Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.43.0] [Selebus]

[fisty123]

I am still playing catch up with only starting this game this week but I am in tears of laughter from the scene

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I know this game is not all about laughs and some characters take a turn as I have seen in the comments about this in the past here but so far the characters in this game are really well done, it hard to say who I would put as best character for me but I am looking forward to meeting the rest, really enjoying this one for now at least.

 

[alex2011]

molly is cool? I thought she was mainly sel's nerd mouth piece so he can talk about things not plot relevent in his life... but he does that a lot anyway with literally every other character so she probably is cool


I think it would be hilarious if Sensei banged Otoha before Rin.
I had hopes on Niki being just as bad a person as sensei and using her authority as her teacher to take advantage of her but then we got that shocked face pull back from Niki after the kiss. Was a let down. Mainly because I saw that as how Niki would try to lure Sensei into 'loving' her by being the more depraved option available and she would then string Otaha up with a bow served to Sensei for them both to play with. I mean it could still happen if Niki reflects on that moment and changes her mind. not enough has happened for that to be a completely dead possible plot line. Not much hope on my part though.

though the thing I'm still holding out on is when Rin finally has a mental breakdown after finding out about the kiss and runs to her floozy of a mom (that will kiss just about anyone with just a bit of booze) for parental comfort... only the mom has been drinking and fucks it up with the wrong kind of comfort

edit: or Molly gets with Rins mom after both of them get drunk cause that would be hilarious in a black comedy way. Rins mom just says something that reminds Molly of Rin and she off loads her feelings into that moment.

She's really just the overly exaggerated stereotype of people into anime, by which I mean that the stereotype itself is overly exaggerated from what we are actually like (mostly, will not contest that there are people who fit it), not Molly being the over exaggeration.

Question time, cause i'm bored.

Who do you think is the most well written character? Not potentially counting Akira, and not who you necessarily like or hate the most, just the one with the most depth and complexity in their characterisation.

Have to go with Rin, as biased as that might sound considering I am a Rin fan. Her moments, you know the ones...Delirium, actually trigger emotional responses that are highly unusual for me in games. I am more often as cold and emotionless as Maya when in games, but those moments, and I do mean all of them, wouldn't let me do that and even broke me out of doing that for other characters across the game.

There are only two things that can get an emotional response out of me:
1. Things that are real and filled with emotion.
2. Fiction that is well written, skipping past my emotional detachment from fiction entirely.

LiL hit 2 in 0.8.0, which is when I started supporting it. In fact, that was the reason I started.

 

[crustlord12]

Question time, cause i'm bored.

Who do you think is the most well written character? Not potentially counting Akira, and not who you necessarily like or hate the most, just the one with the most depth and complexity in their characterisation.

Outside of the aforementioned Maya, I think Rin and Noriko are both written pretty well. Rin is probably the most "teenagery" of them all, and Noriko does feel like she's living in the shadow of her sister.

Honestly, I feel like a lot of the characters are written very well, with their motivations staying in line with who they are over the updates. Makoto and Chika both have had some solid character growth.

Hot take but I don't know if I'd call Ami's character well progressed, in that her progression to Uncle Lovin' just comes out of nowhere (unless I'm mis-remembering, and I'm welcome to being corrected)

 

[barglenarglezous]

Question time, cause i'm bored.

Who do you think is the most well written character? Not potentially counting Akira, and not who you necessarily like or hate the most, just the one with the most depth and complexity in their characterisation.

Yumi

That girl has so much damage, but her portrayal is consistent with that damage in a way that her archetype usually isn't.

 

[alex2011]

Outside of the aforementioned Maya, I think Rin and Noriko are both written pretty well. Rin is probably the most "teenagery" of them all, and Noriko does feel like she's living in the shadow of her sister.

Honestly, I feel like a lot of the characters are written very well, with their motivations staying in line with who they are over the updates. Makoto and Chika both have had some solid character growth.

Hot take but I don't know if I'd call Ami's character well progressed, in that her progression to Uncle Lovin' just comes out of nowhere (unless I'm mis-remembering, and I'm welcome to being corrected)

She is part of the yandere vibes trio, the other two of which ended up being more or less false flags compared to her. Yanderes tend to go from 0 to 100 pretty freaking quickly (it is not uncommon for a yandere to be revealed to have had her feelings and acts build over time off screen, leading to sudden acts that seem to come from nowhere when they had been built up to out of our view), which is something we saw in early events for all three with Ayane's bathroom scene in the original beginning, Noriko taking the time she was supposed to be leaving to entice Sensei, and Ami with multiple things. While we haven't seen the most definitive sign of yandere from any of them, yet, probably dark route at the earliest, we have seen several things that fall in line, so I am willing to wager we might for once actually be looking at one.

 

[hcguy]

I find my strongest negative emotional reactions to characters are to the ones who bring other girls into the conflict. I don't mind the girls who have issues with Sensei (Yumi, Maya (especially before their true connection became clear), for example) - it's the ones like Kirin and Nodoka who fuck with the other girls that I really grow to dislike. I didn't like Yumi at first, not because of how she treated Sensei, but because of how she treated Futaba. Once Yumi apologized and stopped insulting Futaba, she became much better in my eyes, even if she still pushes Sensei away.

My strongest overall emotional reaction has been to Io - she's exactly the kind of girl I would have...not fallen for, really, but wanted to help/fix when I was that age. We'd have gone to the amusement park so fast...

 

[alex2011]

I find my strongest negative emotional reactions to characters are to the ones who bring other girls into the conflict. I don't mind the girls who have issues with Sensei (Yumi, Maya (especially before their true connection became clear), for example) - it's the ones like Kirin and Nodoka who fuck with the other girls that I really grow to dislike. I didn't like Yumi at first, not because of how she treated Sensei, but because of how she treated Futaba. Once Yumi apologized and stopped insulting Futaba, she became much better in my eyes, even if she still pushes Sensei away.

My strongest overall emotional reaction has been to Io - she's exactly the kind of girl I would have...not fallen for, really, but wanted to help/fix when I was that age. We'd have gone to the amusement park so fast...

Yeah, the Futaba thing did kind of start to trigger me after I started to be affected by the game emotionally since I have been in Futaba's shoes before, not for the same reason or hidden reason (we do in fact know Yumi didn't mean harm at this point, she just didn't know how to encourage Futaba at the time), which serves as a connection from real life.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Question time, cause i'm bored.

Who do you think is the most well written character? Not potentially counting Akira, and not who you necessarily like or hate the most, just the one with the most depth and complexity in their characterisation.

Since ppl have brought up the obvious choices like Maya, Rin, Yumi, and Noriko, I’m gonna go with Tsuenyo.

Not really sure if it’s bc she’s well written or not, but at least the girl cracked me up way more often than others (imo her unique way of funny is quite spot on)

 

[hcguy]

Since ppl have brought up the obvious choices like Maya, Rin, Yumi, and Noriko, I’m gonna go with Tsuenyo.

Not really sure if it’s bc she’s well written or not, but at least the girl cracked me up way more often than others (imo her unique way of funny is quite spot on)

I do love me some Tsuneyo, but I have a very difficult time imagining how sex with her will go.

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

I really love characters like Yumi, Nodoka and Kirin, they help bring out facets of other characters, it's a shame most people only define then by their flaws, their emotional range hidden under layers of strong character and hard keep away mechanisms only further helps bring out other characters flaws, like how Makoto was prejudiced against Kirin, thinking she was a bimbo and then learning that Kirin is actually pretty inteligent and even reads psychology books and articles.

 

[alex2011]

I really love characters like Yumi, Nodoka and Kirin, they help bring out facets of other characters, it's a shame most people only define then by their flaws, their emotional range hidden under layers of strong character and hard keep away mechanisms only further helps bring out other characters flaws, like how Makoto was prejudiced against Kirin, thinking she was a bimbo and then learning that Kirin is actually pretty inteligent and even reads psychology books and articles.

I could not agree more with this and I am one of those that has had a problem on an emotional level with events that occur because of their flaws (Futaba being bullied by Yumi, Kirin walking in on Ayane and pretty much holding her secret relationship with Sensei over her head, Nodoka for what she did to Yumi). These characters serve a very big purpose, highlighting good parts of others, giving rise to emotional attachment and reactions, as perpetrators or victims of the misfortunes that befall the cast, stuff like that.

 

[Craigdon97]

can anyone tell me the ways to break the world didnt know what it meant and it did it when i asked ami to call me daddy (forgetting her parents died) had to rollback cuz i felt super guilty lol

 

[Jimbolance]

I've been pondering for a while what Sel is trying to do with Otoha because it's really hard to see where her characterization is going. She's got such a different vibe to all the other characters, and she herself feels so....directionless.
But I think I've finally figured it out.

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[Algorist]

Question time, cause i'm bored.

Who do you think is the most well written character? Not potentially counting Akira, and not who you necessarily like or hate the most, just the one with the most depth and complexity in their characterisation.

Hard for me to decide between Yumi, Rin, Maya, Tsuneyo, Noriko, Sara, Maki, Yuki, and Wakana.

Characters that aren't that well written in my eyes:
Karin. As I perceive, Karin feels like she has almost no screen time, despite having one less event than the sum of Yuki's and Niki's (of course, I'm conveniently ignoring all the times they've appeared outside their events. Or how noteworthy occurrences were influenced/triggered by them). This is a shame since Karin is superior to Kirin in all aspects (IMO, one of the most attractive girls in LiL), except that Kirin makes for a more interesting character overall, at least as a source of conflict and themes. The plot currently demands Kirin more. I'd like to see Karin change and become more prominent. She's a side character among side characters.

 

[nashk]

So I was replaying the game from scratch since I havn't experience the redone early game... and I have to say i'm finding the random "weeb facts" just a little annoying.

I mean before they were kind of interesting but they were just random notes sprinkled in the dialogue. Now molly is appearing out of nowhere even before her introduction and just spouting weeb stuff and its really annoying me. Early characters cameos are neat but the random drop in like this just doesn't work I think.

 

[KnowNoHope]

Question time, cause i'm bored.

Who do you think is the most well written character? Not potentially counting Akira, and not who you necessarily like or hate the most, just the one with the most depth and complexity in their characterisation.

best written...
probably Yumi.
I also don't like Yumi, like at all, I 'm just talking in a technical writing perspective. She has the most personality and consistency, her character growth and changes are externally motivated and you can pin point the exact events that make her do/try things a different way. Compared to some of the other characters who sometimes just do crap cause it sounds good. she also hasn't been a subject to the 'hur dur 4th wall breaks are good idea' treatment.

I would have said Sana, for much the same reason, but then Sel used her as a means to rant about things outside the game and also changed a crap ton of dialogue for her in the remake of ch.1 it seems. really diminishes the characters believability when that happens.

So I was replaying the game from scratch since I havn't experience the redone early game... and I have to say i'm finding the random "weeb facts" just a little annoying.

I mean before they were kind of interesting but they were just random notes sprinkled in the dialogue. Now molly is appearing out of nowhere even before her introduction and just spouting weeb stuff and its really annoying me. Early characters cameos are neat but the random drop in like this just doesn't work I think.

and yes... this is one of the reasons why I find Molly to be the least well written character... not the least likable though. just the worst made

 

[Wardtnaci]

Only 2,764 instances of "scene black"

Wow that a lot, wish some of dialogue scenes weren't done w/ black screen. Makes me think Sel is lazier than we think he/she is!
-[Hand over Mouth]- Prolly why he'd be strugglin to earn higher than 10k/month!!!

Also TY for file share, I will give a try and I'm fully expecting to miss out on dialogue because I'm an idiot too!!

Question time, cause i'm bored.

Who do you think is the most well written character? Not potentially counting Akira, and not who you necessarily like or hate the most, just the one with the most depth and complexity in their characterisation.

I want to chime in on this but don't know what I'd add that hasn't been already been said. Except to say that I'm a fan of pretty much all girls, main & side characters! In how they are individually unique from one another. Those girls who seem to be low on the characterization will most like get flushed out before the start of the Dark Route; if not, definitely before the start of the Purity Route(s).

can anyone tell me the ways to break the world didnt know what it meant and it did it when i asked ami to call me daddy (forgetting her parents died) had to rollback cuz i felt super guilty lol

Did you mean by Special Lust Names Sensei asks certain girls to call him by? If so...

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will help.

What everyone's sense on the likelihood that 0.29 with 5 main events will have a Reset? Also Over/Under # of Reset puzzles/questions = 9.5 which side will you guys take?

 

[vehemental]

I've been pondering for a while what Sel is trying to do with Otoha because it's really hard to see where her characterization is going. She's got such a different vibe to all the other characters, and she herself feels so....directionless.
But I think I've finally figured it out.

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She's just normal.

The main cast runs the gamut of just about every

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(anime LI character trope) on the spectrum - he may as well have used a dartboard with entries from that site when designing the characters. When it came time to set up the second floor, the only thing the game was missing was someone without any significant abnormalities in personality, trauma, or life circumstances. Someone other than Maya who had the normal attitude towards the premise of the game.

There's a reason her parents are so explicitly involved in her life - in comparison to the next tier of normies below her, Otoha is comically normal - Touka being extremely sheltered, Uta-chan who constantly brings up having to watch her grandpa slowly die, and Chika who's balancing the entire world on one finger after the loss of her mom. (And before you say Makoto - she's the most malevolent and self-centered human character in the game. Fight me.)

Otoha's actions are pretty consistent with someone of inconsistent maturity who doesn't know what she has until she loses it, and aren't abnormal enough IMO to label her as truly "callous" - especially when Io hates everyone and says things like she actively hopes other people fail and Kirin is... well, Kirin. If anything, Otoha's the calm to Kirin's callous, since she's likely not realizing how she's taking the things you mention for granted.

Either way - while I think Touka has the most potential for radical character development of any main girl in the game, simply because of the sheltered normality, Otoha isn't too far behind. Everyone's going to get dragged through the shit in this game, and since they've seen the least of it, as you say, they're going to get the worst of it.

 

[vehemental]

So I was replaying the game from scratch since I havn't experience the redone early game... and I have to say i'm finding the random "weeb facts" just a little annoying.

I mean before they were kind of interesting but they were just random notes sprinkled in the dialogue. Now molly is appearing out of nowhere even before her introduction and just spouting weeb stuff and its really annoying me. Early characters cameos are neat but the random drop in like this just doesn't work I think.

This is what I've been trying to say, the game's attitude towards its user experience is just so weird and inconsistent. In one breath, you'll be explicitly berated if you don't find the smell of Selly's farts puzzles the most entertaining and high-quality gameplay experiences ever created and worth the time they'd take without a walkthrough, but then in the next breath it's jarringly spoon-feeding you weeb factoids in a game that is obviously designed to cater almost exclusively to people who are already weebs - through the art style, subject matter, setting, and the use of every anime LI character trope under the sun.

As with a lot of the running gags I guess we just have to sit back and watch as it gets done to death because "self-awareness" is not a river in Kumon-mi.

 

[Jimbolance]

She's just normal.

The main cast runs the gamut of just about every

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(anime LI character trope) on the spectrum - he may as well have used a dartboard with entries from that site when designing the characters. When it came time to set up the second floor, the only thing the game was missing was someone without any significant abnormalities in personality, trauma, or life circumstances. Someone other than Maya who had the normal attitude towards the premise of the game.

There's a reason her parents are so explicitly involved in her life - in comparison to the next tier of normies below her, Otoha is comically normal - Touka being extremely sheltered, Uta-chan who constantly brings up having to watch her grandpa slowly die, and Chika who's balancing the entire world on one finger after the loss of her mom. (And before you say Makoto - she's the most malevolent and self-centered human character in the game. Fight me.)

Otoha's actions are pretty consistent with someone of inconsistent maturity who doesn't know what she has until she loses it, and aren't abnormal enough IMO to label her as truly "callous" - especially when Io hates everyone and says things like she actively hopes other people fail and Kirin is... well, Kirin. If anything, Otoha's the calm to Kirin's callous, since she's likely not realizing how she's taking the things you mention for granted.

Either way - while I think Touka has the most potential for radical character development of any main girl in the game, simply because of the sheltered normality, Otoha isn't too far behind. Everyone's going to get dragged through the shit in this game, and since they've seen the least of it, as you say, they're going to get the worst of it.

I don't majorly disagree with anything you said, just my point was more about what Sel's purpose of having such a normal girl in the cast was. It really couldn't /just/ be to fill out a checklist or balance things out. She's a main girl, she's going to have some kind of arc, so I was just guessing where he intended to go with it.