Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.43.0] [Selebus]

[LessonsInDissonance]

Why are you guys so fixated in there being narrators? there's no narrators, some "people" and "users" just get into Akira's head and start whispering words to him.
That is not a narrator.

 

[Comiies]

Why are you guys so fixated in there being narrators? there's no narrators, some "people" and "users" just get into Akira's head and start whispering words to him.
That is not a narrator.

My take is that most of these "Narrators" are just products of Akiras psycosis.Him thinking this whole world is a game,his blackouts,him quite literally reffering to "Us" from the very beginning of the game.Textbook schizophrenia.But until we get some more proof ill keep my mouth shut.

 

[Comiies]

You know lately ive been thinking about tsubasa(Yes i know shocker).Ignoring those funny little tit bits about her words matching the narrators from a previous event or the fact that she has an uncanny obsession with god and creating a perfect world and whatnot(Completely random but tsubasa is the only character-excluding Maya ofc-that talks about god this much.Quite weird).

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[Moonflare]

My take is that most of these "Narrators" are just products of Akiras psycosis.Him thinking this whole world is a game,his blackouts,him quite literally reffering to "Us" from the very beginning of the game.Textbook schizophrenia.But until we get some more proof ill keep my mouth shut.

Everything in this game could be considered his psychosis, but then there'd be no point (in my personal taste regarding the narrative).

Spoiler: fairytale (the end until tomorrow)

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Also, as you said (regarding most), Himawari is a confirmed narrator.

Spoiler: flowerchild

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And since she says she's "a" one, or "the" one, depending on your preferences, one could assume there is at least one more narrator other than Akira (she's definitely not "the" in terms of being the sole one because there are multiple examples of narrators acting in a way that's just not her - like using classic poetry).

We also know Pareidolia is a narrator, and one could say "well, he's literally a voice inside Akira's head", and they'd be correct, but Pareidolia has also been messing/saving Sana and her mom without Akira's presence. So to say Pareidolia is a product of his psychosis would be to say the entire game is a hallucination, and there's no one there besides Akira.

My take is that most likely other narrators aside from Himawari and Paredolia exist as actual entities. aramaug has been putting a strong case for Tsubasa, that I haven't really bought into, but I can't deny the evidence either.

 

[Comiies]

Everything in this game could be considered his psychosis, but then there'd be no point (in my personal taste regarding the narrative).

Spoiler: fairytale (the end until tomorrow)

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Also, as you said, Himawari is a confirmed narrator

Spoiler: flowerchild

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And since she says she's "a" one, or "the" one, depending on your preferences, one could assume there is at least one more narrator other than Akira.

We also know Pareidolia is a narrator, and one could say "well, he's literally a voice inside Akira's head", and they'd be correct, but Pareidolia has also been messing/saving Sana and her mom without Akira's presence. So to say Pareidolia is a product of his psychosis would be to say the entire game is a hallucination, and there's no one there besides Akira.

My take is that most likely other narrators other than Himawari and Paredolia exist as actual entities. aramaug has been putting a strong case for Tsubasa, that I haven't really bought into, but I can't deny the evidence either.

Oh yea totally.I didnt mean to devalue the existance of my dear shapeshifter.I was just saying that most of the time when narrators change its just Akira being insane.That doesnt mean that other narrators dont exist,just that there arent as many as we previously thought.

 

[Moonflare]

A random thought I had today: I know there's a lot we love about this game. And if I asked for some favorite moments we'd overlap in a multitude of ways. So what I'm asking is not your favorite moment, but the most unexpected moment in which you realised how you love this game.

My example will make this clearer:

Spoiler: mysterious abundance of chickens

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It's one thing for a story to be great when you have complex and important moments, like Maya confessing her feelings, or Akira smiling at his daughter, or Chika's mom looking at her house full of life again from the portrait - there are countless of them.

But it's rare even among great stories to be able to pull off "THIS CHICKEN SAVED YOUR LIFE!" and have you so into it that you not only take it seriously, but find it a great moment. So that's one of mine, what is a random/silly/unexpected moment for you that you loved about LiL? (or realised just how much into the game you were?)

 

[BlackDays]

Why are you guys so fixated in there being narrators? there's no narrators, some "people" and "users" just get into Akira's head and start whispering words to him.
That is not a narrator.

The thing is, that Sel is also a narrator.
Why would HE whisper into his own creations heads? Not that i think it's impossible but very unlikely.

Another thing is, that for ambiguous/unknown characters Sel uses a standard color for their name in renpy, which is a reddish tone.
Now, Sel uses for himself but interestingly also for Sekai an identical red color value different from the standard one.

/e

For refenrence: red in HexDec is #ff0000

Those get the standard reddish color:
define seven = Character("73 65 6b 61 69")

Different from, lets just take Maya:
define m = Character("Maya", color="#18b500", who_outlines=[(absolute(2.5), "#000", absolute(0), absolute(0))])

Now Sel and Sekai and a parrot?
define se = Character("Sekai", color="#96001B", who_outlines=[(absolute(2.5), "#000", absolute(0), absolute(0))])
define parrot = Character("Parrot the Parrot", color="#96001B", who_outlines=[(absolute(2.5), "#000", absolute(0), absolute(0))])
define red = Character("Red", color="#96001B", who_outlines=[(absolute(2.5), "#000", absolute(0), absolute(0))])
define sel = Character("Selebus", color="#96001B", who_outlines=[(absolute(2.5), "#000", absolute(0), absolute(0))])

/e2

So, i mentioned it some time ago, red moons in japanese culture are associated with, lets boil it down, desaster.
It fits for Sekai given the story so far.
Don't know what the parrot was about.
That Sel gives himself that specific color is interesting and i have to ask myself if he sees himself that way.
I know that he knows that he has his flaws and whatever.
I wonder if he's going introspective there.

 

[Riolol]

The thing is, that Sel is also a narrator.
Why would HE whisper into his own creations heads? Not that i think it's impossible but very unlikely.

Another thing is, that for ambiguous/unknown characters Sel uses a standard color for their name in renpy, which is a reddish tone.
Now, Sel uses for himself but interestingly also for Sekai an identical red color value different from the standard one.

/e

Those get the standard reddish color:
define seven = Character("73 65 6b 61 69")

Different from, lets just take Maya:
define m = Character("Maya", color="#18b500", who_outlines=[(absolute(2.5), "#000", absolute(0), absolute(0))])

Now Sel and Sekai and a parrot?
define se = Character("Sekai", color="#96001B", who_outlines=[(absolute(2.5), "#000", absolute(0), absolute(0))])
define parrot = Character("Parrot the Parrot", color="#96001B", who_outlines=[(absolute(2.5), "#000", absolute(0), absolute(0))])
define red = Character("Red", color="#96001B", who_outlines=[(absolute(2.5), "#000", absolute(0), absolute(0))])
define sel = Character("Selebus", color="#96001B", who_outlines=[(absolute(2.5), "#000", absolute(0), absolute(0))])

Somebody said we read too much into the game in this thread and... I get it.

 

[BlackDays]

Somebody said we read too much into the game in this thread and... I get it.

And that means exactly?

 

[Comiies]

A random thought I had today: I know there's a lot we love about this game. And if I asked for some favorite moments we'd overlap in a multitude of ways. So what I'm asking is not your favorite moment, but the most unexpected moment in which you realised how you love this game.

My example will make this clearer:

Spoiler: mysterious abundance of chickens

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It's one thing for a story to be great when you have complex and important moments, like Maya confessing her feelings, or Akira smiling at his daughter, or Chika's mom looking at her house full of life again from the portrait - there are countless of them.

But it's rare even among great stories to be able to pull off "THIS CHICKEN SAVED YOUR LIFE!" and have you so into it that you not only take it seriously, but find it a great moment. So that's one of mine, what is a random/silly/unexpected moment for you that you loved about LiL? (or realised just how much into the game you were?)

One word and one word only.

Tsuneyo,samurai of flavor

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

One word and one word only.

Tsuneyo,samurai of flavor

But those are four words .

 

[Nadekai]

One word and one word only.

Tsuneyo,samurai of flavor

... What is Tsuneyo ... ?

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

The thing is, that Sel is also a narrator.
Why would HE whisper into his own creations heads? Not that i think it's impossible but very unlikely.

Another thing is, that for ambiguous/unknown characters Sel uses a standard color for their name in renpy, which is a reddish tone.
Now, Sel uses for himself but interestingly also for Sekai an identical red color value different from the standard one.

/e

For refenrence: red in HexDec is #ff0000

Those get the standard reddish color:
define seven = Character("73 65 6b 61 69")

Different from, lets just take Maya:
define m = Character("Maya", color="#18b500", who_outlines=[(absolute(2.5), "#000", absolute(0), absolute(0))])

Now Sel and Sekai and a parrot?
define se = Character("Sekai", color="#96001B", who_outlines=[(absolute(2.5), "#000", absolute(0), absolute(0))])
define parrot = Character("Parrot the Parrot", color="#96001B", who_outlines=[(absolute(2.5), "#000", absolute(0), absolute(0))])
define red = Character("Red", color="#96001B", who_outlines=[(absolute(2.5), "#000", absolute(0), absolute(0))])
define sel = Character("Selebus", color="#96001B", who_outlines=[(absolute(2.5), "#000", absolute(0), absolute(0))])

/e2

So, i mentioned it some time ago, red moons in japanese culture are associated with, lets boil it down, desaster.
It fits for Sekai given the story so far.
Don't know what the parrot was about.
That Sel gives himself that specific color is interesting and i have to ask myself if he sees himself that way.
I know that he knows that he has his flaws and whatever.
I wonder if he's going introspective there.

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

... What is Tsuneyo ... ?

... Why is Tsuneyo ... ?

 

[Nadekai]

... Why is Tsuneyo ... ?

... Because noodles instead of brains ...

 

[BlackDays]

... Why is Tsuneyo ... ?

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So you're into dinosaures?

 

[Angiboat]

Somebody said we read too much into the game in this thread and... I get it.

Sometimes there's a lot of overreading done yeah, but I don't blame them when dev makes 200 plotlines and only intends on following 1/10th of them, or sometimes something you thought to be true turned out to be false a chapter later or maybe it isn't false actually then there's the voices and they all use different ways to write and oh wait no now they sometimes write the same way

 

[Comiies]

You know what would be interesting to see? We need a hero to put ALL of the most prominant theories(With the corresponding evidence) in a post for any newfag that comes around and wants to immerse himself in the lore,or any old fag that forgets some stuff.

EDIT:Honestly if push comes to shove i can do it.Although people will need to decide what are the best theories worth mentioning.Proving proof for them etc etc

 

[BlackDays]

You know what would be interesting to see? We need a hero to put ALL of the most prominant theories(With the corresponding evidence) in a post for any newfag that comes around and wants to immerse himself in the lore,or any old fag that forgets some stuff.

EDIT:Honestly if push comes to shove i can do it.Although people will need to decide what are the best theories worth mentioning.Proving proof for them etc etc

The idea is nice and i'd like to see that.
And they should be distinguishable.
I liked Deskels aproach in a timeline, so it could work.
But i guess we would need those (and the timeline) in the op so they don't get burried.

 

[gazgiz]

You know what would be interesting to see? We need a hero to put ALL of the most prominant theories(With the corresponding evidence) in a post for any newfag that comes around and wants to immerse himself in the lore,or any old fag that forgets some stuff.

EDIT:Honestly if push comes to shove i can do it.Although people will need to decide what are the best theories worth mentioning.Proving proof for them etc etc

Part of the fun is bouncing around all 1918 pages trying to figure it out.

On the other hand USER theories collated would be greatly appreciated.