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AgumenticR

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So, what does everyone think about Ayane being possibly foreshadowed to betray Maya?:
She'd never. Even if Ayane broke under pressure, I'd bet on her doing something self-destructive over selfish, and now that she seemingly found her spirits, it seems even less likely. It might be a temptation offered to her, but I am sure she'll refuse it, if so.

There's also the possibility that Current Ayane isn't quite the same Ayane we've known:
I think that one is straight up a joke to tease Maya. You know, "Ha-ha, just needed a reset, get it?" thing.
 

AbsoluteA522

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Btw since we're on the topic of Tsuneyo, is anyone else still curious as to why Tsuneyo was apparently lifting Molly on multiple occasions?:
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Juat picturing that in my imagination makes my heart blast.

aside from being her roommate, Molly was the first true friend that Tsuneyo grew attached to, and i remember Molly passionately measuring Tsuneyo's breasts in front of sensei.

So her lifting Molly occasionally is a sign that she doesn't mind getting handsy with Molly either.

plus who wouldn't want to lift that adorable tiny weeb she's just so lift-able.
 
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My current ranking would be something like this, I guess.



Most of this has actually been quite consistent throughout most of the game's lifespan. I'll just comment on some recent changes.

Kirin has been my #1 since the scene with Ayane at the beach and her scene after the Molly incident is one of the best in the game, but she's been dropping a bit now that she's starting to behave more like a normal person. I'll let her keep her spot for now, but I feel like mellowing out kinda makes her lose what made her stand out.

Nodoka seems to be taking Kirin's place as the enabler character that spurs Sensei on to be a worse person, so she's been inclining a lot lately compared to my apathy towards her on release. Same goes for Haruka; I always liked her well enough, but this recent arc bumped her up two tiers. Wonder what's next for her.

Makoto has risen in my opinion quite steadily over the course of the game's life span. She has a pretty good arc, I think. And while Miku still isn't my favorite or anything, I would've probably put her in F tier at the start.

Touka will rise very sharply if we get a dommy route from her, and probably drop if that turns out to be wishful thinking. I also still have high hopes for Yasu, whichever direction that will go in the end.
I want to say that this list is like the antithesis of my own list just because of Kirin, and while I'm not trying to yuck your yum, especially because you state the notion that Kirin is 'abandoning' her previous ideals and leaning more into a romance route and that loses her points which is something i agree with.

I'm genuinely curious? You are someone rooting for the worst parts of all the harem and characters? Is it from a story perspective or a fetish perspective or both?

Because i agree with you i don't like Kirin going to a 'normal girl route' but that's because i already hate Kirin, i don't want to like her, i don't like her methods and anything about her. I would very much rather take Karin on dates and rub it in her face to then just have hate sex with Kirin later because that's her role. In my eyes she is F tier because 'That' is all she is and she's not allowed to be more.

But you're arguing that she's S tier as that and her trying to be more lowers her. While i'm arguing that she's F tier and trying to be more might raise her up lol.
 

Bingoogus

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I want to say that this list is like the antithesis of my own list just because of Kirin, and while I'm not trying to yuck your yum, especially because you state the notion that Kirin is 'abandoning' her previous ideals and leaning more into a romance route and that loses her points which is something i agree with.

I'm genuinely curious? You are someone rooting for the worst parts of all the harem and characters? Is it from a story perspective or a fetish perspective or both?

Because i agree with you i don't like Kirin going to a 'normal girl route' but that's because i already hate Kirin, i don't want to like her, i don't like her methods and anything about her. I would very much rather take Karin on dates and rub it in her face to then just have hate sex with Kirin later because that's her role. In my eyes she is F tier because 'That' is all she is and she's not allowed to be more.

But you're arguing that she's S tier as that and her trying to be more lowers her. While i'm arguing that she's F tier and trying to be more might raise her up lol.
Chinami is my best girl cause she's the best, obviously, adorable and funny, quirky and secretly intelligent, i love every scene she's in. That being said, the thing i love most about this game is how truly fucked up it can be, i love watching scum being scum, falling into scummy behaviour, and just being awful people, the recent scene with Haruka was absolutely fucking kino and watching Kirin and Nodoka do twisted shit is extremely entertaining. I would hate them if they were real people, but as this is just fiction it's wonderful to watch something for its novelty without the burden of the real world to worry about. I had a similar reaction the first time i watched the film 'Hostel'.
 
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I have issues in that everything Sel writes lines up with conflict.

IF conflicts between members exist.
Chinami is my best girl cause she's the best, obviously, adorable and funny, quirky and secretly intelligent, i love every scene she's in. That being said, the thing i love most about this game is how truly fucked up it can be, i love watching scum being scum, falling into scummy behaviour, and just being awful people, the recent scene with Haruka was absolutely fucking kino and watching Kirin and Nodoka do twisted shit is extremely entertaining. I would hate them if they were real people, but as this is just fiction it's wonderful to watch something for its novelty without the burden of the real world to worry about. I had a similar reaction the first time i watched the film 'Hostel'.
Bingo boy pls calm. I promise I am not loading any PDF files.
 

DeSkel15

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That's twice someone has quoted me saying something I didn't:
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For some reason, that quoted me, even though I didn't send that:
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I think I know why but still, interesting.
Is this what cuckolding feels like??:
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Squalicorax

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Man, after I accepted and got kinda desensitized to the darkest depths of this game, the thing I think is the most absolutely gut wrenching is not being able to tell Sana you're sleeping with Sara like you can with Karin about Kirin. It's so clearly a setup for awful things to come, especially with how clingy she's getting and now she's openly coming onto us and I just really wish we could have been up front with her the first time she asked, because now that we're this far in, it's going to be so painful when she finally confirms it directly.
Same with Chika, actually. I feel like honesty and directness wouldn't have hurt her, certainly not as much as it's going to now that we're in this deep of letting her think/delude herself into thinking that Sensei is exclusive with her. Even poor Yumi seems to think so as well if you carefully dodge the nodoka scene...

I can handle the worst this game has to offer, but something about Sensei digging himself into these incredibly deep holes, is genuinely so painful to watch, especially since there's a good chance they already know and are just quietly playing along while constantly getting hurt knowing that Sensei is lying to them
 

Raf-Raf

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Man, after I accepted and got kinda desensitized to the darkest depths of this game, the thing I think is the most absolutely gut wrenching is not being able to tell Sana you're sleeping with Sara like you can with Karin about Kirin. It's so clearly a setup for awful things to come, especially with how clingy she's getting and now she's openly coming onto us and I just really wish we could have been up front with her the first time she asked, because now that we're this far in, it's going to be so painful when she finally confirms it directly.
Same with Chika, actually. I feel like honesty and directness wouldn't have hurt her, certainly not as much as it's going to now that we're in this deep of letting her think/delude herself into thinking that Sensei is exclusive with her. Even poor Yumi seems to think so as well if you carefully dodge the nodoka scene...

I can handle the worst this game has to offer, but something about Sensei digging himself into these incredibly deep holes, is genuinely so painful to watch, especially since there's a good chance they already know and are just quietly playing along while constantly getting hurt knowing that Sensei is lying to them
It's the opposite for me, I play the game to see how much sh-t Sensei can get into and when it's judgment day, it pays off.
 

Squalicorax

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It's the opposite for me, I play the game to see how much sh-t Sensei can get into and when it's judgment day, it pays off.
I'm well aware, I've been reading through the thread to see how the plot theories have developed and well, you're kinda an omnipresent force by page 100 lol. Me personally, I've gotten invested for two reasons;
1: Maya
2: I'm actually really interested in the growth and weird upward spiral Sensei's going through. it certainly seems like the redheads in his life are dragging him back down to his lowest currently, but I'm genuinely moved by seeing how he's improved and become more likeable overtime. I don't want to see him become a good person per se, but I do prefer it when his repressed caring side comes out, and I'm hoping he can overcome the hardships on the horizon

To be clear though, I love the tragedy of this game. Maya became my favorite character because of how genuinely sad her situation is. I'm not at all complaining about the direction it's going in, but I am probably going to wind up crying about it lmao
 

Raf-Raf

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I'm well aware, I've been reading through the thread to see how the plot theories have developed and well, you're kinda an omnipresent force by page 100 lol. Me personally, I've gotten invested for two reasons;
1: Maya
2: I'm actually really interested in the growth and weird upward spiral Sensei's going through. it certainly seems like the redheads in his life are dragging him back down to his lowest currently, but I'm genuinely moved by seeing how he's improved and become more likeable overtime. I don't want to see him become a good person per se, but I do prefer it when his repressed caring side comes out, and I'm hoping he can overcome the hardships on the horizon

To be clear though, I love the tragedy of this game. Maya became my favorite character because of how genuinely sad her situation is. I'm not at all complaining about the direction it's going in, but I am probably going to wind up crying about it lmao
Maya's a bonus but after revisiting, I find myself getting more and more annoyed than scared.
Happy scenes used to be my favorite thing in this game 'cause spookeh and now it's just trying hard to be scary while making sure the way-too-dank sounds play in the background.

Dropped all my interest in the story ever since.
 

Squalicorax

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Maya's a bonus but after revisiting, I find myself getting more and more annoyed than scared.
Happy scenes used to be my favorite thing in this game 'cause spookeh and now it's just trying hard to be scary while making sure the way-too-dank sounds play in the background.

Dropped all my interest in the story ever since.
Yeah, fair, I was never much into the happy scenes myself, they're a little too esoteric, IMO, and until it's more clear what exactly is going on with them, I can't really get invested in them. Some are really evocative and cool, but a lot overstay their welcome and feel a little more edgy than necessary.
But I wasn't really talking about the Happy events with my love for Maya, I more meant her more tangible plotline about the resets and her past with Sensei, and how more recently we're seeing through her all knowing persona into seeing her as she really is: a scared girl who's seen some serious shit terrified of losing the people she loves, and all her flaws that come from that. She's a brilliant character whomst I wish to hug.
 

hcguy

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Man, after I accepted and got kinda desensitized to the darkest depths of this game, the thing I think is the most absolutely gut wrenching is not being able to tell Sana you're sleeping with Sara like you can with Karin about Kirin. It's so clearly a setup for awful things to come, especially with how clingy she's getting and now she's openly coming onto us and I just really wish we could have been up front with her the first time she asked, because now that we're this far in, it's going to be so painful when she finally confirms it directly.
Same with Chika, actually. I feel like honesty and directness wouldn't have hurt her, certainly not as much as it's going to now that we're in this deep of letting her think/delude herself into thinking that Sensei is exclusive with her. Even poor Yumi seems to think so as well if you carefully dodge the nodoka scene...

I can handle the worst this game has to offer, but something about Sensei digging himself into these incredibly deep holes, is genuinely so painful to watch, especially since there's a good chance they already know and are just quietly playing along while constantly getting hurt knowing that Sensei is lying to them
This is why I have a save where I have not slept with any of the adults.
 
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spam24601

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I want to say that this list is like the antithesis of my own list just because of Kirin, and while I'm not trying to yuck your yum, especially because you state the notion that Kirin is 'abandoning' her previous ideals and leaning more into a romance route and that loses her points which is something i agree with.

I'm genuinely curious? You are someone rooting for the worst parts of all the harem and characters? Is it from a story perspective or a fetish perspective or both?

Because i agree with you i don't like Kirin going to a 'normal girl route' but that's because i already hate Kirin, i don't want to like her, i don't like her methods and anything about her. I would very much rather take Karin on dates and rub it in her face to then just have hate sex with Kirin later because that's her role. In my eyes she is F tier because 'That' is all she is and she's not allowed to be more.

But you're arguing that she's S tier as that and her trying to be more lowers her. While i'm arguing that she's F tier and trying to be more might raise her up lol.
Interesting question.

In the end this game is about a teacher grooming his 15-year-old students and trying to have sex with as many of them as possible. I tend to like it when characters throw this back in your face instead of skirting around it. Kirin calling Sensei out for his behavior while also enabling it is both arousing and interesting in terms of what it forces Sensei to confront. She's like the devil on your shoulder trying to get you to sell what little is left of your soul:

"Are you willing to be my partner in crime? Do you want to watch the rest of the world burn while we fuck like rabbits in my parents' bed?"

"The reason I like you so much is because it's interesting watching you set aside your 'morals' in exchange for temporary bliss."

"You're sick... Getting hard from being confronted about all the terrible things you've done."

"That's right, Sensei. Deny it. Deny it and take those feelings out on me. Be whoever you want to be outside this room, but show me the real you. No one else. They can't handle it. But I can... [...] Show me the you who pushes all of it away because it's easier when you don't feel anything."

"You can do whatever you want, to almost whoever you want, and I'll still be here for you to pin down and have your way with. We're in this together..."

I really enjoy that sort of "reverse corruption" dynamic where the girl who is in a sense a target of the guy's darker impulses is the one who actually goes and encourages them. Kirin considers herself and Sensei to be 'partners in crime' and is openly aroused by the thought of Sensei doing terrible things to other girls. So I kinda figured there'd be a point where you could choose a route more influenced by her perspective where Sensei really stops trying at all and just becomes totally depraved.

This is currently looking more like Nodoka's thing, but I like Kirin more for this role than Nodoka, because Nodoka seems like an actual sociopath and feels less 'real' and vulnerable than Kirin. With Kirin, like Sensei, there's always that small part of her that knows she shouldn't be doing this, but which she surpresses because it's easier not to feel anything. So as she pushes Sensei to the point of total ruin, there's the sense that she is also dragging herself down with him. I like that a lot. (Or liked that, I guess, since that small part of both of them actually seems to have become stronger rather than weaker over time.)

Aside from all of that, I guess I also like her for the more simple reason that I'm a masochist and like assertive girls who insult me.

As a side note, this just illustrates how bad tier lists are for representing one's full thoughts on the subject. As another example, Sara and Io are in the same middling tier, but Io is someone I quite like who gets dragged way down in the desirability ranking by being asexual while I simply don't feel very strongly about Sara at all.
 
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fdsasdf_p

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This is why I have a save where I have not slept with any of the adults.
This also reminds me how different these MILF/daughter pairs are,

Sana has zero tolerance while Sara from time to time promotes the two-in-one Sakakibara deal.

Neither Makoto and Maki would take it lightly if they know the other Miyamura is also riding the same cock, but an ugly compromise might be reachable.

Meanwhile
Yuki: yo she sucked your dick yet?

Rika: …*grab
 

barglenarglezous

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This also reminds me how different these MILF/daughter pairs are,

Sana has zero tolerance while Sara from time to time promotes the two-in-one Sakakibara deal.

Neither Makoto and Maki would take it lightly if they know the other Miyamura is also riding the same cock, but an ugly compromise might be reachable.

Meanwhile
Yuki: yo she sucked your dick yet?

Rika: …*grab
Yuki finding out he's fucking Yumi: "ha! I knew you were lying"
Yumi finding out he's fucking Yuki: *beats akira to death with his own cock*
 
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