Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.44.0] [Selebus]

[LessonsInDissonance]

I agree that it's interesting to have many differently aged viewpoints. And I think it's rather important for Akira to be at least 30 in this story because, although still illegal, if he was, say, 22 (sort of Imani's age) - I feel like he'd be closer to a gray area age-wise. No disrespect to early twenties folk, but sometimes when you talk with certain 20 year olds there's barely a difference than when talking to a 16 year old.

Obviously the teacher-student thing is simply a no-no, but if Akira was 22 and he went out with a 16 year old it'd be different than what it is. Cause I can hardly imagine how a 30 year old would go out with a 15 year old when even having a conversation with one can be hard at times (but I can imagine a 22 year old doing it though). Tbh, regardless, I don't even think the sex would make much sense cause they'd simply wouldn't be there mentally... Even Imani and Kaori would already be stretching it as dateable in my eyes (age-wise).

Also important to note that none of this would apply anyway because, as Yumi points out, Akira isn't dating a student - there's no gray area (other than the supernatural one): he's dating 20 different people and is basically one step away from a sex cult.

Is it wrong that I kind of agree with this? The legal age of consent is made to protect minors, but it's not like everybody magically matures the second they turn 18
There's people who even at 20 years old aren't ready and should not get married, and there's people who are ready before they turn 18.
If it was up to me I would change the age of consent so that it was based on brackets and not a singular age.
As a matter of fact, I would raise the global age of consent from 18 to 20. (you are free to do anything)
When you turn 18 you can go as high as 24
When you turn 16 you can go as high as 20.
And probably leave it there.


EDIT: I just realized that under my proposition, the lady that I was intimate with for the first time would be in trouble.
Forget what I said

 

[Moonflare]

EDIT: I just realized that under my proposition, the lady that I was intimate with for the first time would be in trouble.

I guess it depends on the country, but iirc there can be a difference between a certain age in which nothing can be had between people (a child), and an age in which something constitutes a crime if there is a report (done by either the victim or their family/legal guardians), which would apply to late teens. Could be wrong about this though.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Reading back through, I see discussion about Nozomu being Akira's brother? But I can't find messages discussing evidence on that. (I'd like to see more).
Regardless, at the very least, I think Rin is Sekai's with a considerable lack of info.

It's well established that Ami's (presumed) father is Akira's brother.

When you go to visit Sekai's grave, the headstone reads "Nozomu and Sekai Arakawa"

So it's not implied or hidden. It's laid out right in front of you multiple times throughout the game.

 

[Moonflare]

Assuming that Rin's mother is one of the currently known characters, I don't know how you'd explain her pink eyes. Perhaps those come from the father.

I also wonder whether Kaori's eyes are heterochromatic from birth or if that's a result of her surgery.

And is Sensei's eye color actually black? Do we know what the "true" color is?

1. Rika is Rin's adoptive mother, same as the other mom. So her eyes could come from either unnamed father or mother. I don't see how one of the known characters would be her biological mom.

2. Kaori's eyes seem to have always been that way because both Yumi and Yuki have known her since childhood and none of them comment on her having new eyes, or something to that effect.

3. Akira's eye color is silver, that's what other characters see when they compliment his eyes (presumably, since none have commented on his "bluejay/wishing well" eyes).

Spoiler: Spotless Mind

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[DeSkel15]

Hm, besides Sensei (Akira), and Nozomu, there is one other and presumably the only other Arakawa male: Their father, who may be Yuu, and the prequel's Main Character.

We don't know much about him, but we do have Pareidolia implying that Sensei may end up like him:

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Based off the themes of cycles, fucking teens, etc, it's not exactly impossible that Sensei is merely Yuu 2.0.

Possibly fucking his own sisters if his father was the one who seduced and knocked up Sara, Chiaki, Kyoko, and Rin's mother, to keep the cycle going, before he was eventually replaced by his children, which is what Nao seems to imply will be Sensei's fate.

To have his offspring carry him away:

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I agree that it's interesting to have many differently aged viewpoints. And I think it's rather important for Akira to be at least 30 in this story because, although still illegal, if he was, say, 22 (sort of Imani's age) - I feel like he'd be closer to a gray area age-wise. No disrespect to early twenties folk, but sometimes when you talk with certain 20 year olds there's barely a difference than when talking to a 16 year old.

Obviously the teacher-student thing is simply a no-no, but if Akira was 22 and he went out with a 16 year old it'd be different than what it is. Cause I can hardly imagine how a 30 year old would go out with a 15 year old when even having a conversation with one can be hard at times (but I can imagine a 22 year old doing it though). Tbh, regardless, I don't even think the sex would make much sense cause they simply wouldn't be there mentally... Even Imani and Kaori would already be stretching it as dateable in my eyes (age-wise).

Spoiler: Fruits of torment

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Also important to note that none of this would apply anyway because, as Yumi points out, Akira isn't dating a student - there's no gray area (other than the supernatural one): he's dating 20 different people and is basically one step away from a sex cult.

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[Moonflare]

For me, Sensei is quite old, [...] I can't even imagine being 30 [...]

We old folk reading this:

Spoiler: meanwhile, at the bottom of the wishing well

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[Pedro4545454]

Kind of random, but I do think it's interesting to see different viewpoints on the game no matter one's age.

For me, Sensei is quite old, which definitely makes him more creepy in my eyes. I can't even imagine being 30, let alone being a 31 year old messing around with teens or...wizards.

It's quite interesting to see this difference in point of view, I spent a long part of my childhood and adolescence around adults, like adults even between 30 and 50 years old who weren't members of my family, and I had never realized how bizarre or scary this could seem to other people who always saw a child/adolescent with an adult and never people of similar age to him, so only nowadays can I understand how strange this can seem to other people, but I have I'm 99% sure that because I've been used to adults being close to me since childhood, I don't see it in the same scary tone that most people do because I'm already used to it.

 

[12345431]

It's well established that Ami's (presumed) father is Akira's brother.

When you go to visit Sekai's grave, the headstone reads "Nozomu and Sekai Arakawa"

I wasn't questioning that Ami's (presumed) father is Akira's brother. Just that Nozomu is Akira's brother, and I'd never read the gravestone. It wasn't until Sekai started bleeding through the world (Akira's mind) that I even learned her name.

I really should have expected that in a game where people pop in and out of being dead that the dead could come back(?), so I didn't see a reason to read it. I should have, obviously.

 

[Bingoogus]

DrDisrespect

Literal "who?"... just call her a pedo dude, no need to be 'extra' and throw random references in, but if you absolutely must, just add a note as to wtf the reference even is.

Kind of random, but I do think it's interesting to see different viewpoints on the game no matter one's age.

For me, Sensei is quite old, which definitely makes him more creepy in my eyes. I can't even imagine being 30, let alone being a 31 year old messing around with teens or...wizards.

Frankly, even someone that's Kaori's age getting with Sensei seems a little odd to me.

Meanwhile, I know others immerse themselves in Sensei, which brings out interesting PoVs. Those who don't, also bring out interesting PoVs. There's value to be found here, no matter the age of the player, imo.

Omg, how young are you man... is... is the 15 in your name your birth year? Are you 8 or 9 years old?...

 

[aramaug]

I don't like the theory, but Nozomu could have been going around fucking other girls. Sekai should have been around 41 now, if Nozomu's the same age, he'd be around 26 when Ami was born. One would have to see about Sara's age to see if it matches with him being a teacher to get her pregnant. But he definitely did something despite Ami claims of him being normal, because Sekai alludes to a "you won't believe what your brother did to me the other day/night" (forgot the exact quote).

Especially in the case of Sana and her brother, for her to inherit psychosis would make sense with the Arakawa bloodline (plus Sara's own dna).

However, I just feel like it would be too much. Like way too much. Nozomu would have ended up twisted same as Akira despite not having a Sekai in his life, the same family would have been going around doing basically the same kind of thing to everyone, Sara would have fallen in love with both brothers, many of the girls would be falling for their uncle - the list goes on and on.

I also feel like it would be too much for Sekai's family to have two sisters, for Nozomu to impregnate one, abandon her, run away with the other sister, marry her and then accept his child this time (when they're basically the same age).

Game's already complicated enough as it is, I highly doubt Nozomu being the father of anyone other than not Ami will prove true.

I'm withholding judgment on how effective or silly a reveal of predator Nozomu would be, given there's still so much we don't know about him, his family, and even how people's pasts/memories in Kumon-mi relate to the real world. Regardless, there does seem to be a lot of circumstantial evidence for the idea.

Sara and Sana are apparently chosen of the god Nozomu, who also messed with Sara's mind enough to give her blackouts. An avatar of "USER1" calls Sana "offspring" and claims to have known Sara sexually.

Spoiler: Ad Infinitum

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There's the "survived by one other" thing from the sports wars, which could refer to a relation of Sana's through her father - such as her half-sister Ami.

Spoiler: War Never Changes: Egg Time Madness

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There's a possible foreshadowing of Sana and Ami being related.

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More generally, the narrator in "Something Everyone Knows and Ignores" talks about a man who was forced to suppress his sexuality by his parents and responded by trampling a bunch of flowers. Trampling flowers is used in the game to refer to a predatory relationship between an older and a younger person, whether it be rape (Io and her abuser) or just skeevy and "consensual" (Akira and Ayane for example).

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It's also been foreshadowed a few times that Akira might have niece(s) other than Ami:

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I don't think there's any direct evidence for Rin and/or Chika being Akira's niece, but it's plausible especially when you compare their deadbeat dad situations to Sana's.

 

[aramaug]

Some people whether they are already 30 [...] of course they are already past their prime

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[DeSkel15]

Omg, how young are you man... is... is the 15 in your name your birth year? Are you 8 or 9 years old?...
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[fdsasdf_p]

The source of “Nozomu Arakawa being the possible dad to multiple girls” (especially Sana and Rin) is not because it is chronologically possible, but solely because the unexplainable taken place on these girls and their bio-moms is mostly under the label that represents the first god. That’s how the dude with the name of a god becomes the prime suspect regardless of feasibility.

I suppose one way to disengage Nozomu Arakawa from these allegations is to consider the possibility that he wasn’t the first god itself (in any shape or form) but was merely named after the first god due to Saki’s religion. That is, the mysterious situations revolving Rokuharas and Sakakibaras are still connected to the first god, but Nozumu Arakawa would just be some dude.

The leap here is of course to assume Saki’s religion being the same as Yasu’s. With its dated history being verified, it’s possible (only on technical terms) for this religion to have Saki as a worshipper at a past time, exploiting the gray area where the details of Saki’s religious beliefs remain unknown (iirc it wasn’t outrightly confirmed to be some mainstream religion but someone pls fact check me on this)

 

[skwada]

Thts a bit too young bud

 

[Moonflare]

I'm withholding judgment on how effective or silly a reveal of predator Nozomu would be, given there's still so much we don't know about him, his family, and even how people's pasts/memories in Kumon-mi relate to the real world. Regardless, there does seem to be a lot of circumstantial evidence for the idea.

Sara and Sana are apparently chosen of the god Nozomu, who also messed with Sara's mind enough to give her blackouts. An avatar of "USER1" calls Sana "offspring" and claims to have known Sara sexually.

Spoiler: Ad Infinitum

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There's the "survived by one other" thing from the sports wars, which could refer to a relation of Sana's through her father - such as her half-sister Ami.

Spoiler: War Never Changes: Egg Time Madness

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There's a possible foreshadowing of Sana and Ami being related.

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More generally, the narrator in "Something Everyone Knows and Ignores" talks about a man who was forced to suppress his sexuality by his parents and responded by trampling a bunch of flowers. Trampling flowers is used in the game to refer to a predatory relationship between an older and a younger person, whether it be rape (Io and her abuser) or just skeevy and "consensual" (Akira and Ayane for example).

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It's also been foreshadowed a few times that Akira might have niece(s) other than Ami:

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I don't think there's any direct evidence for Rin and/or Chika being Akira's niece, but it's plausible especially when you compare their deadbeat dad situations to Sana's.

All of this is correct more or less, and the "survived by one other" is what bugs me the most. However, I don't like the theory and since I said so, it is true (following Selebus discord rules).

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not disputing that one, I'm refraining from lifting my hands above my head for a while now, since if I do, god might very well take it as a sign to pull me up.

 

[Dc345]

Only 2 events until the update is complete and of course Rika's events are the only ones left.

 

[Comiies]

Careful lest you slip character. I think you're supposed to be calm.

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Anyone that doesnt pick Callous in an opp

 

[Comiies]

Tbh though while the whole theory/s about Nozumo going on an impregnation streak and then just dissapearing into thin air is nice i believe its just one more instance of Sel trying to throw sand at our eyes.

Now about the whole "Akira becoming just like his father" comment that Pareidolia made.It makes me wonder.

We know that quite a sizable part of Akiras mental problems are due to his trauma and his(alleged) psycosis that he inherited from dear dad.The thing is though his torment doesnt end there.Gods and the resets are playing a huge part in his pain and suffering so with that in mind i present this mildly interesting and totally not strech-y question.

Would pareidolia be responsible for Yuus psycosis?(Not completely ofc but is he the reason why he never got better?).Since we have already established that Pareidolia wants to destroy everthing-Not through a "Through the ashes of the old the new shall be reborn" kind of way but in a "Chaos!!!" sort of way-and especially Akira.

Also just random thing but Nao is the first god weve seen that undermines our existance to this extent.Like the other gods are different.We are Pareidolias toy,Wires best boy and Hopes obsession.But Nao?Nao is different.Nao has the most GOD attitude out of all of them.How cute.

 

[Moonflare]

Only 2 events until the update is complete and of course Rika's events are the only ones left.

You mean to say that the update is complete then

unless someone reminded Selebus before he announced it: "oh right, there's Rika".

I just hope Rika has an actual event about her this time cause my god - give this poor (and hot as fuck woman of an appropriate age and sex experience) some plot other than "I got a job" and "Imani sucks at kissing".

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Okay, speaking of tinfoil hat theories, I have a doozy for y'all to ponder:

What if Pareidolia's true identity is actually Yuu Arakawa?

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This post has become too long, so here's a recap on the theory at hand:

- Yuu and Akira both have similar abilities and potential, relating to perception and manipulating the world as they see fit.
- Pareidolia's ability to cause hallucinations in people could very well be an example of what an unchained mind can accomplish once they're fully able to hone said abilities.
- Yuu as a character never appears in the game until Pareidolia's reset (Times New Roman) and once more in the midst of Pareidolia's season.
- In "Goodnight Moon", it's revealed that a figure in the corner of the room watches Akira, as Saki weeps into his shoulder mourning the loss of Yuu.
- While Yuu and Akira's relationship is currently unknown, we know that Saki didn't like him very much, especially after Yuu's death, since he reminded her of him.

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Well, there we have it! Feel free to rip this theory to shreds. Even so, I found it interesting to think about.