Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.43.0] [Selebus]

[95vengeancef]

Religious elements tend to focus around christian symbolism, presumably because of Akira's family. Bible quotes, crosses, angels, general moralism around sin, even the notion of 3 gods being 1. One could argue that the eternal struggle between light and dark with humanity being the rope in between them is from Manichaeism, but that has been since incorporated into christianity so I guess it's nitpicking. That would be the same for most of the random elements that are thrown around.

Occult elements are hard to pinpoint because what is presented doesn't necessarily refer to any specific occult element rather than having an occult feel to it. "The old one" for instance (and even NAO), could simply be Selebus' creation, rather than a Lovecraftian reference. Same goes for the sakura trees and the world itself - and to a larger extent, things like wires, semen and voices in your head seem to be very much a Selebus "creation" rather than a specific reference to something. Of those there are countless, and for an example of what I mean: You could find numerous references of secrets hidden in the wind or in the voice of cicadas in occult literature, but to say Selebus is making a direct reference to one of them would be forcing the point imo. It doesn't seem to be the case.

There is also random stuff that he throws in that I don't think merit a real analysis. You could argue that Flora, the Emissary of Pegasus, the Council of Plants, the Untitled tv show, and so on, have counterparts in movie and literature culture as a whole. But to each their own in terms of what to delve into.

You haven't asked, but it is important to note that although there aren't many specific occult references, there are many poetry ones. Those tend to be blatant enough that you'd recognize them though, so if anything sounds like classic poetry to you there is a likely chance Selebus is referencing something.

There are a few references to architectural landmarks, paintings, movies and videogames too - but those are in the extreme minority. Strangely enough, I don't remember many references to literature novels though (I can only recall "where the sidewalk ends", but even that is not exactly classic literature, as he tends to use classic poetry). I guess Akira's deal really was poetry...

Thank you for your answer.And,do you think Yusa's reference to plane is a borrowing of a concept from the occult, or is it a special expression of the Selebus?

 

[JelF547]

Gore and unltraviolence, bro, gore and unltraviolence

Also, I blame Bingoogus for my pfp change. He turned me into gore phase

 

[Moonflare]

Given the nature of this game i wouldn't rule out the possibility that whoever the narrator was, if not Tsubasa, might turn out to have influence over her, with her essentially parroting back the whispers in her head or influenced ideas she's had in the past. That being said... your idea is quite intriguing, it certainly matches up, but i'll return to my dunce table and let the big boys dig into and through this one.

If you're correct, then even the moment Tsubasa stops to reconsider her decision to leave Tsukasa under Akira's care could be her listening to the whispers of world itself/whoever this narrator is.

Spoiler: bird and the worm

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Maybe even Tsubasa doesn't want to expose Tsukasa to danger, but feels compelled to because of what she's hearing. It is a stretch, but it would certainly explain her acting this way. In fact, do you know of who this reminds me of? Yasu. Tsubasa could very well be playing against the world itself here, trying to change what the whispers are saying, just as Yasu does.

Spoiler: world of lines

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If you look at it this way, then Tsubasa makes perfect sense. She's doing the same thing as Yasu. She didn't know about Akira's tendencies until that conversation, and when she learns about them her natural reaction is think of explosive things, and probably calling the police and having his house searched (I believe that was an actual possibility).

But then she thinks about it, and changes her stance 180° from destructive to displaying full faith on him, why? Why is she confused? Why she keeps repeating his name? Did she hear something? And why does she seem to be doing something she also doesn't want to? The answer could be because to disprove the world itself she has to expose Tsukasa to this danger, and Akira has to survive this temptation in order for future events to get better. It could be all for her greater good (in the same way Sekai has to be brought back in order for Akira to be restored).

 

[Moonflare]

Thank you for your answer.And,do you think Yusa's reference to plane is a borrowing of a concept from the occult, or is it a special expression of the Selebus?

I'm not a specialist, but planes of existence seem to be a fairly common concept, both in these kind of games, as in general oriental religions. For example, even in western society, the idea of ghosts is beings that are still here but somehow also not. They'd exist on a second plane of existence, and the barriers between them would become thinner under certain circumstances, such as Halloween or specific rituals, allowing these supernatural entities to be interacted with.

It could be possible that the Selebus' mythos references things specifically, but until the game is finished is very hard to trace those since we don't have most of the answers yet.

 

[Comiies]

Ok then so let us begin with something simple,that at the same time is by far the most important thing in understanding both amis and senseis characters.Sekai.

Spoiler: Sekai

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[Bingoogus]

Also, I blame Bingoogus for my pfp change. He turned me into gore phase

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[Pedro4545454]

Spoiler: Sekai

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Yes, Sekai, as far as we know, is the one who completely screwed Akira's mind. Akira already had a problem with his head because of his father, his mother already didn't like him, then Sekai came and completely destroyed the rest of his mind with the abuse and making him create a slight jealousy/hate for his brother .

I genuinely find it very difficult to place Maya as a naive young woman because there are several signs that prove this in addition to her existence and childhood being something that I suspect is not normal.

The scarf the second time it appeared was in Akira's flashback, the one who gave the scarves to Akira the first time we see these scarves was himawari/shapeshifter.

 

[Dringar]

Sana... for reasons...

Chika.

 

[Nadekai]

Let's try to keep things moving then. If you had to adopt one of the girls from the class who would you choose? I'd go with Yasu, something about her activates my protective instinct.

... Io ...

 

[Comiies]

Yes, Sekai, as far as we know, is the one who completely screwed Akira's mind. Akira already had a problem with his head because of his father, his mother already didn't like him, then Sekai came and completely destroyed the rest of his mind with the abuse and making him create a slight jealousy/hate for his brother .

I genuinely find it very difficult to place Maya as a naive young woman because there are several signs that prove this in addition to her existence and childhood being something that I suspect is not normal.

The scarf the second time it appeared was in Akira's flashback, the one who gave the scarves to Akira the first time we see these scarves was himawari/shapeshifter.

I see.Hows was the conclusion that his parents never cared for him drawn?As far as i remember he doesnt rember them at all so did it come from a happy event or something like that?

Also about Akiras brother.I do wonder why did sekai not like him.Why was Ami so hesitant to speak of him when she was always happy to talk about how great her mother was?Things to think about i suppose.

 

[Pedro4545454]

I see.Hows was the conclusion that his parents never cared for him drawn?As far as i remember he doesnt rember them at all so did it come from a happy event or something like that?

Also about Akiras brother.I do wonder why did sekai not like him.Why was Ami so hesitant to speak of him when she was always happy to talk about how great her mother was?Things to think about i suppose.

At the same event that Yasu reveals Akira's mother's name, she also says that Akira's mother didn't like him.

(this is mostly speculation as this comes from another Selly game where we see Akira's Mother) Akira's Father had a disease which from what I remember was schizophrenia which made Akira also have it at birth which It would make Akira's life more difficult and then his mother didn't like him and to screw him up even more Sekai came to completely screw his mind.

also by some monologues talking about the past, there are several indications that Akira's brother, Nozomu was the favorite son.

Sekai probably only used Nozomu to be able to get closer to Akira and be able to abuse her without arousing suspicion, as well as taking the opportunity to screw Akira's mind with disgusting phrases about what Nozomu did to her at night in her room.

According to Ami's description, Nozomu was "Normal" and just her saying that about him makes me raise a lot of doubts because this world has nothing normal and when they say that that person is normal I immediately suspect (Like Maya and Nao ).

 

[Yarazin]

Omfg! I just had the craziest revelation just now! Remember that post that confirmed Tsubasa was more important than we give her credit for? Well I'm pretty sure she's literally the narrator at the end of the first Beach Vacation. Just look:

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if every character in the game has been a narrator at one time or another.

 

[Comiies]

At the same event that Yasu reveals Akira's mother's name, she also says that Akira's mother didn't like him.

(this is mostly speculation as this comes from another Selly game where we see Akira's Mother) Akira's Father had a disease which from what I remember was schizophrenia which made Akira also have it at birth which It would make Akira's life more difficult and then his mother didn't like him and to screw him up even more Sekai came to completely screw his mind.

also by some monologues talking about the past, there are several indications that Akira's brother, Nozomu was the favorite son.

Sekai probably only used Nozomu to be able to get closer to Akira and be able to abuse her without arousing suspicion, as well as taking the opportunity to screw Akira's mind with disgusting phrases about what Nozomu did to her at night in her room.

According to Ami's description, Nozomu was "Normal" and just her saying that about him makes me raise a lot of doubts because this world has nothing normal and when they say that that person is normal I immediately suspect (Like Maya and Nao ).

Huh.Well ill be damned.My off hand comment about Akiras Schizophrenia being in-line with Yasus was correct(in a way),hilerious.Also i thought Nozumo was one of the 3 gods.Where do we learn that it was actually Akiras brother?That game you mentioned or just a theory?

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Huh.Well ill be damned.My off hand comment about Akiras Schizophrenia being in-line with Yasus was correct(in a way),hilerious.Also i thought Nozumo was one of the 3 gods.Where do we learn that it was actually Akiras brother?That game you mentioned or just a theory?

Nozomu's name is on the gravestone with Sekai, so that's how we know he's Akira's brother:

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[LessonsInDissonance]

Nozomu's name is on the gravestone with Sekai, so that's how we know he's Akira's brother:

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SAKURA TREES AROUND THE TOMBSTONE
THEIR GRAVES ARE IN THE WELL

 

[Pedro4545454]

Huh.Well ill be damned.My off hand comment about Akiras Schizophrenia being in-line with Yasus was correct(in a way),hilerious.Also i thought Nozumo was one of the 3 gods.Where do we learn that it was actually Akiras brother?That game you mentioned or just a theory?

Akira's brother's name is also the same name as one of the gods so I suspect he is not normal as Ami says, mainly because Sekai also has this thing about her name being one of the gods since Sekai is the World.

Involving this other game you have to talk to DeSkel and Moonflare because from what I remember they have the most information about it, but here is an image about the game and a summary of what I know

Spoiler: Nothing is Beautiful

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[Comiies]

Nozomu's name is on the gravestone with Sekai, so that's how we know he's Akira's brother:

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Oh yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.I was thinking about that mb.Well back on topic.

Akira having schizophrenia would explain a LOT.His childhood trauma created by his parents misstreatment of him and the whole of Sekais relationship with him is enough to understand why he is the way he is.If we follow that train of thought though there is something i dont really understand.How is Yasus and Akiras schizophrenia showing the same things?(Well not completely the same things but you know what i mean.)

 

[Comiies]

Akira's brother's name is also the same name as one of the gods so I suspect he is not normal as Ami says, mainly because Sekai also has this thing about her name being one of the gods since Sekai is the World.

Involving this other game has to do with DeSkel and Moonflare because from what I remember they have more information about it, but here is an image about the game

Spoiler: Nothing is Beautiful

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How interesting.

 

[Pedro4545454]

Oh yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.I was thinking about that mb.Well back on topic.

Akira having schizophrenia would explain a LOT.His childhood trauma created by his parents misstreatment of him and the whole of Sekais relationship with him is enough to understand why he is the way he is.If we follow that train of thought though there is something i dont really understand.How is Yasus and Akiras schizophrenia showing the same things?(Well not completely the same things but you know what i mean.)

This is where my theory comes in: these things they are seeing are not due to their schizophrenia, but because they tell someone about it, they end up being treated like sick people because it is not normal for someone to talk about the end of the world and notice things that other people don't see.

My theory makes more sense when you remember that what Yasu said actually happened in the world, she made people see things and even managed to talk to dead people.

Spoiler: Yasu past

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[Comiies]

This is where my theory comes in: these things they are seeing are not due to their schizophrenia, but because they tell someone about it, they end up being treated like sick people because it is not normal for someone to talk about the end of the world and notice things that other people don't see.

My theory makes more sense when you remember that what Yasu said actually happened in the world, she made people see things and even managed to talk to dead people.

Spoiler: Yasu past

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Well yea i agree.Schizophrenia isnt a superpower.It also would not explan why every time someone talks about the end of the world the person they talk to just repeats the same words again and again like they are an NPC.So to borrow your words.

I still believe in my "This is just a word made by some god/s for X reason" theory(WIP).For whatever reason Yasu and Akira are able to hear and see the """truth""" of the world and the only way for that to be explained from everyone elses perspective is through schizopherina.So in short.Do they have schizophrenia?Yes absolutely.Is schizophrenia the sole reason for their visions/hallucinations/delusions etc? Yes and no.Yes scizophrenia plays a part in some of the more minor ones(for example weve seen both Akira and Yasu "lose time") but not the fact that they can see these visions and talk with literal gods.