Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[BlackDays]

yeah. most definitely. the way japan views relations are a bit different than in western countries. please correct this if wrong but I was under the impression if your brother marries some one that person is now your real sibling, not an in-law
that suana event in the 'good' uncle route where ami basically says sensei has already done incest might have been referring to that. or it could be way more deep than that. ami controls the food he eats even i think admitting once to putting her hair and other fluids in his food. drug him tie him down and does what ever she wants with him. this could be an indicator that ami remembers all the resets including the ones sensei doesn't, but pretends otherwise. even deeper still...we still dont know anything about maya... at all and if ami knew about their relationship as indicated by baby finches... i wonder if she is referring to that and maya is related to them.
I also kind of think maya knows its ami at this point, but cant say anything or everything gets broken, so maya is outright lying to sensei and ayane about what is going on because if she tells them she is afraid she will have to start over, she is just hoping that sensei figures it out all on his own, maybe everything wont get reset again.
those are just guesses though

I think it's an interesting idea that Maya might be related to Ami and Akira.
Some people think it's Sana, because her mother seems to have had an relationship with her (Sara's) teacher back then and people think it was Nozomu.
But since we still don't know where Maya comes from it's possible that Nozomu was her father.
Would raise the question what happened to her mother though or who she was.

Relating to the good uncle what was it? sauna scene?:
If incest would mean Sana, why would Ami come up with that idea?
Akira, as far as we know (besides prior cycles) never went to town with her yet.
Who could Ami suspect at all?
As i see it there's one person, she even denies the idea of, she ever even got tutored by Akira.

Till now i thought that in the scene where Ami goes super yandere mode and denies that Akira ever tutored Maya and Noriko, was because she was in denial that other people were able to help Akira out of his depression besides her.
But maybe there's more.
Maybe she supsected or found out that Akira and Maya had a physical relationship and then found out they are even related.

But in the end i'll put this more in the less likely but possible section of theories.

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

Wait, this might be a trip and a half, but what if the seasons(and gods) are linked to Sensei's "feelings", so the summer is hornyness, winter is indifference, rain(probably autumm) is concern and then spring would be love, rain is starting to show up more because he is caring more about the girls, and then that is why in Io's event "1999 PC Classic, Rollercoaster Tycoon" he is smelling spring, and asks himself "how can I remember a season that doesn't exist", because he once loved Sekai and after the accident he "forgot" about it.

 

[hario1225]

I think it's an interesting idea that Maya might be related to Ami and Akira.
Some people think it's Sana, because her mother seems to have had an relationship with her (Sara's) teacher back then and people think it was Nozomu.
But since we still don't know where Maya comes from it's possible that Nozomu was her father.
Would raise the question what happened to her mother though or who she was.

Relating to the good uncle what was it? sauna scene?:
If incest would mean Sana, why would Ami come up with that idea?
Akira, as far as we know (besides prior cycles) never went to town with her yet.
Who could Ami suspect at all?
As i see it there's one person, she even denies the idea of, she ever even got tutored by Akira.

Till now i thought that in the scene where Ami goes super yandere mode and denies that Akira ever tutored Maya and Noriko, was because she was in denial that other people were able to help Akira out of his depression besides her.
But maybe there's more.
Maybe she supsected or found out that Akira and Maya had a physical relationship and then found out they are even related.

But in the end i'll put this more in the less likely but possible section of theories.

Incest < Preserving the royal bloodline

 

[KnowNoHope]

Based on some Internet reading, there used to be a feeling that marriage was a fusion of the two families, but that practice has dwindled in recent decades.

The only time this is truly the case is the practice of Mukoyoshi -- where a family will legally adopt a son-in-law. This is usually only done by families that own a business, but have no sons of their own, and it's done so that the family business can be passed down to a male heir. Since Nozomu and Sekai were both teachers, it's unlikely that this was the case.

thanks, never was confident on that info, but I've read from people that were.

I think it's an interesting idea that Maya might be related to Ami and Akira.
Some people think it's Sana, because her mother seems to have had an relationship with her (Sara's) teacher back then and people think it was Nozomu.
But since we still don't know where Maya comes from it's possible that Nozomu was her father.
Would raise the question what happened to her mother though or who she was.

Relating to the good uncle what was it? sauna scene?:
If incest would mean Sana, why would Ami come up with that idea?
Akira, as far as we know (besides prior cycles) never went to town with her yet.
Who could Ami suspect at all?
As i see it there's one person, she even denies the idea of, she ever even got tutored by Akira.

Till now i thought that in the scene where Ami goes super yandere mode and denies that Akira ever tutored Maya and Noriko, was because she was in denial that other people were able to help Akira out of his depression besides her.
But maybe there's more.
Maybe she supsected or found out that Akira and Maya had a physical relationship and then found out they are even related.

But in the end i'll put this more in the less likely but possible section of theories.

yeah, I kind of thought that possibly maya is sensei's actual daughter from with sekai, or maya might be nozumu's actual daughter, essentially ami and maya are sisters, maybe half, maybe full (doubt it, i dont like the eye color theory but am willing to throw it a bone)

as for the sauna event (the one where ami and sensei are in the sauna at the beach), sensei hasnt done anything to sana really yet so why would it be a reference to that , not to mention ami doesnt yet know of sensei's intentions regarding her. so when ami kind of drops the notion sensei has already committed incest despite never touching ami up to that point, it means sensei has done incest with someone else in the cast that ami DOES know about, it is roughly implied that the only other person she knows of that might fit that bill is Maya because of the happy event 'baby finches'. unless you think ayane is related to them (how) and the 'ami killed them because she found out' theory is correct.
the other option is that ami recalls a past reset we do not where she drugged sensei and had her way with him or something else, this was going on for much longer than current sensei can remember.
edit:
I also still think sana is his brothers daughter too... the guy got around... honestly wondered if chika's dad might be him too, but chinami seems way to young for that to be possible based on the loose timeline we have of his death and no situational or circumstantial evidence for it

 

[Bingoogus]

I also still think sana is his brothers daughter too... the guy got around... honestly wondered if chika's dad might be him too, but chinami seems way to young for that to be possible based on the loose timeline we have of his death and no situational or circumstantial evidence for it

She's 9 isn't she? Akira is 32(31?) and the car crash was when he was 23(right?) so it's actually possible and if Chiaka didn't know he died she might've just assumed he left her without a word (hence, what an asshole)... it could fit couldn't it?

 

[KnowNoHope]

She's 9 isn't she? Akira is 32(31?) and the car crash was when he was 23(right?) so it's actually possible and if Chiaka didn't know he died she might've just assumed he left her without a word (hence, what an asshole)... it could fit couldn't it?

huh.. i thought the crash happened when he was like 16

 

[Bingoogus]

huh.. i thought the crash happened when he was like 16

Well i'm just repeating what was said here but if he was 16... wouldn't Ami have been like a baby or toddler or something? How did she take care of him?

 

[KnowNoHope]

Well i'm just repeating what was said here but if he was 16... wouldn't Ami have been like a baby or toddler or something? How did she take care of him?

huh... what made him flee niki and them as a teenager then for noriko to find him later in his 20s to be her tutor?

 

[Bingoogus]

huh... what made him flee niki and them as a teenager then for noriko to find him later in his 20s to be her tutor?

Need i remind you:

I am the wrong guy to ask.

 

[Jedix]

I'm curious, and I don't know if anyone else has pondered this, but what do you all think would happen if Akira actually did introduce Niki to Chika? Just how explosive would it be?

 

[DeSkel15]

huh... what made him flee niki and them as a teenager then for noriko to find him later in his 20s to be her tutor?

Based off what I can remember:

Sensei didn't ghost and dump Niki until after the car accident when he lost Sekai and was presumably 23 (hence all the 23's that tend to show up and there being 23 layers of hell.), This was after dating Niki for 5 years, so when he was presumably in college she was in highschool (hence her mentioning no one believing she was dating an older guy). After the accident, he took in Ami, and Niki fell into depression, let her parents know Sensei was tutoring, then they set up Noriko to be tutored by him. This is also when he tutors Maya. He's a tutor until he's around 28 or 29/almost 3 years before the game starts, then he disappears completely from the Nakayama's, for unexplained reasons, moves with Ami, and becomes an actual Teacher. Then comes the space war, him teaching the class, Yumi detentions, and the timeloop/gods stuff apparently.

In other words, his first disappearance was more of a "not coming around anymore after a tragedy" thing. They still had contact with him. It wasn't until almost 3 years before the game starts that he disappears on Noriko completely, which she thinks was because of Maya.

 

[Bingoogus]

I'm curious, and I don't know if anyone else has pondered this, but what do you all think would happen if Akira actually did introduce Niki to Chika? Just how explosive would it be?

It's an event we're all looking forward to.

 

[FireCazador]

The missing element in this game that I found in VN games is the unreplayable choices/dialogue. Well considering how hard it is to understand and it basically flashes disturbing images at you, it probably doesn't need it. But wouldn't it be cool to implement that at the endgame? It basically locks all of the choice you made and then once you arrive at some point, you can no longer access your other saves until the ending. (Although it's actually a chore to code lol)

Kinda like Nier Replicant remake, it erases your saves and then it would be recovered once you unlock the true ending.

Personally i dont like that kind of mechanic, i usually like to try choices and see what kind of conversations they have (usually im sure which option select before trying) and also there are some choices that lead to miss events, as someone who want to see them all, making the unsaving mechanic would piss me off

 

[DeSkel15]

I'm curious, and I don't know if anyone else has pondered this, but what do you all think would happen if Akira actually did introduce Niki to Chika? Just how explosive would it be?

Honestly, I'm not sure Chika would be able to accept it. I wouldn't be surprised if she thinks the Real Niki is just a lookalike that Sensei is getting scammed by.

 

[Dragon59]

Based off what I can remember:

Sensei didn't ghost and dump Niki until after the car accident when he lost Sekai and was presumably 23 (hence all the 23's that tend to show up and there being 23 layers of hell.),

I did not think muck of the plethora of 23s. I'm used to seeing them in association with Discordianism.

 

[DeSkel15]

I did not think muck of the plethora of 23s. I'm used to seeing them in association with Discordianism.

That might actually be the reason the game gives it significance. Same with dating Niki for 5 years. 5 and 23 have significance in Discordianism, a religion just like any other. Might explain why requirements for events tend to increase in increments of 5, in the game as well. One event requires 0 affection, the next requires 5, the next 10, etc. The law of fives.

Then again could just be a coincidence.

 

[Dragon59]

That might actually be the reason the game gives it significance. Same with dating Niki for 5 years. 5 and 23 have significance in Discordianism, a religion just like any other. Might explain why requirements for events tend to increase in increments of 5, in the game as well. One event requires 0 affection, the next requires 5, the next 10, etc. The law of fives.

Then again could just be a coincidence.

Given how much discord is in this game, it is very likely. Definitely a non-zero probability.

 

[KnowNoHope]

I'm curious, and I don't know if anyone else has pondered this, but what do you all think would happen if Akira actually did introduce Niki to Chika? Just how explosive would it be?

wasnt there a time when niki showed up at the beach with noriko and she met her there.
but yeah i made my thoughts clear on what is going to happen to chika when she finally gets a real convo with her
woof woof she becomes a bottom bitch of the harem route thinking sensei is a sex god

 

[hario1225]

I'm curious, and I don't know if anyone else has pondered this, but what do you all think would happen if Akira actually did introduce Niki to Chika? Just how explosive would it be?

If he did, then it would destroy Chika's idolism to Niki, but not in the way that you think. Idols express this kind of image that would seem to be innocent and flawless in every way and chika is hardcore fan as we know.

Those kind of fans usually run idol fan groups and was updated with the latest paparazzi. Btw, "Chika" is a word in Filipino which roughly translates to gossip. Could you imagine how a normal fan would react when they learn about Niki's real age? It can literally destroy her career. It's either Chika would keep her mouth shut, or blackmail her idol (which would less likely to happen).

So in short, there can be two outcomes: Chika would accept the fact that Niki was just like any other woman and maintain her relationship with Sensei. Second, she'd feel betrayed and would partially push the blame on Sensei. But as we know, Sensei already established a solid relationship with her family so the first outcome would likely happen
unless...

 

[farzeen14]

btw does anyone know how to play the events, The Lucky Few (Tsubasa) and A Brutal, Violent Creaming (Maya)? I have completed every requirement except for the Noriko event which shows missed in my save. thanks