Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.52.0] [Selebus]

[vehemental]

Yeah, the Gumroad takedown seems to be saying otherwise to several of their arguments. If it was just boredom, the Gumroad would still be active because nobody would have acted against any official channel of distribution for the game or related contents. Even if Sel did something bad, doing something bad back, especially that which goes after his income, is Sel level at best. Regardless of what goes on because of the Discord side of this spat, two wrongs never make a right.

The Gumroad is an example of why Sel can't just ignore this place.

Taking down the Gumroad was a bad thing? What about from Gumroad's perspective? They don't want porn on their website and they made that immediately obvious, but Selly put it up anyway. Loli porn, even. That's not a very good thing to do, is it?

Okay, I follow, but why would anyone do that? That's like starting a rivalry with YouTube when you make Vlogging content. What's the purpose?

That's a great question man. I've written way too many posts on the topic

The conflicts he's engaged in with his own userbase have, so far, cost him his entire Patreon and months of development time, the Latest Updates and support links here (by his own admission, this site was responsible for the discovery and conversion of at least 40% of his current subscribers), his Discord almost getting banned, getting demonetized on Itch.io, and now his Gumroad page.

I can't imagine how much money he'd be making and where the game would be if the Patreon fiasco hadn't happened, and it was a disgruntled former patron who reported it. There are way too many huge games on there still being funded with blatant incest and even loli content for there to be Patreon reps or some other group playing them just to police the content.

 

[Pullox]

This talk about "gumroad being down", even selebus said it was "currently inaccessible" but... it isn't? Unless it was down for a short while and he got it up again with gumroad support

 

[vehemental]

This talk about "gumroad being down", even selebus said it was "currently inaccessible" but... it isn't? Unless it was down for a short while and he got it up again with gumroad support

Looks like he got lucky and they brought it back up. Oh well. Hmm, I wonder if his nuthuggers will spam their support inbox because of selective TOS enforcement too

 

[barglenarglezous]

Looks like he got lucky and they brought it back up. Oh well. Hmm, I wonder if his nuthuggers will spam their support inbox because of selective TOS enforcement too

Did you look up the Gumroad TOS definition of porn?

Hint: It requires actual, real people to fit their definition.

 

[vehemental]

Did you look up the Gumroad TOS definition of porn?

Hint: It requires actual, real people to fit their definition.

Nope. Ctrl+F "porn" on their TOS page only said it was off limits and didn't have any definitions.

But I googled "gumroad porn" and hey, would you look at that:

"Content of any format, including those listed above, that features characters who are minors, are depicted as minors, or are suggested to be minors in any sexual or sensual or fetishized context is strictly prohibited and cannot be sold on Gumroad."

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Looks like the care package site is down again though. Maybe they're having disagreements among the staff.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Nope. Ctrl+F "porn" on their TOS page only said it was off limits and didn't have any definitions.

But I googled "gumroad porn" and hey, would you look at that:

"Content of any format, including those listed above, that features characters who are minors, are depicted as minors, or are suggested to be minors in any sexual or sensual or fetishized context is strictly prohibited and cannot be sold on Gumroad."

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Looks like the care package site is down again though. Maybe they're having disagreements among the staff.

Must be, because Sel posted a screenshot to the Discord from the Gumroad rep explicitly stating there has to be actual humans.

 

[estrada777]

it's work
but apparently the text box more buggy than before eh?
thanks though,

What's wrong with the text box?

 

[Wardtnaci]

I didn't even notice the rice got deleted, nice catch, I've updated the post.

Heh NP, it wasn't my catch though. Few people said they were struggling to get through 4th reset while following the guide. And someone else pointed out the Eat rice. But I'm glad its fixed and people are using it.

 

[Wardtnaci]

Some Previews of Kirin for everyone to check out...

 

[Wardtnaci]

LoL Just because sometimes I like going down Internet Rabbit Holes, I find this....

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Seems like F95 ain't the only place leaking early copies of latest update
Some of them are locked behind DL paywalls.

Also since Google posted that they removed 1 result. I looked up this...

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Sel got a DMCA complaint with F95 , the result removed until you make your search "Verbatim" then is not, and Lewd Ninja.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

LoL Just because sometimes I like going down Internet Rabbit Holes, I find this....

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Seems like F95 ain't the only place leaking early copies of latest update

Also since Google posted that they removed 1 result. I looked up this...

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Sel got a DMCA complaint with F95 , the result removed until you make your search "Verbatim" then is not, and Lewd Ninja.

I really hope this DMCA thing was done by some idiot fan of Sel's and not by Sel... because he is literally using pirated software/assets to make his game. by issuing a DMCA claim himself he is declaring the assets as his and completely walks outside of the grey area he was in using 'abandoned' assets which are public domain.
correct me if I'm wrong on that

edit: also good job letting them know who else to attack. let me just go get some popcorn for this horrible fallout
2nd edit: the only time I am aware you can use and file DMCA and copyright on assets made by other people is when the author has been dead 70+ years (at least in the states) or you purchase the rights to it and that is not the case

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

Some Previews of Kirin for everyone to check out...

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Ahh Kirin my beloved, adorable as always, marry Kirin, fuck Noriko and kill Chika.

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

I really hope this DMCA thing was done by some idiot fan of Sel's and not by Sel... because he is literally using pirated software/assets to make his game. by issuing a DMCA claim himself he is declaring the assets as his and completely walks outside of the grey area he was in using 'abandoned' assets which are public domain.
correct me if I'm wrong on that

Just look at top left of page: Sender Selebus Inc.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

Just look at top left of page: Sender Selebus Inc.

anyone can do that though and sound official
edit: and the fact that the word 'customer' was used is a massive goof because these subscribestar and patreon games only work on the ambiguity that it is purely donations not 'purchases'. customers don't donate money for a Starbucks coffee.

 

[Wardtnaci]

also good job letting them know who else to attack. let me just go get some popcorn for this horrible fallout

The Internet is an open window to any who wishes to look, it wasn't that hard to find so I'm sure he'd easily find them too with or without me posting.

 

[Bingoogus]

Seems like F95 ain't the only place leaking early copies of latest update

Interesting, though it's not like you can easily prove their members are leaking the game separately to here, you could either have the same leaker leaking to many websites, or, members of those sites could be ripping the leaks from here. I'd be curious to test it but i can't imagine how without also imagining a counter argument to each test... heck, the leaker/s here could be ripping the leaks from one of those websites for all we know.

 

[Deleted member 2223621]

The Internet is an open window to any who wishes to look, it wasn't that hard to find so I'm sure he'd easily find them too with or without me posting.

yeah the internet is an open window for the most part but few people ever bother to move the blinds aside to see they had the option to climb through it.
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and if the person who did it was aware of them, why didn't they also issue it against them instead of just two places

 

[BlackDays]

Interesting, though it's not like you can easily prove their members are leaking the game separately to here, you could either have the same leaker leaking to many websites, or, members of those sites could be ripping the leaks from here. I'd be curious to test it but i can't imagine how without also imagining a counter argument to each test... heck, the leaker/s here could be ripping the leaks from one of those websites for all we know.

Seems things spread from here and lewd ninja, to the other places, looking at the dates.
Interestingly, those are also the only two sites mentioned in the dmca thing.

 

[Bingoogus]

Seems things spread from here and lewd ninja, to the other places, looking at the dates.

Didn't know about lewd ninja, only other adult game site i know about is itch.io and recently ***********, but outside of those, your entire list is news to me, gonna save them as backups in case this place ever burns down.

Welp, back to Dyson Sphere Program.

 

[BlackDays]

Didn't know about lewd ninja, only other adult game site i know about is itch.io and recently ***********, but outside of those, your entire list is news to me, gonna save them as backups in case this place ever burns down.

Welp, back to Dyson Sphere Program.

Not my list though, that was Wardtnaci.

And, cool game .