel), so it wasn't really compatible with Story Mode unless I did a very heavy rewrite, which was out of scope since the Brothel was just an element to unlock the Harem Mode, which is also heavily tied to gameplay elements.
 
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