DeSkel15

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Your quote implies that Nodoka risking her life on something she cares about is stupid. Who are you to make that judgement for her, to claim that what she cares about isn't work risking her life over? So is everyone who does anything risky that you don't think is worth it stupid? Just a really weird line of argument that borderlines on projection rather than an objective evaluation of the circumstances and internationalities behind the characters.

On the Yumi scene, it's not headcanon when Nodoka literally says:

Yumi: Why... Why that?
Nodoka: Because I think that would hurt you more.
Yumi: No! Why would that hurt me?
Yumi: Why would something like that hurt me!? Why do you think that!?

The point of the scene, other than revenge fetish porn material, is this confrontation with Yumi and her own feelings. Up until this point, she has convinced herself that she doesn't have any feelings towards Sensei, to the point where she genuinely believes it. Nodoka forces Yumi to make a choice - choose yourself, or Sensei. And it is incredible character development for Yumi to choose to hurt herself over watching Sensei be degraded when her key character trait is running away to not get hurt. There's no excuses here, and Yumi has to face the fact that she holds some sort of feelings towards Sensei. It's not about Sensei and Yumi getting closer, it's about the development of Yumi's character.

On Nodoka's writing, it's crazy how you downplay it's importance to Nodoka when it's literally her raison d'etre.

>I write because I have to do.
>Because I am gifted.
>It is not my fault others don't understand this gift.
>It just means I have to make them.

"She can just talk" and "It's just her job" lmfao. This character "Nodoka" you made up sounds nothing like the one in the game I just played.
Once again you ignore the fail to blackmail part. Shocking.

At least you're admitting that revenge plays a part now, but you seem to completely ignore that Yumi just storms off if she hasn't already faced her feelings for him back in her 'Abyss' Chapter 2 Event:
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You're forgetting something that already happened a Chapter prior.

If anything, Nodoka changed Yumi's feelings for Sensei in a negative way. Sensei disappointed Yumi by just standing there and letting this happen to her. She makes it rather clear later:
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And if she's actually blackmailed, she adds:
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Nevertheless, if your point is simply that Nodoka changed Yumi, then yeah, I know. I said it in my first reply to you:
When it comes to Nodoka, she definitely did it for revenge, but for the progression of everyone is likely another reason. This includes Yumi, who has changed since then. (Even without actually blackmailing Yumi, Yumi gets in trouble for trying to kill her afterwards, which leads to Yumi changing, and it was likely part of her plan from the get go.)

I'm starting to wonder if you've even played the same game, and of course you ignored the whole point again. Nodoka has been writing and publishing since she was around 10:
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Years before this game starts. Years before she could write this story.

Her gift and this world are two different things that she wants others to understand. You seem to be conflating the two because you want it to be the same thing. Or need it to be.

I get that your entire made up version of Nodoka can't survive if she's doing anything more than writing this story, but your version of Nodoka isn't how the game portrays her.

Nodoka writes all sorts of things in all sorts of genres:
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Not to mention, she's literally sidelined her writing profession at the moment to focus on other things.
 
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over the past couple years Lil has inspired other clone/copycat titles but it is something different in the western vn space when the most ppl have generally played in this space is a few fap bait games with minimal plot. if ppl went and played more traditional vns they'd see Lil has little over them other than going against the societal norm with character ages. the only thing holding Lil back from garnering more widespread support is the age stuff and the puzzles that "check" to make sure the player is reading. when there's a couple million words and countless red herrings in terms of possible answers then the avg brainlet will just google answers anyway or open the console.
I played and still play quite a few not western vn's and unfortunately almost all of them are disappointing with rare exception, and biggest reason for that is simply that most vn's have terrible writing unlike Lil, Im at a point where I would be glad to read any vn western or not , but give me the good writing, recently I played fruit of grisaia and we get flashback of one of the girls backstory where she together with other people gets into accident and long story short people are forced to kill and canibalize each other, and man you read it and there's zero weight to the story , it reads more like comedy even thou it tries to be serious, the writing is just pathetically bad.
 
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Nodoka is a fucking sociopath. She's the one character in all of LiL that if she was written out of the story I wouldn't miss her at all.
Give her a few more batch of events and she'll likely turn into a good character.
 

korendrd

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Nodoka is a fucking sociopath. She's the one character in all of LiL that if she was written out of the story I wouldn't miss her at all.
Not contesting the first point, but the second I can't agree with. The story is 100% better with her in it:
1. She gives Yumi a reason to trust Sensei after the unfortunate bridge incident
2. She's even more of a catalyst to Rin's not-so-homie-like attraction to Sensei
3. She's an excellent source of external conflict directed at other girls, so it's not Sensei always filling that role.

If she was a one-dimensional D&D villain whose sociopathy always manifested slasher-film style, I'd agree. But she's a deep and complex character, so brilliant she has little in common with the peers she cannot empathize with. She reminds me a lot of Mia from Californication, only less self-centered. Nodoka is ruled by her desire to experience everything, to better be able to write about it. She may be a sociopath, but without the borderline or disassociative disorders to really turn her into a monster. Instead, she's this giant gray area of amorality that makes her interesting as fuck, if you can get past the way her manic episodes are written.

Edit: Not to mention, Hot/Crazy axis in effect.
 

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Is there any way to increase tsukasa_love to 1?
Because as a aftereffect of the last punishment, my tsukasa love point is now 0.:cry:
 

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So where the hell does Nao-chan fit into this story? Should I be concerned for Kaori's safety?
You mean as if Nao-chan is underway to get help? No, wouldnt worry. My guess would be more that she sent her to the storage building for abducted girls of burger friend mac burger man while she is at work. Probably an idea from Niki.

Edit: Yeah, i havent seen her in the corner there standing. So she isnt at work. But this might still be the overall idea.
 
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You mean as if Nao-chan is underway to get help? No, wouldnt worry. My guess would be more that she sent her to the storage building for abducted girls of burger friend mac burger man while she is at work. Probably an idea from Niki.

Edit: Yeah, i havent seen her in the corner there standing. So she isnt at work. But this might still be the overall idea.
I was more referring to the overall story, not just this scene lol
 

DeSkel15

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A little wary about Makoto and Nao-chan being around eachother.

So where the hell does Nao-chan fit into this story? Should I be concerned for Kaori's safety?
It seems like Kaori is new Sekai, Nao-chan is new Ami, and I guess John might be the new Nozomu.

Which is kind of funny if it's implying Sekai saw her actual husband as a big chicken she had for a pet.

So, I think Kaori is safe, or at least, safe besides the possession stuff going on. I'm a little more worried about what Kaori does to others, tbh.

We still don't know what actually happened to Yumi and Tsuneyo during the 5th Reset, but Kaori apparently being on the roof likely implies she was around during the reset, and she did just show up at Tojo Ramen, red eyed, and not exactly looking friendly:
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Nao-chan, on the other hand, probably isn't too dangerous, but I guess we'll find out.
 

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A happy face is a happy place. Please remember to smile. :)
Actually legit loved that music, even now I have it in my playlist.
And that event atmosphere was phenomenal, went through a rabbithole of "abandoned malls" on youtube after it. Though most of them ended up as wholesome stories how, for example, "there was a pet store on the 1st floor and the clerk there allowed us to play with animals, one of the happiest memories of my childhood" and stuff like that...
 
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Actually legit loved that music, even now I have it in my playlist.
And that event atmosphere was phenomenal, went through a rabbithole of "abandoned malls" on youtube after it. Though most of them ended up as wholesome stories how, for example, "there was a pet store on the 1st floor and the clerk there allowed us to play with animals, one of the happiest memories of my childhood" and stuff like that...
The the second mall track was pulled from.
 
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