alex2011

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When I say redundant I mean girls that have similar characteristics, ie Ami and Ayane both extremely possessive. And then you add Noriko in (even though she will to share physically, she not willing to share emotionally) and its a tiny bit annoying. But over this is an extremely minor issue and is far outweighed by the story overall.

Regarding the ending, I had seen that in the forums though not sure Selebus themselves ever stated that, and no chances are that it may be tragic. But even there is sometime hope for optimism in the face of tragedy. I played another game recently which for the life me I can't remember the name of right now that was very dark (involving drug addiction, depression and possibly even suicidal thoughts) but the ending still had a ray of hope to it.
Sharing a trait is not redundancy when they also have traits the supposed match that supposedly makes them redundant does not have. Ami, Ayane, and Noriko are all possessive to different degrees and they each have different traits that the other two do not possess. It actually isn't a bad thing to have multiple characters share a trait that creates an opening for conflict, especially traits that will make them butt heads like two bucks in mating season such as extreme possessiveness, which is what drives a story toward its climax. There will come a time when either Noriko or Ami snaps and it will all be because they are extremely possessive and the guy they want doesn't want the exclusivity they do. He's going to be found out by one of them and there are going to be MAJOR consequences. Ayane has been calming down on the possessive streak, so I don't think she's a threat at this point for that outcome nor do I think she would snap from discovering she isn't the only girl he's with. At first, yeah, she was a major threat for that, but I've seen signs in the last four or five updates she might be getting used to the possibility of sharing him, likely because of a certain portion of the beach event.

As far as the ending, yes, it has been stated by multiple people, including Selebus, that this is a Denpa game. It doesn't have to be stated that the ending has little chance of being positive, that's inherent in the Denpa genre.

https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-v0-15-0-part-1-selebus.48158/page-93#post-4201423

You...are aware there's more than one genre of horror...right?
This is a denpa game. Genre dates back to mid 90's, bruh.
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Maya isn't Sensei's sister because the game would have to be modified to fit Patreon's TOS (direct incest like that is a big no-no for them).
 
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Maya isn't Sensei's sister because the game would have to be modified to fit Patreon's TOS (direct incest like that is a big no-no for them).
That can always be patched, the Patreon restrictions aren't the end to any plans for infringing content, the patch just can't be official is all. While Patreon has a ludicrous and completely unfair policy against having different versions of a game on their site hosted elsewhere to avoid restrictions, they literally can't restrict patches from a third party. That would be like punishing the developer for fan art and would start some serious crap against Patreon that could cost the company everything considering they now have direct competition that allows what they do not.
 

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Maya isn't Sensei's sister because the game would have to be modified to fit Patreon's TOS (direct incest like that is a big no-no for them).
True, but if not blood relatives or if Maya's just Sensei's cousin who got adopted into Sensei's family at an early age, you can bypass the dickhead racist patreon rules.

If you play fenoxo's TiTs, kinda like how Shade-mc sex is alright cause shade is mc's cousin.
 

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anyone able to help me with As Loud as a Whisper Can Be

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I don't know if it's because of Makoto, where she isn't able to talk to me (event 15) but can someone suggest something?
 

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anyone able to help me with As Loud as a Whisper Can Be

I've done:

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Maki Miyamura’s Mom-Mode Mission (Maki)
Bluejay (Makoto)
One. Two. Three. (Miku)
Everlasting Love (Ami)


I don't know if it's because of Makoto, where she isn't able to talk to me (event 15) but can someone suggest something?
Post your save.
 

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This is probably the only game on here that i play just for the story, i love the weird mindfuck elements to it, the fact that it parodies the harem genre by having a (mostly) amoral MC with girls that (understandably) have issues with him sleeping around, and the lingering feeling of dread lurking around every corner-waiting to scare you silly.

Honestly, you could cut out the sexy stuff entirely and i think most people wouldn't really mind. (Don't do it though, Sana deserves some loving)
 

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So I'm doing the Halloween events. I have both Sara and Haruka at 10 lust. I only got the Medical Assistance event.

Can you only get one or the other?
 

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Sharing a trait is not redundancy when they also have traits the supposed match that supposedly makes them redundant does not have. Ami, Ayane, and Noriko are all possessive to different degrees and they each have different traits that the other two do not possess. It actually isn't a bad thing to have multiple characters share a trait that creates an opening for conflict, especially traits that will make them butt heads like two bucks in mating season such as extreme possessiveness, which is what drives a story toward its climax. There will come a time when either Noriko or Ami snaps and it will all be because they are extremely possessive and the guy they want doesn't want the exclusivity they do. He's going to be found out by one of them and there are going to be MAJOR consequences. Ayane has been calming down on the possessive streak, so I don't think she's a threat at this point for that outcome nor do I think she would snap from discovering she isn't the only girl he's with. At first, yeah, she was a major threat for that, but I've seen signs in the last four or five updates she might be getting used to the possibility of sharing him, likely because of a certain portion of the beach event.

As far as the ending, yes, it has been stated by multiple people, including Selebus, that this is a Denpa game. It doesn't have to be stated that the ending has little chance of being positive, that's inherent in the Denpa genre.

https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-v0-15-0-part-1-selebus.48158/page-93#post-4201423


Selebus, post number 1843 on page 93 commented on September 15th, 2020
Well clearly we see it differently, i don't feel having 3 characters that feel essentially the same just to different degrees is necessary and that's all i will say on the topic. As to the ending well, if that is the case i guess i will stop my donation and move on. I see no point in continuing to play a game with no potential ray of optimism and have no desire to just end up disappointed. Guess i will just unsubscribe take my leave of this game if that's the case.
 
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I legit had a nightmare about this game. Not sure what to make of that.
I know that feeling. My solution was simple, I just stopped sleeping =)
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Well clearly we see it differently, i don't feel having 3 characters that feel essentially the same just to different degrees is necessary and that's all i will say on the topic. As to the ending well, if that is the case i guess i will stop my donation and move on. I see no point in continuing to play a game with no potential ray of optimism and have no desire to just end up disappointed. Guess i will just unsubscribe take my leave of this game if that's the case.
First of all: tots fair and your decision, won't argue about that itself.
But two points still.

First, they are not the "same" characters. People in RL share a ton of character traits yet still are totally different personalities and characters and that is here in this game very sure for the 3 you and Alex argued about. Ami, Ayane and Noriko are extremely different personalities that do have their own subset of characteristics, one of which is their obsession with Sensei but for completely different reasons (though Ami and Ayane share a bit background there. Still, the reasons are different). That does make them very much not the same in my book. Implying they are basically the same is honestly an oversimplification that stems from the sole belief that this has to be the case, not actually paying attention to their dialogues, sorry for my bluntness there.

Second, denpa or not, it doesn't mean there cannot be a somewhat good ending. I am very certain that there will be at least some form of redemption and "happy end" for Maya, but not in a way that is without constraints. That also wouldn't fit the entire concept or story seen so far so there's that. What we know from what Sel has planned is that after the harem and the sad part, there will be purity routes (focusing on single characters mainly) that lead to the actual ending, eventually.
This alone does imply it will not end as your usual denpa either.
Again, I am certain it will not be an "all is good and gravy" ending because it doesn't fit with the entire depth of the story, but it will be a good ending for such a deep and thoughtful story that the game tries to tell.

If that is not enough for you then this is tots fine. But your message kinda gave me the impression that you assume the game will end in tragedy and despair only, and even without knowing any of Sels actual plans, I am certain that won't be the case.
It will only be 90% Tragedy and Despair. Praise Be!
 
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I know that feeling. My solution was simple, I just stopped sleeping =)
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First of all: tots fair and your decision, won't argue about that itself.
But two points still.

First, they are not the "same" characters. People in RL share a ton of character traits yet still are totally different personalities and characters and that is here in this game very sure for the 3 you and Alex argued about. Ami, Ayane and Noriko are extremely different personalities that do have their own subset of characteristics, one of which is their obsession with Sensei but for completely different reasons (though Ami and Ayane share a bit background there. Still, the reasons are different). That does make them very much not the same in my book. Implying they are basically the same is honestly an oversimplification that stems from the sole belief that this has to be the case, not actually paying attention to their dialogues, sorry for my bluntness there.

Second, denpa or not, it doesn't mean there cannot be a somewhat good ending. I am very certain that there will be at least some form of redemption and "happy end" for Maya, but not in a way that is without constraints. That also wouldn't fit the entire concept or story seen so far so there's that. What we know from what Sel has planned is that after the harem and the sad part, there will be purity routes (focusing on single characters mainly) that lead to the actual ending, eventually.
This alone does imply it will not end as your usual denpa either.
Again, I am certain it will not be an "all is good and gravy" ending because it doesn't fit with the entire depth of the story, but it will be a good ending for such a deep and thoughtful story that the game tries to tell.

If that is not enough for you then this is tots fine. But your message kinda gave me the impression that you assume the game will end in tragedy and despair only, and even without knowing any of Sels actual plans, I am certain that won't be the case.
It will only be 90% Tragedy and Despair. Praise Be!
I Agee that it is an oversimplification and that yes they do have different characteristics. The main point I was getting at is that is that having this many characters with overlapping issues can the game overly complicated and harder to follow for many people. But again this an extremely quibble and honestly mostly personal preference on my part. I am not saying it needs to be changed or at this point just that I personally would have preferred a more streamlined story. If other prefer this there is certainly nothing wrong with that.

As to your remarks on the ending that is actually exactly what I am looking for. I don't need a happy ending where they ride into the sunset or the MC lives happily ever after with his harem. But I want to be some kind optimism even if it something like the Maya finally learns to live with whatever happened and is able to move on with her life. The reason I was seeing it as only bleakness is cause I stated that several times and Alex stated that no that would not likely happen and that ending would simply be depressing and tragic. I don't mind a tragic ending as long there is some kind of optimism in it whether it be character growth or a potential for a brighter future. Like you said I think that would be more in line with the tone of the game thus far
 
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True, but if not blood relatives or if Maya's just Sensei's cousin who got adopted into Sensei's family at an early age, you can bypass the dickhead racist patreon rules.

If you play fenoxo's TiTs, kinda like how Shade-mc sex is alright cause shade is mc's cousin.
Weird how picky they are considering most of their host country bans even incest between cousins and anyone bound as family by marriage, which was their justification for said rules in the first place, the law, as if fake incest content is illegal there in the first place. Sorry to tell you this, Patreon, not really, but incest laws in your host country only apply to real people.

This is probably the only game on here that i play just for the story, i love the weird mindfuck elements to it, the fact that it parodies the harem genre by having a (mostly) amoral MC with girls that (understandably) have issues with him sleeping around, and the lingering feeling of dread lurking around every corner-waiting to scare you silly.

Honestly, you could cut out the sexy stuff entirely and i think most people wouldn't really mind. (Don't do it though, Sana deserves some loving)
"Lessons in Love" and "Harem Hotel" are the only two I play for the story alone with "Lessons in Love" receiving a higher priority on my play list and more attention paid to it while playing. In the case that both somehow release at a close enough interval that I haven't had the time to play one before the other releases, the "Lessons in Love" update automatically gets played before any other game on this site, including "Harem Hotel," so the "Harem Hotel" update would be put on hold until I completed the update for "Lessons in Love." Of course, that is extremely unlikely to happen, but I stand prepared in case it does.

Well clearly we see it differently, i don't feel having 3 characters that feel essentially the same just to different degrees is necessary and that's all i will say on the topic. As to the ending well, if that is the case i guess i will stop my donation and move on. I see no point in continuing to play a game with no potential ray of optimism and have no desire to just end up disappointed. Guess i will just unsubscribe take my leave of this game if that's the case.
They aren't the same, Ami is a girl who lost her family down to one person who she now sees as her only source of comfort and love taken to an extreme in her grief, Noriko is just a psycho, seriously the most deranged character in the game by far, and Ayane is lonely due to how her own family is, way too preoccupied with their business for her own good. She literally has to go down to the skullery to talk to the butler for anyone to talk to at all while at home.

As for the ending, there is one and only one potential possibility that I keep forgetting, but the chances that even that ending will be anywhere near positive are slim at best. In the Denpa genre, there is sometimes one last ending to unlock once all the other, honestly really depressing, endings are completed. There is sometimes a true ending locked behind completion of the others that, on EXTREMELY rare occasions, we're talking better chance of getting hit by lightning rare, comes to a more positive end. Not necessarily positive in general, but more positive than what the other endings did.

I know that feeling. My solution was simple, I just stopped sleeping =)
Send halp

First of all: tots fair and your decision, won't argue about that itself.
But two points still.

First, they are not the "same" characters. People in RL share a ton of character traits yet still are totally different personalities and characters and that is here in this game very sure for the 3 you and Alex argued about. Ami, Ayane and Noriko are extremely different personalities that do have their own subset of characteristics, one of which is their obsession with Sensei but for completely different reasons (though Ami and Ayane share a bit background there. Still, the reasons are different). That does make them very much not the same in my book. Implying they are basically the same is honestly an oversimplification that stems from the sole belief that this has to be the case, not actually paying attention to their dialogues, sorry for my bluntness there.

Second, denpa or not, it doesn't mean there cannot be a somewhat good ending. I am very certain that there will be at least some form of redemption and "happy end" for Maya, but not in a way that is without constraints. That also wouldn't fit the entire concept or story seen so far so there's that. What we know from what Sel has planned is that after the harem and the sad part, there will be purity routes (focusing on single characters mainly) that lead to the actual ending, eventually.
This alone does imply it will not end as your usual denpa either.
Again, I am certain it will not be an "all is good and gravy" ending because it doesn't fit with the entire depth of the story, but it will be a good ending for such a deep and thoughtful story that the game tries to tell.

If that is not enough for you then this is tots fine. But your message kinda gave me the impression that you assume the game will end in tragedy and despair only, and even without knowing any of Sels actual plans, I am certain that won't be the case.
It will only be 90% Tragedy and Despair. Praise Be!
Exatctly, praise be.

I Agee that it is an oversimplification and that yes they do have different characteristics. The main point I was getting at is that is that having this many characters with overlapping issues can the game overly complicated and harder to follow for many people. But again this an extremely quibble and honestly mostly personal preference on my part. I am not saying it needs to be changed or at this point just that I personally would have preferred a more streamlined story. If other prefer this there is certainly nothing wrong with that.

As to your remarks on the ending that is actually exactly what I am.looking. I dont need a happy ending where they ride into the sunset or the MC lives happily ever after with his harem. But I want to be some kind optimism even if it something like the Maya finally learns to live with whatever happened and is able to move on with her life. The reason I was seing it as only bleakness is cause I stated that several times and Alex stated that no that would not likely happen and that ending would simply be depressing and tragic. I dont mind a tragic ending as long there is some kind of optimism in it whether it be character growth or a potential for a brighter future. Like you said I think that would be more in line with the tone.of the game thus far
Yeah, I can say right now with absolute certainty that riding into the sunset with his harem is not going to happen. I cannot say for certain there won't be anything more positive, only that truly positive is less likely than winning the lottery AND getting struck by lightning...twice in the same spot. This genre, Denpa, is well known for several things and that is one of them. If Selebus were to make any of it truly possitive, it just wouldn't fit. It would remain a great game, but it would only be able to achieve an okay level of quality as a Denpa game. However, there is a little bit of wiggle room. This doom and gloom is what the the genre is best known for. I know I mentioned "Doki Doki Literature Club" before, but another game that I used to think was standard horror and turned out to be Denpa is "Higurashi," though that's not as famous for its Denpa aspects, so look at that as an example of where this might head as well.
 
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