Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.43.0] [Selebus]

[Antosha]

Dodging spoilers aside, well said. She is THE worst character in this game and it's not just cause everyone is flawed. Nodoka is vile and the fact that she somehow tries to excuse it as "it's what writers do - they find good stories and share them" only makes her more disgusting.

Like I already have a pretty gnarly uncomfy spot re: what I'm learning about Ami. But Nodoka is so far under the floor at this point and having to contend with Akira just casually going along with dicking her recently after what she did to Yumi + the revelation of who her new story is about, ugh.

Absolutely. And… sorry about spoiler-y things. White heat and all.

I tried not to be too specific and all — but I’ll go back and fuzz out some of the particulars.

 

[Kitty Hawk]

Btw, I still have trouble distinguishing Tsukioka mom and Tsukioka youngest daughter names. It always takes me a few seconds to remember which one is which when I see their names, Tsukasa and Tsubasa. Can you give me any tips on how to remember them better?

TsuBasa for boobs, TsuKasa for kids?

 

[Xiondingens]

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Oh, dont let our Nodoka simp read this. He will gaslight you into believing nodoka is a fucking angel.

 

[Moonflare]

Btw, I still have trouble distinguishing Tsukioka mom and Tsukioka youngest daughter names. It always takes me a few seconds to remember which one is which when I see their names, Tsukasa and Tsubasa. Can you give me any tips on how to remember them better?

Not really? cause it's just one letter. I chose to remember Tsubasa, and then what remains is the daughter. Like the daughter's name is Tsubasa's name written wrong sort of logic.

 

[TheSeedy1]

Btw, I still have trouble distinguishing Tsukioka mom and Tsukioka youngest daughter names. It always takes me a few seconds to remember which one is which when I see their names, Tsukasa and Tsubasa. Can you give me any tips on how to remember them better?

Basa vs Kasa. Just take the B in basa for BOOBA which the mom has. *fingerguns*

 

[LoveBlueHairedGirl]

I've reached the message reaction limit again. So imagine that I put "haha" everywhere.
But TsuBOOBa is my favourite thing now, thanks.

 

[Bingoogus]

Btw, I still have trouble distinguishing Tsukioka mom and Tsukioka youngest daughter names. It always takes me a few seconds to remember which one is which when I see their names, Tsukasa and Tsubasa. Can you give me any tips on how to remember them better?

The mom is Tsubased momma, the wizard is Tsucasta.

 

[Xiondingens]

There is a response limit?

 

[LoveBlueHairedGirl]

Oh, I meant reaction. I am so freaking sleepy now

 

[Xiondingens]

Oh, I meant reaction. I am so freaking sleepy now

Funfact, i actually did understand it correctly, but somehow i just didnt relize that it was phrased a bit weird.
And i am still surprised there is a limit. I mean, in the end it doesnt mean much anyway.

 

[Antosha]

Only reason I haven't completely written Nodoka off

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She seems and has stated to be doing things for a higher purpose. So I'm holding complete judgment until then. Obviously it doesn't make any of the things she did acceptable, but if it turns out she's right and she manages to break the world by doing it and freeing everyone, that would change a lot.

Sure. All the characters are doing their best, even when their best is actually not that great — that’s good writing.

But Nodoka’s “higher purpose” is no excuse for being needlessly cruel. At least with Yumi I can see what she’s reacting to. Kirin is just a walking ball of libido, and does some things that are beyond not okay — but she doesn’t do them just because she can. She does them because she desperately wants to get laid. Ami is batshit — and I think Sensei is only partially responsible. Io isn’t great with people (other than Uta and Sensei, for some reason). All the other characters do things that hurt others. But they do so while trying to achieve goals that we can understand. Sort of. (Love ya, Yasu!)

Nodoka, though? I get her dedication to her “art,” I really do, and the in-game logic of her trying to do… whatever the fuck it is she’s trying to do.

But as you say, it doesn’t make any of it acceptable.

If it turns out she’s a direct conduit to one of the “gods” like Yasu, Kaori, and Tsuneyo seem to be, I’ll at least feel as if there’s some excuse. But acceptable? Nope.

 

[Kitty Hawk]

Though I thank her for providing us with that scene with Makoto, Molly, Noriko, Sana, Kirin, and Rin. That was some excellent fan service. :nods:

No-no-no. I was agreeing with everything till the last part. The Nodokathon was the absolute massacre of some of my favourite characters. May that never happen again.

 

[DeSkel15]

After going over what exactly the girls have lost, it seems that Otoha may be the only main girl that doesn't have some understanding of abandonment. Her parents are strict, but that's it.

As for the rest:

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[Xiondingens]

Nodoka, though? I get her dedication to her “art,” I really do, and the in-game logic of her trying to do… whatever the fuck it is she’s trying to do.

But as you say, that’s no excuse.

I dont even see dedication. This is more like a form of OCD with complete disregard to everyone else. I mean seriously, this here was her reaction after futuba left.

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That was when no one else there, so this is genuine. And this is not the reaction of a sane person that just did hurt the feelings of a supposed best friend.

 

[Moonflare]

All the other characters do things that hurt others. But they do so while trying to achieve goals that we can understand. Sort of. (Love ya, Yasu!)

Man, I feel for Yasu so much. Someone commented the other day about how they didn't like her, and I missed out on replying. But she's so close to some real life situations, where the person is a shell of themselves and throw themselves completely into a specific belief in order to survive - and specifically her last event (the doctor appointment ones) broke me.

 

[LoveBlueHairedGirl]

No-no-no. I was agreeing with everything till the last part. The Nodokathon was the absolute massacre of some of my favourite characters. May that never happen again.

Agree! The Nodokathon seemed so out of place.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Btw, I still have trouble distinguishing Tsukioka mom and Tsukioka youngest daughter names. It always takes me a few seconds to remember which one is which when I see their names, Tsukasa and Tsubasa. Can you give me any tips on how to remember them better?

The only letter variation is B/K

B is first in the alphabet. Tsubasa is older than Tsukasa, but isn't the middle child (whose name doesn't follow the pattern), and therefore must be the mother. Thank you Sel for putting their birth order in alphabetical order.

 

[Xiondingens]

Agree! The Nodokathon seemed so out of place.

Its the thing with Io, it really shouldnt have happen after that thing with Io. That is what ruined it for me.

 

[Moonflare]

Agree! The Nodokathon seemed so out of place.

I liked the Nodokathon, but Selebus messed up. That it happened after the shit she pulled with Io made absolutely no narrative sense. Like, I only enjoyed it on my second viewing cause the first time I was like "how are these girls even here after that?".

 

[Xiondingens]

"how are these girls even here after that?".

Yeah, but hey, at least no one really gave a shit about her empty excuse i bet she wont even bother to give to Io or Uta.