Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[Dc345]

I just had a random thought (that could be an interesting event). Chika knowing that Sensei isnt that devoted as she thought and Rin knowing that Otoha cheated her, then both of them make out and shit impulsively.

I was thinking the same thing but Chika's otherworldly level of delusional proves otherwise.

 

[alex2011]

AFAIR Akira says something about Maya like: "She's something i'm not supposed to have."
Though, and my memory might fail me here, he might have said that about one or two other girls too.

If you think about how Akira can't have a physical, or emotional relationship with Maya, (because end result is dangerous of leading into a reset for at least Akira), than Maya seems to be the main candidate for "Something i'm not supposes to have."

Ofcourse there are plenty of other girls that would make a good "He better not defile her " as a "something he's not supposed to have."

I believe it has come up with multiple, yeah. I also don't think he meant it in the same way as HOPE when talking about Maya. I still think its a virgin, someone who he hasn't gotten consent from, someone who is with another girl, or a wizard. Those are the four biggest possibilities to me.

I just had a random thought (that could be an interesting event). Chika knowing that Sensei isnt that devoted as she thought and Rin knowing that Otoha cheated her, then both of them make out and shit impulsively.

I was thinking the same thing but Chika's otherworldly level of delusional proves otherwise.

Chika is anime harem protagonist levels of oblivious, not gonna happen. Also, Chika isn't the type to act on impulse OR to get with someone while in a relationship with another herself, in other words not a cheater. This would require Selebus to break away from his story first approach to the game in order to make it all happen with the way things are now, there's just too much canon built up that would have to be broken. That's something Selebus wouldn't willingly do.

 

[Bingoogus]

That's something Selebus wouldn't willingly do.

Not unless it's something he has had planned out at least, who knows where he intends to take Chika's story, she could get super jaded and go somewhat slutty if/when she discovers Akira's infidelity. I'm not saying how, i struggle to see an optimal path for it myself, but it's not impossible and it might take 30 steps to get there, but if that's his plan, that's what will happen.

 

[DeSkel15]

And i think that was just a snarky remark.
As i said, i think she thought of her as an alibi relationship.
We know that Akira never laid hand on Nikki, before recently (there are some implications with that depending if Sekai is up to date with things happening).
And i think Sekai knew Akira didn't have a physical relationship with Nikki, when she was alive.
And i'm with you and others, that Nikki might have been Akira's save haven from Sekai, or at least, a different approach for a relationship.

An interesting thing is:
Nikki tries to resolve Akira's problems by offering him to listen and take things out on her mentally.
Nodoka's attempt to resolve Akira's problems is to offer her body to his physical desires.



You think she hates Maya because she made him cut all ties to her and the... Nakayamas? (Nikki's family, forgot the last name.)
IIRC. Please don't nail me to it.
Sekai giving away why she hates Maya might be an important plot point we're just not allowed (by Sel) to have yet.
Hate needs a reason. And the reason i see in conjunction with the story so far, given the sexual abuse, predatory behavior and what not, one of the games tones, is, that Sekai saw Maya as a threat.
Akira picked Maya up and took her in, and he had the same predatory/faulty relationship with her, that Sekai had with him.
Only this time HE was in control. Sekai might had foreseen a shift in power relations. No toy Akira anymore.
I think that'd be a big point, to be jealous of Maya and therefore hate her.
If you wanted to point out that Maya was taking Akira away from Sekai, at least here, we're on the same page.



Or, if that really is Sekai, she's just ranting in bad mood.
*How dare you fucked that disgusting bitches pussy and* blah blah blah yeah it's ok Sekai, you don't like her, we got it. How dare Akira fucked someone besides you, you Nozomu fucking hypocrite.



Maya and Akira being fucked up was due to their pasts. With Maya's past still being a mystery and Akira's past being due to his upbringing and Sekai and the car crash. (While still, we don't know about Sekai's true nature. Meaning, if and what she is, if she is.)
If you're getting at the times where Maya fucked up some Akira incarnations in the cycles, we'd need to know if Sekai knows about it.



I think the reason Maya presumably forced Akira to cut ties with the Nakayamas and his past, was that she knew that his past would make him suffer. Did she wanted him all for herself? Yeah seems reasonable. The sole purpose? I don't think so.
But we know this, from Baby Finches (depending what the event really is):
No matter what "A" Sekai might have thought or "thinks nowadays", Akira seems to have been good, with Maya alone.
(BF is pretty messy so i rather leave that in limbo.)

The problems i see here at most is that:
We still miss important info. Thats to be expected.
For me, we still need to know:

Was Sekai ever real? (Is anything in the story real? PERCEPTION)
If she was and died, was she really coming back, at least at the Yasu event?
Or is she just Akira's memories incarnate?, his perception. Like everytime someone comes up with Sekai related topics, he imagines her, and because he doesn't want to remember, he glitches.
It's hard to make any assumptions about Sekai if we don't know if her knowledge is restricted to pre car crash, or because of her living on/resurrection, knowing things that happen now.

I think you're missing a few things, tbh.

Sensei and Niki did do sexual stuff:

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Nothing indicates that Sensei didn't want to fuck Niki or be with her, or even that Sekai wanted them together. Sensei just didn't use Niki for sex like he does virtually everyone else.

I also don't think there was a need for an alibi relationship. Sekai and Sensei were fucking around apparently long before he started dating Niki. Sekai is also his sister in law, and possibly his teacher, etc, so it's not like she needed some excuse to explain why she was around him.

I think potentially breaking the mind of an already broken Sensei, to the point he has virtual amnesia, is enough reason for Sekai to hate Maya. Sekai did love him afterall. Only second to Ami as far as has been revealed:

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Also, I think you might be a little confused about Sensei's and Maya's relationship. I hinted at it here:

So, Random Theory Time: Noriko and Maya's deal, may have broke an already broken Sensei:

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As for why Maya still avoids the Old District after all this time:

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I think it's likely for the same reason she remains a shrine maiden:

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She doesn't want to risk breaking the deal in case it influences her survivability.

But just from hints throughout the game, Maya seemed to be the one in control of her relationship with Sensei:

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since she was a kid. Sensei wasn't exactly in a state of mind to resist her. Hell, even now, he seems to let girls walk all over him if they want:

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Keep in mind, Makoto literally could have raped him recently. So far, Sensei being the one in control of his relationship with Maya seems more like Headcanon.

Also, Sekai being jealous of Maya just because Sensei fucked her seems out of character. Sekai seems Pro-fucking everything:

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Except for Maya because he can do better:

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Keep in mind that Sekai could have also forced Sensei into a threesome with Makoto and Futaba. I don't think Jealousy, sexually, is really even a factor when it comes to Maya for Sekai.

Btw, based off Baby Finches, it's possible that Maya might be behind Sensei killing himself before all of this:

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Also, whether or not it's actually Sekai I can't say, but whatever is taking her form can definitely affect the world around it:

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Hence the forced Futaba Makoto Sensei Threesome in Futaba's 'Toys'. Sensei also doesn't even need to be around for Sekai to affect things:

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[DeSkel15]

I just had a random thought (that could be an interesting event). Chika knowing that Sensei isnt that devoted as she thought and Rin knowing that Otoha cheated her, then both of them make out and shit impulsively.

I'm down for that. I definitely ship Chika x Rin more than virtually any other relationship. I feel like they'd be good for eachother, even as they grow up. Chinami could make Rin more mature, and if something happens, I think Rin would do her best to support Chika.

 

[qaz098]

I'm down for that. I definitely ship Chika x Rin more than virtually any other relationship. I feel like they'd be good for eachother, even as they grow up. Chinami could make Rin more mature, and if something happens, I think Rin would do her best to support Chika.

Chikia and Rin are both show to be very loyal and loving in a realtionship and i also think they are kinda perfect for each other. what sucks is that both of them are dating an asshole who dont care about the relationship and going to end breaking their hearts and leaving them in a really dark place.

but i cant see Chika finding out any time soon because it would end her route beacuse i cant see anyway chika would what to talk to Sensei afterwards. she would just freak out at Sensei and be done with him and then break down and most likly would leave her house

 

[DeSkel15]

Chikia and Rin are both show to be very loyal and loving in a realtionship and i also think they are kinda perfect for each other. what sucks is that both of them are dating an asshole who dont care about the relationship and going to end breaking their hearts and leaving them in a really dark place.

but i cant see Chika finding out any time soon because it would end her route beacuse i cant see anyway chika would what to talk to Sensei afterwards. she would just freak out at Sensei and be done with him and then break down and most likly would leave her house

Chika and Rin also both have jobs, care about eachother more than just sexually, and seem to be capable of satisfying eachother physically (even if a dick needs to be involved as both are fine with threesomes), which should mean they are set in virtually every way I could think of, relationship wise.

I'm not entirely sure how Chika will handle the news, but It's likely going to be bad for at least a little bit. Then again for all we know, these girls will be reset and reset until things work out in Sensei's favor, whether they want it to or not.

 

[qaz098]

so i was think that a lot of Io issuse might come from the fact that her parents or aunt just throw pills at her to fix any prombles instead of talking to her or taking her to therapy or finding other methods to help her deal with stuff. Io has said she been on meds for long time and i think from a young age she didnt fit in with other kids mainly other girls. i think this lend to Io thinking she not good enough or trash plus wouldnt be surpised if her parents was the type to keep tell her why arent you like a normal kid. i think she also asexaul what lend her to more confusing throughts and think she not normal or broken.

then i think something bad happen to her and i am not sure what happen because we havent been given much info but there been a lot of theories on what it could be that make sences. and i think these just made everyone of Io prombles 100 times wrost plus now she got trauma and ptsd. Io was able to work out that Miku had ptsd and i think it because Io also suffer from it.

and i think her parents or aunt response was to just give Io more pills instead of being there for her because Io is on a lot of pills and i think she on way more than she need to be on. not saying meds are bad but just that her parents are the type to deal with mental health with just throws meds at it intill your numb to it is all you need to do

 

[DeSkel15]

so i was think that a lot of Io issuse might come from the fact that her parents or aunt just throw pills at her to fix any prombles instead of talking to her or taking her to therapy or finding other methods to help her deal with stuff. Io has said she been on meds for long time and i think from a young age she didnt fit in with other kids mainly other girls. i think this lend to Io thinking she not good enough or trash plus wouldnt be surpised if her parents was the type to keep tell her why arent you like a normal kid. i think she also asexaul what lend her to more confusing throughts and think she not normal or broken.

then i think something bad happen to her and i am not sure what happen because we havent been given much info but there been a lot of theories on what it could be that make sences. and i think these just made everyone of Io prombles 100 times wrost plus now she got trauma and ptsd. Io was able to work out that Miku had ptsd and i think it because Io also suffer from it.

and i think her parents or aunt response was to just give Io more pills instead of being there for her because Io is on a lot of pills and i think she on way more than she need to be on. not saying meds are bad but just that her parents are the type to deal with mental health with just throws meds at it intill your numb to it is all you need to do

Io has definitely been taking pills for awhile:

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Seemingly since she was around 8 at least.

Don't really think you can blame it on the family though. At least, her Aunt doesn't seem to like it:

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It's mostly on the "Medical Professionals" that are giving these to her.

Io seems to just take whatever they give her, then watch as it fucks her up later:

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[alex2011]

Not unless it's something he has had planned out at least, who knows where he intends to take Chika's story, she could get super jaded and go somewhat slutty if/when she discovers Akira's infidelity. I'm not saying how, i struggle to see an optimal path for it myself, but it's not impossible and it might take 30 steps to get there, but if that's his plan, that's what will happen.

He wouldn't plan out something that breaks his own canon, that's what I was saying. Just look at how he handles sex scenes, which is why there are sometimes complaints that there isn't enough of them or that certain girls have nothing. Everything has revolved around the story up to now.

I doubt Chika would just completely let go of her values because of one guy cheating on her and it would break her side of the canon story severely if she just leapt into these things, it would be a pretty big breach of her known character. About the only way I see her getting any action right now with anyone other than Sensei, and this includes Rin, is if the other girl rapes her. Letting go of her values that quickly would also be an extremely impulsive move from a girl not known to be impulsive at all. In fact, up to now, she's been thinking everything through thoroughly before letting anything happen, that's why we get things later with her than with someone like Ayane or Kirin and then there's Rin, whose impulsiveness is off the charts seeing as she went from one girl to the next and even kissed Sensei out of basically nowhere with no real setup between them on the good homie route.

 

[DeSkel15]

Just to put this out there, Chika does believe, if not for Sensei, she would have probably accepted Rin:

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Which she's told Otoha:

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So, the only things presumably keeping them apart, are their toxic cheating significant others who even know Chika and Rin deserve better than them.

 

[AbsoluteA522]

Just to put this out there, Chika does believe, if not for Sensei, she would have probably accepted Rin:

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Which she's told Otoha:

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So, the only things presumably keeping them apart, are their toxic cheating significant others who even know Chika and Rin deserve better than them.

If one of the two of them were to break up i would definitely put my money on Rin and otoha.

The reason being that Chika and sensei breaking up would be a lot of trouble that is still too soon. If it were to happen it would probably be in a "dark phase" update where everyone and everything is falling apart.

Another reason that Rin breaking up with Otoha means that Rin can finally hook up with sensei (which means more content and more events and lust scenes yay)

This may sound unbelievable but sensei would definitely be a better partner for Rin than Otoha.

 

[DeSkel15]

If one of the two of them were to break up i would definitely put my money on Rin and otoha.

The reason being that Chika and sensei breaking up would be a lot of trouble that is still too soon. If it were to happen it would probably be in a "dark phase" update where everyone and everything is falling apart.

Another reason that Rin breaking up with Otoha means that Rin can finally hook up with sensei (which means more content and more events and lust scenes yay)

This may sound unbelievable but sensei would definitely be a better partner for Rin than Otoha.

Actually, I think it's easily believable. Sensei cares a lot about Rin:

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To the point even he seemed affected by the fact Otoha cheated on her:

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Meanwhile, there's Otoha:

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Not to mention, I doubt Rin would go into a relationship with Sensei expecting to be his one and only, so even him fucking others wouldn't really be cheating.

Hell, she'd probably be down for watching him fuck other girls, if they weren't into her:

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and helping prepare the girls if they were:

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Honestly, if Otoha hadn't been so Otoha in their relationship, I doubt it'd even hurt Rin all that much to find out she cheated. Let alone on an Idol that Rin probably wants to fuck as well. It's just the hypocrisy, secrecy, and complete disregard for Rin's feelings that's going to hurt her.

 

[DeSkel15]

Before I forget, I'd like to point out that Rin seems like she'd even be fine with Ami joining in with her and Sensei:

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To be frank, Rin x Sensei might be one of the most functional possible relationships, well, possible. The only real problem is Rin prefers girls, and I suppose she kind of sucks at secrets which could be a problem.

 

[qaz098]

This may sound unbelievable but sensei would definitely be a better partner for Rin than Otoha

is this how low the bar is with Otoha and Rin that i agree Sensei would be a better partner for Rin if just for the fact he cares about Rin a lot. also yer Rin knows Sensei sleeps around and knows what type of realtionship she be getting into.

on a side note i remember on the second beach trip when Rin tells Sensei that she going to ask out Otoha she say she like Sensei but she wants a real relationship where they both care about each other and can do normal dating stuff. what sucks because Otoha end up being so bad and toxic in the realtionship. it sad to think Rin got with Otoha because she throught it be a more of a real relationship and Otoha been nothing but fake in it.

 

[Okakurwa]

I understand that my words may sound strange now, given the fact that reading the above, I get the impression that I am reading another novel, but let's say all of the above thoughts are true. Otoha Scum, Rin is cool and that's all the rest. But, I have a few questions.

First, the Rin from the first chapter before the rework, the Rin of the first chapter after the rework, the Rin of the second chapter and the Rin of the third chapter are four different Rins. Which one are you talking about? From my point of view, a normal Rin existed only before the rework.

Second, If Rin is so perceptive, why then she didn't know that Molly was in love with her? Why she didn't realize that Molly wouldn't let Otoha play because of jealousy? What Noriko is understood, by the way.

And if she's so perceptive, why she did react to Sensei's name like that?

And most importantly, if she is so perceptive, why then why can't feel for almost six months that she Otoha, as you put it, cheated her

 

[fdsasdf_p]

To be frank, Rin x Sensei might be one of most functional possible relationships, well, possible. The only real problem is Rin prefers girls, and I suppose she kind of sucks at secrets which could be a problem.

Agree; god I want to see that happen so bad!

The fact the Sensei doesn't mind her issues and Rin doesn't mind his fucking around issues (under one condition: she gets to watch or join) are such a match made in heaven. Like, in addition to her roommate and workplace boss, Rin even gives you the pass to go over her mom, what a teenager!

 

[DeSkel15]

I understand that my words may sound strange now, given the fact that reading the above, I get the impression that I am reading another novel, but let's say all of the above thoughts are true. Otoha Scum, Rin is cool and that's all the rest. But, I have a few questions.

First, the Rin from the first chapter before the rework, the Rin of the first chapter after the rework, the Rin of the second chapter and the Rin of the third chapter are four different Rins. Which one are you talking about? From my point of view, a normal Rin existed only before the rework.

Second, If Rin is so perceptive, why then she didn't know that Molly was in love with her? Why she didn't realize that Molly wouldn't let Otoha play because of jealousy? What Noriko is understood, by the way.

And if she's so perceptive, why she did react to Sensei's name like that?

And most importantly, if she is so perceptive, why then why can't feel for almost six months that she Otoha, as you put it, cheated her

Not sure who you're responding to, but Rin's intelligence can sort of be summed up by how Molly stole her first kiss:

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Rin is usually distracted by stuff (phone here, but usually hormones), but when she tries (actually thinks), she can put things together quickly (figured out what's going on). It's just usually too late (got kissed anyway, got cheated on, etc).

That should apply to all those Rins, including the outdated version of Rin (pre rework), as well, since this happened before the rework (and I don't think it was changed). Also, Rin knew Molly liked her, but as Molly knew, she's not Rin's type:

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Rin likely understands why Molly does the things she does, but that doesn't mean she can stop them or has to accept them.

Being Perceptive and being Omniscient aren't the same thing. Sensei didn't even know his name until recently.

Rin is also likely putting it together that Otoha cheated on her, right now, based off the recent beach update:

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Or at least, she's already realized something is going on with Otoha.

Keep in mind, that Otoha has been distracting her with nudes since the Beach update prior to this, when they time skipped, and when she kissed Niki, yet all it took was a few odd words to catch Rin's attention. She's rather smart considering she's only 14, albeit it makes sense why she apparently skipped ahead and was fine.

Whether or not Rin will get distracted and forget, or think she's just being stupid, is up in the air though.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Chikia and Rin are both show to be very loyal and loving in a realtionship and i also think they are kinda perfect for each other.

You're suuuuuure Rin is loyal??? Someone who groped another girl's tit right in from of her girlfriend on the first day of relationship??

Just kidding! Pretty sure she is loyal

 

[Okakurwa]

How convenient it is for you to tear a phrase out of context and attract meaning to it. Instead of realizing that the author takes and makes situations such as he needs. The characters behave this way because they have to, not because they are like that. he puts in the thoughts that you should think, and then he put everything else into the black screen, saying that this is what Otoha did. And most importantly, you forget the words on the banana, from which Otoha did not depart for a second. At the same time, you hypocritically accuse her of all sins, putting in front of the infallible one who does everything only for herself and with rare exceptions for Futaba.

If you tell me that Otoha forced Rin not to communicate with anyone, then this is not in the novel. This is behind a black screen, and in the betrayal branch there is also a pattern where Rin is to blame herself. Well, of course, a chapter and a half in every dialogue to mention that you are a traitor. Anyone will stop communicating there. And especially considering that you can stick your fingers in Chika before the first dialogue with Rin, when she mentions her.

And of all the branches of the plot, Rin herself created such a OTOHA SCUM for herself with endless sexual pressure, and if I had a choice, I would like them never to meet. Otoha deserves more and normal. And not this monster, which was once smart somewhere, but she had nothing left with the rework at all, and in the third chapter she behaves like a clown, which 0.33 showed even more.

By the way, what Rin said in the rework that she was going for a walk with a girl with whom they could never be together. And then this mention of the bottle crosses out everything. Rin sat and insisted that Molly fulfill her whim, not understanding the nature of her behavior, although only a blind person there will not understand what the reason is. And this is a stone in the garden of one genius who broke more than he repaired with a rework