I also thought that, given how the game begins, this one might be spared the trouble. But then again, patreon is full of shit so it really was a matter of time before they did something. I just hope he can sort it out.I actually wasn't sure if they would given the very beginning seems to play it off as if the MC isn't actually Ami's uncle, but someone else inhabiting his body. IT isn't until later in the game that the potential for this to just be a different version or side of her uncle is explored and Patreon isn't known for diving deep into games that potentially violate their ToS even when reported by a user.
Honestly, I am beginning to suspect we have a mole or a troll, someone with some sort of motive to report the game. There have been plenty of things that have been shot down entirely, like eliminating the 'happy' scenes or making them skippable because they are too much for some or adding text support for the audio cue in "There Is Nothing," though those are only examples, I don't suspect specific people I have seen complain about those things in particular.
Genius,, the parody of the game part. He could even take direct shots at Patreon in it, might be a good stress reliever considering what they put him through.He should just turn the SFW version into a gigantic parody/riff of the game and censorship in general, then a..."fan" (Ami with a moustache) puts up the uncensored patch in an offsite somewhere (SubscribeStar or Itch.io) so we can all play it.
If there's one thing i hate about these sites is the feeling of arbitrariness, the application of the rules seems to change depending on the work and the attention something brings towards itself, i would prefer if these sites had strict rules regarding what is and isn't acceptable rather than this grey area where someone just pulls the rug out from under you.
And it's not just about the credit card companies, Patreon (and others) have a tendency to just make up shit on the spot, the "Lolita" example is a great one but there are others.
I'd take this as a wake up call and start diversifying the ways the money would make it's way to me ASAP, when a site starts doing this (and Patreon's been at it for a while) it's only a matter of time before they start outright banning NSFW content (aside from maybe some art pieces or shit like that).
As long as Patreon's enforcers don't find out, yes. We're going to have to keep that quiet assuming he makes such a thing.Well, on the plus side of there having to be two versions-
the uncensored version can now go as 'far' as Selebus could possibly want it to.
I have no doubt he can and there are clear paths forward, the key is HOW he does it. Unfortunately, the real clear paths are submission to Patreon demands or outright quitting Patreon, only the first of which is feasible at this time, which is the one I cannot bring myself to support because I see it as encouraging this to happen again later. That said, I still have faith Selebus won't take that path, which is why I didn't immediately jump ship, shooting myself in the foot because I am supporting at a legacy tier, a tier whose benefits I maintain only because I haven't stopped supporting at that tier since it no longer exists for new subscribers to sign up to or for existing ones to move to. If I discontinue support without thoroughly investigating the results of this issue, I will lose my benefits and cannot get them back even if I resume support, so I have to be very careful here.I also thought that, given how the game begins, this one might be spared the trouble. But then again, patreon is full of shit so it really was a matter of time before they did something. I just hope he can sort it out.
I'm ignorant about these things, but I've always hated patreon because patreon prevents me from paying. I hope Celebus can handle this without problems and I can keep swearing at patreon.also can anyone explain why patreon is acting like a bitch? incest or young looking girls ? why are these so important fck patreon.
Bothincest or young looking girls ?
Because they are subject to what the credit card companies, like VISA, and payment processors, like PayPal, will allow. Some countries have laws against even underage pixels on a screen, in other words any character who looks underage is considered underage and is 'protected' as if they were real, which is a bunch of nonsense because pixels can't get hurt, and romantic and/or sexual relations with family, in other words any character that is having sex with or is in a relationship with a related character beyond the family relationship is not allowed, even if the character is entirely nonexistent.why are these so important
Nah, discontinuing your support just to move to another platform is not worth it to be honest. The whole point about supporting selebus is, well, supporting him. And I think it's fair to say that he will keep delivering just as he has so far, so it's not really worth it to stop it just to "fight" patreon policies. Many other patreon creators have moved to different while leaving patreon with a version which fits patreon policies and another version somewhere else. Even if not there will be a patch or something. Like I said (or maybe not, but I say it now), I have faith in selebusI have no doubt he can and there are clear paths forward, the key is HOW he does it. Unfortunately, the real clear paths are submission to Patreon demands or outright quitting Patreon, only the first of which is feasible at this time, which is the one I cannot bring myself to support because I see it as encouraging this to happen again later. That said, I still have faith Selebus won't take that path, which is why I didn't immediately jump ship, shooting myself in the foot because I am supporting at a legacy tier, a tier whose benefits I maintain only because I haven't stopped supporting at that tier since it no longer exists for new subscribers to sign up to or for existing ones to move to. If I discontinue support without thoroughly investigating the results of this issue, I will lose my benefits and cannot get them back even if I resume support, so I have to be very careful here.
Oh no, I didn't mean discontinuing to move to another platform, though that is the best option in the long run for people who wish to continue supporting and just want to distance themselves from Patreon. That's why I chose SubscribeStar when I first signed up, I was already fed up with Patreon.Nah, discontinuing your support just to move to another platform is not worth it to be honest. The whole point about supporting selebus is, well, supporting him. And I think it's fair to say that he will keep delivering just as he has so far, so it's not really worth it to stop it just to "fight" patreon policies. Many other patreon creators have moved to different while leaving patreon with a version which fits patreon policies and another version somewhere else. Even if not there will be a patch or something. Like I said (or maybe not, but I say it now), I have faith in selebus![]()
I see. I don't think the Selebus has much of a choice in the matter regarding patreon policies, at the end of the day their word is law. However I still believe the game won't change much one way or another so I wouldn't worry too much.Oh no, I didn't mean discontinuing to move to another platform, though that is the best option in the long run for people who wish to continue supporting and just want to distance themselves from Patreon. That's why I chose SubscribeStar when I first signed up, I was already fed up with Patreon.
What I meant by discontinuing support is that I have a strict policy in situations where a developer submits to Patreon's or a player's demands that, if they do, I stop and move on as they have lost my faith. My faith in Selebus, that he will find a way to keep the original game going, is what kept me from doing this immediately when Patreon struck him.
That said, even Selebus is not immune to my policy and it all depends on how he gets through this mess. IF he does what Patreon says without some way to restore the game in his plans somewhere, I am out. However, IF he does find a way, my support continues. I just can't support games below a certain standard for monetary reasons. If I could lower my standards, I would have A LOT more games I know of that would then be eligible for support, but I can't because my budget says no.
The most obvious path forward means the game stops developing as it is and becomes a shadow of its former self that no longer meets my quality standards, that path being submitting to Patreon and wiping all references to underage characters and incest.
The second most obvious, and the least feasible, is him moving everything off of Patreon all at once in the near future, which is only feasible if the majority of his patrons, which are on Patreon, move to SubscribeStar, something I strongly urge them to do.
Then there are the less obvious paths, all of which include things that I probably shouldn't say out loud in case Patreon is snooping as usual.
We are killing humans in games and this is problem ? Funny .killing humans ok but sex is not ? I dont understand that logic .Killing even worse than rape and incest ,atleast to me. Also They ok with yuri but not incest ? Incest and Yuri is same in logic .you cant stop them if they're Adult .well ami is not adult but incest isnt that bad in games.Both
Because they are subject to what the credit card companies, like VISA, and payment processors, like PayPal, will allow. Some countries have laws against even underage pixels on a screen, in other words any character who looks underage is considered underage and is 'protected' as if they were real, which is a bunch of nonsense because pixels can't get hurt, and romantic and/or sexual relations with family, in other words any character that is having sex with or is in a relationship with a related character beyond the family relationship is not allowed, even if the character is entirely nonexistent.
These countries' goverments live in a delusion where fake characters on a screen are real people, or so it seems.
If i were you i'd press them exactly on this point, how is it that "Lolita" is acceptable content but much tamer dialogue from your game isn't?It's a shitty situation, but I'm trying to make the most of it and have some fun in the process. Patreon's community guidelines specifically cite Nabokov's "Lolita" as acceptable content and they've already contradicted that by informing me there can't be any dialogue relating to sex with "young looking girls." My initial proposal was just deleting all of the NSFW art and keeping the dialogue from later scenes in and they said that wouldn't suffice, so...here we are. A brand new hugging, ghost fighting, Monopoly playing simulator from the developer of Lessons in Love.
I'll also add, consult with a lawyer. If Patreon isn't keeping their end of the terms of service, there may be legal recourse.If i were you i'd press them exactly on this point, how is it that "Lolita" is acceptable content but much tamer dialogue from your game isn't?
Patreon has been know to back off at times when creators start asking these questions.
We live in a society.We are killing humans in games and this is problem ? Funny .killing humans ok but sex is not ? I dont understand that logic .Killing even worse than rape and incest ,atleast to me. Also They ok with yuri but not incest ? Incest and Yuri is same in logic .you cant stop them if they're Adult .well ami is not adult but incest isnt that bad in games.
Must be true. Subeles has a different profile picture and name from Selebus.This is Subeles. I have taken over the 18+ version of Lessons in Love. I am not Selebus. Selebus only makes the all-ages version. We are totally different people.
bottom textWe live in a society.
I'm pretty sure that on discord announcements, Selebus mentioned that there will be a "restoration patch" that you'll be able to use on the patreon version, and the subscribestar version will be purely uncensored.What I meant by discontinuing support is that I have a strict policy in situations where a developer submits to Patreon's or a player's demands that, if they do, I stop and move on as they have lost my faith. My faith in Selebus, that he will find a way to keep the original game going, is what kept me from doing this immediately when Patreon struck him.
1) Patreon seems to discriminate against asian-influenced work, so that's probably why Nabokov's "Lolita" is fine. A novel made by a white person is good, but a game made using Koikatsu (which was made by asian people), is tainted by yellow people ideology so its bad. (And this is coming from a half japanese person)Which is also great since I've had tons of people who don't like sexual content ask me about a version without any and I can finally give them one.
It's a shitty situation, but I'm trying to make the most of it and have some fun in the process. Patreon's community guidelines specifically cite Nabokov's "Lolita" as acceptable content and they've already contradicted that by informing me there can't be any dialogue relating to sex with "young looking girls." My initial proposal was just deleting all of the NSFW art and keeping the dialogue from later scenes in and they said that wouldn't suffice, so...here we are. A brand new hugging, ghost fighting, Monopoly playing simulator from the developer of Lessons in Love.
I too am stuck here. Has anyone discovered the fix?hey all i have some dificulty to get wakanas soup or another year with you. It says call her at evening and well... it must be weekend i think, since what i have noticed some events or ones that has second running automatically after them seem to be usually made for saturday or weekends.
Not sure if you are limited to one at time like kaoris last two events that run back to back sad girls special and clouds. It was saturday and day 400+ i tried to call wakana at that same night but...not get the soup or another year with you event start. Maybe affection need to be specific lvl like 10 0r 15 with wakana not sure. that is another thing that come to mind.
only floating for ever unfilled event is missing of requirements in good morning main event, so yeaah XD.
If anyone has advices what i might be missing i really appriciate the helpusually it is just something that i have missed and wikiguide helps or the forum here but now i am actually hit the wall XD ( Actually has energy drink or two in freezer since they are gamers best friends
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like i said it just might be something minor i missed like doing event requirements in certain order or some char events visiting dorms etceventually figuring it out
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I know you guys are on discord more often so i wanna ask if it's in any way clear how we're gonna deal with Sensei's dialogue, Patreon says there can't be any dialogue related to sex with "young looking girls", but that's about 60% of Sensei's shtick (double-entendres, straight-up sex talk with the girls, etc...) outside of sex scenes.I'm pretty sure that on discord announcements, Selebus mentioned that there will be a "restoration patch" that you'll be able to use on the patreon version, and the subscribestar version will be purely uncensored.
So basically the patreon version's gonna be censored as heck but you can undo all that damage if you take 5 minutes or so to apply the restoration patch
And by the way, it seems like a fan of selebus, who goes by the username Subeles, will be uploading the restoration patch from now on![]()
Selebus is probably gonna replace entire character events where sex talk is present with a one-to-two-liner sarcasam.I know you guys are on discord more often so i wanna ask if it's in any way clear how we're gonna deal with Sensei's dialogue, Patreon says there can't be any dialogue related to sex with "young looking girls", but that's about 60% of Sensei's shtick (double-entendres, straight-up sex talk with the girls, etc...) outside of sex scenes.
Does that mean we're getting different scripts altogether (or at the very least, a couple dozen lines apiece)?
Just removing the sex scenes seems like the easiest part here tbh![]()
I'm assuming that the sex scenes will still be present in the uncensored version right? Selebus is not just doing away with them altogether?Selebus is probably gonna replace entire character events where sex talk is present with a one-to-two-liner sarcasam.
TLDR: Don't worry, uncensored version's always gonna be on subscribestar for free. I will post public uncensored versions on this siteFor the patreons out there who support selebus, a patch will apparently be available on the wiki
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