Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.44.0] [Selebus]

[Xiondingens]

Guys, is Rin actually a Bad Homie?

You know, i think she has the excuse of just been a young girl. So personally i would just see all what you have listed more as, been stupid, having a bad idea. I mean what does she even know about relationships? Her mothers were pretty disfunctional if rika is any indication, then she was rejected by chika, rushed into that thing with Otoha, that fell apart. So i give her the benefit of the doubt in been having good intention, but no idea what she is doing/what she should doing.

I mean that with not telling about the book. That feels more like, that it would be nodokas place to tell her and/or to just avoid the drama she didnt caused. I mean it is not her book, nor her idea. Not her fault. Why risk it by telling her and in the end get part of the blame? I can understand why she didnt told her. And sure, that might not have been the right or best decision. But who did the right or best at that age?

 

[derekthered56]

You know, i think she has the excuse of just been a young girl. So personally i would just see all what you have listed more as, been stupid, having a bad idea. I mean what does she even know about relationships? Her mothers were pretty disfunctional if rika is any indication, then she was rejected by chika, rushed into that thing with Otoha, that fell apart. So i give her the benefit of the doubt in been having good intention, but no idea what she is doing/what she should doing.

I mean that with not telling about the book. That feels more like, that it would be nodokas place to tell her and/or to just avoid the drama she didnt caused. I mean it is not her book, nor her idea. Not her fault. Why risk it by telling her and in the end get part of the blame? I can understand why she didnt told her. And sure, that might not have been the right or best decision. But who did the right or best at that age?

True. I don't hold mundane bad decisions against any of the characters. But I can see why Futaba is starting to feel done with all of her friends.

 

[Xiondingens]

True. I don't hold mundane bad decisions against any of the characters. But I can see why Futaba is starting to feel done with all of her friends.

Yeah, sure, it would be very understandable if she would loose trust in everyone. I mean i still dont think rin did really anything bad. It would make sense if futuba would feel differently about it.

Edit: Ah, but Ron has the advantage of been a normal human beeing. So she could do someting nodoka could never do. She could say she is sorry and appologize and that not telling her about the book was a mistake or something like that.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Crazy how I kind of feel the same about chika.
At the beginning of the game she was an S tier for me and has been slowly climbing down to A/B through the constant nagging, delusionism and fighting. The worst thing about all this is that she is literally right.

We are mad at Chika because we are the ones cheating on her and don't want her to act up on it when it's the most normal reaction ever. We are hipocrites and we don't like it.

It would be so very easy to make her accepting of the Harem like literally every other girl, but we need this type of character because it simply is way too convenient that they are all a bit jealous but then "well you are plapping 10 other girls haha what you gonna do about it"

The only real problem is that Selebus is dragging this whole thing for way too long. Even Ami is aware of the cheating going on despite being involved in many a less OBVIOUS infidelity situations around Akira.

 

[Nadekai]

The only real problem is that Selebus is dragging this whole thing for way too long. Even Ami is aware of the cheating going on despite being involved in many a less OBVIOUS infidelity situations around Akira.

Wait... Ami is actually aware?
I thought she is just delusional and believes that her uncle is committed to her... and probably Ayane

 

[Xiondingens]

Hm, i might have found molly's father. Can someone confirm that his name is jack?

Spoiler: Father Jack

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[LessonsInDissonance]

Wait... Ami is actually aware?
I thought she is just delusional and believes that her uncle is committed to her... and probably Ayane

Ami knows, she just pretends she doesn't (I think this was obvious)
Ayane knows too she was literally sucking Akira's dick with Kirin at some point and definitely knows Akira plapped Kirin and possibly more girls

 

[Nadekai]

Ami knows, she just pretends she doesn't (I think this was obvious)
Ayane knows too she was literally sucking Akira's dick with Kirin at some point and definitely knows Akira plapped Kirin and possibly more girls

Didn't Ami romantically announce that she is going to gut anyone who gets too close to sensei?
Also, who does Ami actually know about?
Aside from Sekai

 

[derekthered56]

Ami knows, she just pretends she doesn't (I think this was obvious)
Ayane knows too she was literally sucking Akira's dick with Kirin at some point and definitely knows Akira plapped Kirin and possibly more girls

Ayane straight up asked Akira for a list, she should know about everyone.
Ami called out Chika over the nudes on Akira's phone. Presumably she knows for sure about everyone else dumb enough to give Akira nudes.

 

[Nadekai]

Ayane straight up asked Akira for a list, she should know about everyone.
Ami called out Chika over the nudes on Akira's phone. Presumably she knows for sure about everyone else dumb enough to give Akira nudes.

... I like how calm she was about Akira having pictures of... 10yo Uta?

 

[Xiondingens]

Ayane straight up asked Akira for a list, she should know about everyone.

She also got at least one updated list iirc.

 

[DeSkel15]

The mentioning of a Harem Tierlist, had me interested. Here's my take on most of the characters when it comes to relationships, in Chapter 4:

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[Breadtaker]

... I like how calm she was about Akira having pictures of... 10yo Uta?

I think Ami is beyond caring about moral and legal sexual guidelines given who she is. She'll use them against people though.

Speaking of the pictures, she should have seen the messages from Sara. I was surprised Ami showed no signs of fighting off Sara during the camping trip. Ami is hard to read since shes a lot smarter than she lets on. I'm looking forward to seeing how Sensei's talk about mother figures go.

 

[Squalicorax]

Honestly, I've always thought Rin was kind of an asshole. Not at all a bad person, but she's a teenager in a shitty circumstance; she can be a little self centered and minimize other people's problems

Spoiler: This line in particular always hits like a punch to the gut, even if she's Going Through It in this moment

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[Moonflare]

Very well said. I imagine the reason why the self-insert things come rather often especially around Nodoka is exactly because her own story seems to be going nowhere, or hasn't started like you said. Thus when thinking about the in-story purpose of smartass characters such as herself, people have no other option but default to assuming their roles being either plot device or creator's self-insert. Neither of those is in-universe and thus neither of those is a good trait one assigns to characters that player can interact with on a daily basis.

The most generous benefit of the doubt I can give regarding Nodoka's purpose is that perhaps she is there mainly for tapping into cosmic secrets, and nothing more. Aka, understanding her episodes, her limitless knowledge, the upside down house, Kyoko Nagasawa, and understanding this senseless world through or with her are her purposes; and the rest will either be plot devices for others or simply go nowhere.

Like, at this point of time I've almost completely given up on Nodoka route receiving any interpersonal development content. Judging from how her book arc concluded and how things just seamlessly transitioned to Nodokathon, I sincerely don't know if she'd ever get her fair share of a long overdue kick in the shin. Maybe she will in the future, but after waiting months for any fallout to happen and none happened, I might as well believe that Selly personally tailors and puts a full set plot armor on her, grovels at her feet, before going out to get her coffee.

Well put. That's a fear I have as well. It feels like there have been many opportunities to add consequence and meaningful story arcs based on things she did, but none of them happened. We'll have to keep waiting I guess.

 

[Nadekai]

The mentioning of a Harem Tierlist, had me interested. Here's my take on most of the characters when it comes to relationships, in Chapter 4:

Spoiler

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Maki and Molly aren't on complete top?
Also, why is Ami... so high?
And Sekai... so low?

 

[Moonflare]

The mentioning of a Harem Tierlist, had me interested. Here's my take on most of the characters when it comes to relationships, in Chapter 4:

Spoiler

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Is Sekai on conditional sharing because she'd let anyone have Akira BUT watermelon girl? lol

 

[Story Anon]

But... but, what about the cross promotion?

You've all got my number.

 

[Moonflare]

Honestly, I've always thought Rin was kind of an asshole. Not at all a bad person, but she's a teenager in a shitty circumstance; she can be a little self centered and minimize other people's problems

Spoiler: This line in particular always hits like a punch to the gut, even if she's Going Through It in this moment

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Don't really have a problem with that line, when you're at the bottom of the well you can't have a filter. And she cares a lot about Futaba and her condition when she's able to (their conversation at the library shows this).

I agree with the general take about Rin though, she's one of the teenagers that most feels like a teenager in the game. And, by extension, she's also the one with one of the healthiest relationships with Akira (on Akira's part if good homie).

She hasn't been a good friend to him in recent chapters, but he doesn't seem to mind because, again, she's a teenager. There were no expectations to begin with. I think that she may come to a point where she realises that if she made Akira her anchor for both an open-dialogue friendship and sexual release (perhaps what she should have done from the start), she might become a much more stable character in relation to the other people she interacts with.

 

[DeSkel15]

Maki and Molly aren't on complete top?
Also, why is Ami... so high?
And Sekai... so low?

Maki and Molly seem fine with the Harem, but not really desiring the Harem itself.

Ami has suggested sharing multiple times, seemed to try to seduce Maya, offered Ayane Sensei in the name of friendship, and seems able to tolerate others as long as she's not pushed out. GU Ami is also more desperate than BU Ami, so I'd think she'd tolerate a Harem if she actually gets some.

Is Sekai on conditional sharing because she'd let anyone have Akira BUT watermelon girl? lol

Sekai seemed jealous of Niki, and Sensei was likely dating Niki while fucking Sekai. So, there seemed to be conditional sharing going on, but I'm not sure if Sensei was allowed to fuck Niki, considering even a strand of Niki's hair apparently got him in trouble with Sekai.

Of course, that's alive Sekai. The supernatural Sekai says stuff like this:

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