Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[DeSkel15]

Oh, if you understood Russian, I could insert a lot of things now, but since we may have a lot of misunderstandings, I will say only one thing — Psychopathy is not bad, it's the same syndrome where they don't really take into attention the emotions of others and fully understand them. It's not good and not bad, it's just the same disease. And as for the fact that Nodoka doesn't understand, there are exactly two points:
First, why did she say it was worth it when she was beaten?
The second is why did she understand Futaba's feelings from Yumi at all, and when she came and said that she had done garbage with this story in a book, she did not understand? Moreover, she herself did not invite her to the presentation, knowing that she would not like it and she would feel uncomfortable

And I'll tell you why, because the Texas creator himself does not know what his Nodoka is, she's like that, that's it. Logic is also not about Selebus... Sorry

Psychopathy is just a catch all term for mental illness. However, it's used mostly to describe someone seen as bad or villainous. Psychos. Etc.

Okay, so I can only roughly understand what you're saying here, but I think this should answer your questions:

1. Nodoka said it was worth it because Yumi (the villain) was getting in trouble for trying to murder her in public, and Nodoka herself ended up between two girls. She more or less explained the second part:
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   The first is more of an Inference.
2. Nodoka knew that Futaba was bulimic, constantly self deprecating, and constantly crying because of Yumi. Everyone knew Yumi was hurting Futaba. You don't have to understand the pain someone is in, to know that they are in pain. Nodoka seems to mostly just assume how others feel based off rationale.
3. (Not entirely sure what you mean by "done garbage") Nodoka didn't understand why Futaba was upset with the story, because it's just a rectangle:
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   The story is not actually what's upsetting Futaba. It's Futaba's feelings that come from the story that is. Futaba actually found what Nodoka wrote as "sweet" and even "loved it":
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4. Nodoka knew explaining the book to Futaba would be difficult, so she just didn't tell her about it. She explained this:
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   Nodoka was trying not to hurt Futaba, with her book. It wasn't until Futaba chose to read the book without Nodoka's knowledge, that it actually caused her harm, and Nodoka still doesn't seem to understand why it does, just that it does.

Nodoka is really not that hard to understand.

Nodoka even seems to imply that all you need to do to understand her is read:

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There is definitely logic behind her character.

 

[DSasha]

But moving from Nodoka I wanted to share my thoughts on another character with debatable actions and her confrontation with Ayane, Kirin.

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[DeSkel15]

Mmm Idk, for me, Nodoka enjoyed herself hurting Yumi, sure, Yumi started by bullying Futaba (please don't start debating if that was worse or if that was a ton of shit), but I can't just settle that Nodoka assaulted Yumi to protect Futaba, again, I still see it more like an excuse for her to do that (not to mention how Nodoka was molesting Makoto that day).
But yeah, maybe there's more of Nodoka that still we don't know, I will wait to see a few more of her to try to understand her, but for now she's on my top of shittiest ppl in the game.
And also, she not being a sociopath nor a psycopath would just make her a worst person.

Yeah, Nodoka definitely enjoyed punishing Yumi. She also was avenging Futaba:

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Not protecting her.

Yumi has more or less already damaged Futaba for life:

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No way to protect her from what's already happened.

There's a reason even Miku would murder Yumi out of everyone else:

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She's easily the worst person in the class.

 

[DeSkel15]

But moving from Nodoka I wanted to share my thoughts on another character with debatable actions and her confrontation with Ayane, Kirin.

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My thoughts on Kirin:

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I am proud of her for trying to be better, as of late though. Even if it's just so she will feel like she's "enough" for Sensei.

 

[DSasha]

By the way, is Io a good human?

Heh, well, I don't know, but I believe she is.

If I had to say who I think are the "best good humans" of the main girls I would say:
Noriko
Futaba
Yumi
Ayane
Maybe Io.


Not saying that the others girls aren't good humans, just a totally biased and probably wrong ranking based on almost nothing

 

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Well, I had enough of this in the Russian segment and I can't spend another 100500 hours here because of the language barrier. About Kirin.

Futaba broke herself

 

[DeSkel15]

Whether everyone likes Nodoka or not, I just want to let her know that please go to Tsuneyo once you realize what you've done and is in need of a sharp item asap
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I am definitely curious how this whole book thing will go between Nodoka and Futaba. Not to mention, how Nodoka will rationalize sleeping with Sensei behind Futaba's back.

 

[DeSkel15]

Heh, well, I don't know, but I believe she is.

If I had to say who I think are the "best good humans" of the main girls I would say:
Noriko
Futaba
Yumi
Ayane
Maybe Io.


Not saying that the others girls aren't good humans, just a totally biased and probably wrong ranking based on almost nothing

"Yumi"... :

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Honest reaction, but to each their own I suppose.

 

[DSasha]

Yeah, Nodoka definitely enjoyed punishing Yumi. She also was avenging Futaba:

Not only that she enjoyed, but that she did to enjoy herself, and remember how a few weeks we were talking about intentions? Well, that pretty much resume my thoughts about her, I'm trying, but I can't see her as a good person.

 

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Rin alternative

 

[DSasha]

Yumi has more or less already damaged Futaba for life:

This kinda happened too when we talked about Rin/Molly, I think (not trying to be rude) that in these cases you take a side and just defend it no matter what.
You have said this multiple times now, but don't you think what Nodoka did has not the potential to ruin Yumi's life for ever? She sexually assaulted her, cmon

She's easily the worst person in the class.

Yumi? Not a chance

 

[DeSkel15]

Not only that she enjoyed, but that she did to enjoy herself, and remember how a few weeks we were talking about intentions? Well, that pretty much resume my thoughts about her, I'm trying, but I can't see her as a good person.

Nodoka isn't a "good person". Like she said, she, Sensei and Yumi, aren't worthy of happy endings:

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I'd definitely rank her above a few of the characters, though. Especially Yumi and Sensei.

 

[DSasha]

Well, I had enough of this in the Russian segment and I can't spend another 100500 hours here because of the language barrier. About Kirin.

Ahh but I want know, just tell me and I won't reply to not make it hard

 

[DeSkel15]

This kinda happened too when we talked about Rin/Molly, I think (not trying to be rude) that in theses cases you take a side and just defend it no matter what.
You have said this multiple times now, but don't you think what Nodoka did has not the potential to ruin Yumi's life for ever? She sexually assaulted her, cmon
Yumi? Not a chance

Of course, I take a side. The side I see as right. It's not my fault some people refuse to accept what's shown, even when I make sure to show them it.

In my opinion, Yumi deserved to have her life ruined for trying to ruin the life of someone that did nothing to her. I have no pity for Yumi. Nodoka was too lenient on her.

Yumi is easily the worst in my point of view. How exactly is she not?

 

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Ahh but I want know, just tell me and I won't reply to not make it hard

Roughly speaking, Selebus himself does not understand what he wrote in Kirin.

Kirin is a person who wants to be bad, while being good, but not accepting himself

 

[DSasha]

Of course, I take a side. The side I see as right. It's not my fault some people refuse to accept what's shown, even when I make sure to show them it.

In my opinion, Yumi deserved to have her life ruined for trying to ruin the life of someone that did nothing to her. I have no pity for Yumi. Nodoka was too lenient on her.

Yumi is easily the worst in my point of view. How exactly is she not?

That's not how conflicts are solved, everything you said above reflects pretty well why this world is so fucked up as it is right now, people blindfold themselves in what they think is right and don't want to try to understand others, or try to think that maybe they are wrong, they have a side, and the right side, and that's what matters. Doesn't care the side they choose make equal or worse things they will just ignore it and justify it.
I obviously talk about what I think is right too, but the difference is that I don't think that my word is the truth, and is a waste of time disscussing with someone that does it; not your faault people refuse to accept what is shown? That's bullshit.

Your opinion is that if someone hurt other he deserves to be hurt as well? Welp, I'm sorry for telling you, but your opinion just makes no sense, and is highly insensitive and simplist.

 

[DSasha]

Anyway, this heated up pretty bad, so would be better just ending this right here, if what I wrote offended someone I have no problem in apologize and delete the comment.

 

[DeSkel15]

That's not how conflicts are solved, everything you said above reflects pretty well why this world is so fucked up as it is right now, people blindfold themselves in what they think is right and don't want to try to understand others, or try to think that maybe they are wrong, they have a side, and the right side, and that's what matters. Doesn't care the side they choose make equal or worse things they will just ignore it and justify it.
I obviously talk about what I think is right too, but the difference is that I don't think that my word is the truth, and is a waste of time disscussing with someone that does it; not your faault people refuse to accept what is shown? That's bullshit.

Your opinion is that if someone hurt other he deserves to be hurt as well? Welp, I'm sorry for telling you, but your opinion just makes no sense, and is highly insensitive and simplist.

That's literally what you're doing. You're assuming you're the one that's right and that I'm wrong for disagreeing. If you had some evidence for the contrary besides simply thinking otherwise, I'm perfectly fine with hearing you out. Literally just asked for your reasoning.

Now you're saying something as simple as an eye for an eye, makes no sense.. It's "highly insensitive" to say that, lmao.

Sorry to say this, but you might want to look in the mirror.

 

[DeSkel15]

Random, but this game needs more Kaori and Rin conversations like this:

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Lmao.

 

[DSasha]

Random, but this game needs more Kaori and Rin conversations like this:

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Lmao.

Reminded me of this

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What the shapeshifter wanted to say with that?

With Ami is obvious that somehing weird happens sometimes, but it really intrigued me the Niki part.
Also a few events after, I think she was pretending to be Chinami (I will let Deksel to put the ss because Im on my phone), when she refered to Chika by One Chan.

But why, is Niki gone? Or she neve really existed? And how about Chinami?