Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[BlackDays]

For those of you that think Yasu didn't see Sekai during "Shelter".

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That Yasu hears Sekai (if that really is Sekai, but i assume it), seems to be given.
Would she only "hear" her, i think she'd rather mistake it for the bunny talking, like: "Oh Penemue, you can talk now!".
But she's looking up and Sekai in her face.

So i guess it's not a "Who is there?", but a "Who are you?"

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

"Who are you?"

I believe there may be a Vorlon in this thread.

Are there any Shadows?

 

[Kitty Hawk]

Any new previews?

 

[fdsasdf_p]

gonna assume this is what i do?

hmm despite meeting all said requirements already, I can only trigger it after finishing other events available at the moment (for now I can't tell which one is needed; perhaps prerequisites on wiki are incomplete?)
Regardless, if you have a guide mod installed, progress with other people first, and Under the World Tree will trigger eventually (verified by specifically using your save)

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Edit: finish all your Ami invite-over til you finish her 3rd event Best Friend Forever. Afterwards Under the World Tree triggered for me; perhaps one of the stated prerequisites "Cold Air of an Encroaching Winter " isn't correct.
Edit2: confirmed; Under the World Tree can be triggered by just editing the amiinvite3 flag to true

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

I had a dream about LiL, the content doesn't matter, but it got me thinking about LiL in that state between reality and dream, so I though about our resident shapeshifter and noticed something about her, she is not a cruel horndog so she wasn't raised by Nozomu, she isn't an awkward ramen enthusiast so not the Wire god either, so she was probably raised by Pareidolia.

This is kind of a stretch, but it raised a big red flag in my brain, with Pareidolia forcing itself onto Akira, and her then appearing and talking to Ayane and even telling her things that seen to contradict Maya, that made me think about a creepy pasta that talked about how Pareidolia was a survival instinct (which is partially true since we are social creatures and need to identify faces, facial expressions and shit), but the text ended with "what kind of predator did we have to face that we needed to develop this instinct" and that led me to the though of how Pareidolia tryes to pass as human, and a helpful human, but may actually be but another predator in disguise.

 

[BlackDays]

I believe there may be a Vorlon in this thread.

Are there any Shadows?

I only remember Lorien asking both questions: "Who are you?", "What do you want?"

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

I only remember Lorien asking both questions: "Who are you?", "What do you want?"

"Who Are You?" was the thematic question the Vorlons would ask of others, most memorably by the inquisitor who interrogates Delenn and Sheridan as to their motivations for taking up their role in the coming conflict.

"What Do You Want?" was the thematic question from the Shadows. Mr Morden in particular asked this of a number of characters, most memorably Londo Mollari (with disastrous results in the long run) and Vir Cotto (who is about the only character whose answer comes to pass with few or no negative consequences). Also Sheridan asked this of Kosh who, quite sternly for him, responded by saying "Never Ask That Question".

"Where Are You Going?" was added by Lorien following Sheridans long fall at Z'Ha'Dum.

A couple of others that could be added to these are "Who Do You Serve?" and "Who Do You Trust?" which were asked by the TechnoMage Galen on B5 Crusade. They may have become arc questions had the show not been cancelled.


Aaaannnddd I've just exposed my age and geekiness now haven't I. Nevermind here I go crawling back under my rock.

 

[alex2011]

For those of you that think Yasu didn't see Sekai during "Shelter".

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That Yasu hears Sekai (if that really is Sekai, but i assume it), seems to be given.
Would she only "hear" her, i think she'd rather mistake it for the bunny talking, like: "Oh Penemue, you can talk now!".
But she's looking up and Sekai in her face.

So i guess it's not a "Who is there?", but a "Who are you?"

This doesn't mean she saw, she could be able to hear without seeing Sekai. Also, yeah, that dress is definitely Sekai.

 

[BlackDays]

"Who Are You?" was the thematic question the Vorlons would ask of others, most memorably by the inquisitor who interrogates Delenn and Sheridan as to their motivations for taking up their role in the coming conflict.

"What Do You Want?" was the thematic question from the Shadows. Mr Morden in particular asked this of a number of characters, most memorably Londo Mollari (with disastrous results in the long run) and Vir Cotto (who is about the only character whose answer comes to pass with few or no negative consequences). Also Sheridan asked this of Kosh who, quite sternly for him, responded by saying "Never Ask That Question".

"Where Are You Going?" was added by Lorien following Sheridans long fall at Z'Ha'Dum.

A couple of others that could be added to these are "Who Do You Serve?" and "Who Do You Trust?" which were asked by the TechnoMage Galen on B5 Crusade. They may have become arc questions had the show not been cancelled.


Aaaannnddd I've just exposed my age and geekiness now haven't I. Nevermind here I go crawling back under my rock.

I liked the show too, till the old ones left for the beyond.
After that, it just went down.
I wonder though what happened to Sheridan's and Delenn's son, in detail.
In some of the epilogue material it's hinted at what happened.
The Shadow adversaries, the Drak/dak?, whatever, who planted that invisible thing on Mollari seem to have done some stuff.

There is, or will be, a new animated movie, which i'll watch when i find it.

 

[BlackDays]

This doesn't mean she saw, she could be able to hear without seeing Sekai. Also, yeah, that dress is definitely Sekai.

Of course we have no proof she saw, that's the point of Sel cutting the sentence (probably).
But why does she look up then?
I especially posted the pictures in sequence, to point that out.

It most probably is Sekai, yeah. The dress, the way she talks.
I just wanted to leave some room for other possibilities, like shapeshifters and whatnot, before i say it's definitely Sekai.

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

I liked the show too, till the old ones left for the beyond.
After that, it just went down.
I wonder though what happened to Sheridan's and Delenn's son, in detail.
In some of the epilogue material it's hinted at what happened.
The Shadow adversaries, the Drak/dak?, whatever, who planted that invisible thing on Mollari seem to have done some stuff.

There is, or will be, a new animated movie, which i'll watch when i find it.

From what I understand a big part of why it dropped in quality after the Old Ones left was there was a lot of doubt as to whether it would get picked up for the fifth season and in order to wrap up all the different plot threads the Shadow War Arc got compressed and the Earth Civil War Arc took the remainder of the Fourth Season which meant the Fifth season when it did happen didn't have the benefit of build up the rest did. Would have been interesting if they could have had a bit more of a dragged out Shadow War Arc that could really delve into he apocalyptic galaxy changing nature of the conflict with the Earth Civil War Arc taking place towards the end of the fourth season into the fifth allowing for a better denouement towards the end of the fifth.

I kinda wish they could do an HD remaster pass of the footage and update the CGI with todays tech and a decent budget (as opposed to the Lost Tales dross that they tried)

 

[alex2011]

Of course we have no proof she saw, that's the point of Sel cutting the sentence (probably).
But why does she look up then?
I especially posted the pictures in sequence, to point that out.

It most probably is Sekai, yeah. The dress, the way she talks.
I just wanted to leave some room for other possibilities, like shapeshifters and whatnot, before i say it's definitely Sekai.

Oh definitely, he loves to do these things, leaving the reader hanging on a cliff with more questions than answers. It's supposed to draw people into waiting for the next installment of the plot point in question.

As for why she looks up, sound is directional, she could be looking in the direction of the voice, which would match the direction Sekai is standing in. The only way this would be less likely is if they were in an extremely resonant space where sound was bouncing in every direction and throwing off her ability to pinpoint the direction from which it originated.

It could be a shapeshifter, yeah, I'm just saying that is definitely Sekai in appearance. The dress and every other part we see is definitely her, but what we don't know is whether that's actually Sekai looking like Sekai or someone taking her appearance for some reason. A big question would be why, why would they take Sekai's form? I don't see anyone that is on the same side of things as Sekai having any reason, so the only ones I can think of would be the side against her and I can't think of a reason they would.

 

[FireCazador]

Actually this reminded me, my eyes are apparently shit, so is the Moon behind Sensei purple, or is it actually blue and the red tint just makes it look purplish:

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If it's purple, then I'm not sure what it's meant to represent. If it's blue, then it's probably meant to represent Ayane/The Shapeshifter or something.

I would say blue for the aura but left side looks more like purple xdd

 

[butterfly boy]

Since it gets discussed on here pretty often, Sensei Overnight is over. Dev's been arrested and pled guilty. Full information over on the SO thread.

Not gonna lie, this is my biggest fear with LiL. Especially with how unstable Sel is.

 

[DeSkel15]

Not gonna lie, this is my biggest fear with LiL. Especially with how unstable Sel is.

Honestly, never was a fan of SO, but considering how obsessed I've become with LiL... if it turns out Sel is the same and this game ends because of that.

Disappointed would be a huge understatement. Sickened as well.

 

[alex2011]

Not gonna lie, this is my biggest fear with LiL. Especially with how unstable Sel is.

I don't see it, what I see in Sel is someone who is fine with fictional content of a certain variety, the wizards. He's essentially the same as I am in that regard, we both accept wizard content in fiction. What the SO dev is accused of is going after actual people, which is not the same thing. Well, I mean, it is the same legally in the place that reported on what the SO dev did because that place doesn't discriminate between fiction and reality, but the place where Sel is from does.

Honestly, never was a fan of SO, but considering how obsessed I've become with LiL... if it turns out Sel is the same and this game ends because of that.

Disappointed would be a huge understatement. Sickened as well.

Honestly, same, I gave it a try and it just didn't have the appeal on either side of the porn vs story fence that LiL sits firmly on the story side of. It was trying to be like LiL without the Denpa elements (not saying it copied LiL, it did not), which just doesn't work. That's why the Denpa elements aren't skippable in LiL, because they are essential, and that was a big mistake in the purpose of SO as explained by the SO dev. The story is why we play LiL and LiL without the Denpa elements would just be...uneventful and boring with the rest of the story the way it is. LiL would essentially have to be rebuilt from the ground up in order to remove the Denpa elements.

 

[hcguy]

I tried SO a while back, and the whole time I was playing I wished the characters were the ones from LiL, so I deleted it.

 

[Dc345]

I think Sel is a narcissistic asshole but i don't think he is pedo. And as for So I played it in its infancy and it felt like a shittier lil with shitty character models.

 

[DeSkel15]

Oh definitely, he loves to do these things, leaving the reader hanging on a cliff with more questions than answers. It's supposed to draw people into waiting for the next installment of the plot point in question.

As for why she looks up, sound is directional, she could be looking in the direction of the voice, which would match the direction Sekai is standing in. The only way this would be less likely is if they were in an extremely resonant space where sound was bouncing in every direction and throwing off her ability to pinpoint the direction from which it originated.

It could be a shapeshifter, yeah, I'm just saying that is definitely Sekai in appearance. The dress and every other part we see is definitely her, but what we don't know is whether that's actually Sekai looking like Sekai or someone taking her appearance for some reason. A big question would be why, why would they take Sekai's form? I don't see anyone that is on the same side of things as Sekai having any reason, so the only ones I can think of would be the side against her and I can't think of a reason they would.

I definitely think the Sekai that's around is actually "The World Itself", that Yasu has mentioned before:

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And I think the only side it's really on is maybe Nao's:

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Hence the "we" here.

Why it takes Sekai's form seems to be for two reasons: Sekai translates to World, and they share a similar mindset and role. It's reasoning behind it's form seems comparable to Nao's.

Of course, I don't think anyone really takes this seriously, lmao. I've decided to label it the "Sekai-spiracy".

Nevertheless:

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[ppbeater]

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hmm despite meeting all said requirements already, I can only trigger it after finishing other events available at the moment (for now I can't tell which one is needed; perhaps prerequisites on wiki are incomplete?)
Regardless, if you have a guide mod installed, progress with other people first, and Under the World Tree will trigger eventually (verified by specifically using your save)
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Edit: finish all your Ami invite-over til you finish her 3rd event Best Friend Forever. Afterwards Under the World Tree triggered for me; perhaps one of the stated prerequisites "Cold Air of an Encroaching Winter " isn't correct.
Edit2: confirmed; Under the World Tree can be triggered by just editing the amiinvite3 flag to true

Thank you very much for taking the time to help me out, I figured I likely had to finish someone else's events, but didn't feel like trying them 1 by 1 until I could actually progress, I assume maybe there was a change in .34 or something bugged