Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[barglenarglezous]

It's also been seemingly confirmed that Sensei needed two sacrifices. One presumably for him and another for someone else: Assuming this someone else was Maya, and how Sensei may have been giving up his sacrifice for Maya's survival without knowing, something may have gotten rid of Maya so that Sensei would be forced to survive.

I read that whole sequence differently.

I read it as each of the sacrifices was for a different god, which is why multiple sacrifices were required.

And since this sacrifice was definitely ordered by HOPE, who is now in his dormant stage, it seems the sacrifices are akin to fattening up before hibernation, so Molly's taking was for the God of Wires, who was about to enter his dormant stage.

 

[DeSkel15]

So at the end of the audio loop of that cacophony of music and sounds (when Sana says she wants to sing). There is another instance of a computer generated voice. I assume it's Maya, or a Maya at least (past, future or one of the versions of her). I think Its the same voice used previously in events connected to her? (I lost my old notes so I cant find a reference easily). I also cant fully hear what it says but its something like this:

In the midst of these undying rays
a sacrifice is made
10 fingers ripped away from mine
its carapace remains
for if the ????????????? say what
what point is there to stay
why should I bother loving those who always go away.

Does anyone remember if this one has been used in a previous event. Given that its quite clearly connected to the end of this reset "10 fingers ripped away from mine" " a sacrifice" ect. I would guess not but I'm not sure.

To me it sounds like maybe it was an intentional sacrifice (or at least Maya going along with it) to keep Akira's memories intact. Because she did not want to wait thousands of years again, after finally getting Akira back. For what is potentially a "fluke" to happen again.

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Also they have progressed beyond anything Maya had previously encountered. So perhaps thought she could not help anymore and this version of Akira was their best chance of figuring out / getting out of whatever is going on.
Then again, maybe that audio is supposed to be from some long past reset of Akira.

Any thoughts on this?

Considering this occurs around the time Ami is apparently sacrificed and "loving those who always go away" is plural, I think this is probably more related to Ami.

Maya's stuff doesn't happen until after this.

Also for anyone interested, there should be a mp3 called "song.mp3" in the game files. This voice appears in it around 4:12.

 

[DeSkel15]

I read that whole sequence differently.

I read it as each of the sacrifices was for a different god, which is why multiple sacrifices were required.

And since this sacrifice was definitely ordered by HOPE, who is now in his dormant stage, it seems the sacrifices are akin to fattening up before hibernation, so Molly's taking was for the God of Wires, who was about to enter his dormant stage.

Yeah, I can see that, although I'd think there would have been 3 sacrifices then. 1 for each God, since they all seem to want a sacrifice:

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Unless they just only wanted 2 for some reason, or HOPE just didn't require one back in Chapter 1, maybe.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Yeah, I can see that, although I'd think there would have been 3 sacrifices then. 1 for each God, since they all seem to want a sacrifice:Unless they just only wanted 2 for some reason, or HOPE just didn't require one back in Chapter 1, maybe.

Maybe HOPE didn't need as much of one in Chapter 1, or wasn't yet powerful enough to force it to the extent the gods can force it now, because there was certainly a moment in Chapter 1 where Sensei lost control and violated one of the girls. Yumi hasn't shut up about it.

 

[Amnezziia]

I don't even know what to think of this game.

Usually I like the kind of story that leaves you in the dark and there are a lot of things you don't understand, but this is so extreme that I have trouble getting past it. I mean, what the fuck with these visions?

I stopped the game not very long after having the other version of Maya crucified on the T. That's not what made me stop, I just lost the desire to try to go further so that the mystery could be solved.

I don't really have a strong opinion to say that I don't like the game, it's just too weird for my taste. Honestly, I can understand the appel of the story, I also had it to continue playing for several hours, it's just not for me in the end.

But on the bright side, there seems to be plenty of content for those who enjoy the game. I feel like I haven't met half the characters and I've played quite a while.

Anyway, sorry I'm just sharing my thoughts in comments. There's something that makes it a very interesting game, just as there's something that makes it a little too much. This is the first time this has happened to me with this type of game and it intrigues me! Maybe in the future I will even come back and give it another chance.

Good luck to the dev. I won't even advise changing anything because it's damn unique, and that's how interesting it is.

 

[DeSkel15]

I don't even know what to think of this game.

Usually I like the kind of story that leaves you in the dark and there are a lot of things you don't understand, but this is so extreme that I have trouble getting past it. I mean, what the fuck with these visions?

I stopped the game not very long after having the other version of Maya crucified on the T. That's not what made me stop, I just lost the desire to try to go further so that the mystery could be solved.

I don't really have a strong opinion to say that I don't like the game, it's just too weird for my taste. Honestly, I can understand the appel of the story, I also had it to continue playing for several hours, it's just not for me in the end.

But on the bright side, there seems to be plenty of content for those who enjoy the game. I feel like I haven't met half the characters and I've played quite a while.

Anyway, sorry I'm just sharing my thoughts in comments. There's something that makes it a very interesting game, just as there's something that makes it a little too much. This is the first time this has happened to me with this type of game and it intrigues me! Maybe in the future I will even come back and give it another chance.

Good luck to the dev. I won't even advise changing anything because it's damn unique, and that's how interesting it is.

This game is in the "Denpa" genre. It's more or less designed to make you question reality, and they don't tend to end happily. Also you literally haven't met half the characters yet, lol. You're apparently around the 2nd update out of 35 (considering that's when the Letter T stuff happened).

However, if you found that early Happy Event too extreme, well, it's probably for the best. This game gets pretty fucked up at times, and the actual "bad" stuff may have only just now began.

 

[Amnezziia]

This game is in the "Denpa" genre. It's more or less designed to make you question reality, and they don't tend to end happily. Also you literally haven't met half the characters yet, lol. You're apparently around the 2nd update out of 35 (considering that's when the Letter T stuff happened).

However, if you found that early Happy Event too extreme, well, it's probably for the best. This game gets pretty fucked up at times, and the actual "bad" stuff may have only just now began.

Yeah, I read some comments and the story seems to be really dark. Thanks for the new word, I didn't know the "denpa" genre at all.

And seriously? 2 out of 35? This game is absolutely monstrous in terms of content!

And thanks again for the heads up, I'm actually not sure I'll like it if it goes too much into the bad stuff.

 

[Vizer007]

Yeah, I read some comments and the story seems to be really dark. Thanks for the new word, I didn't know the "denpa" genre at all.

Then I highly recommend you to try (as blind as possible) Doki-doki literature club (VN) and Omori (RPG maker game) to understand if you are into denpa or not. LiL is a bit too forward in that regard and scare initiates off.

 

[Amnezziia]

Then I highly recommend you to try (as blind as possible) Doki-doki literature club (VN) and Omori (RPG maker game) to understand if you are into denpa or not. LiL is a bit too forward in that regard and scare initiates off.

Thanks, I'll look at that!

 

[JelF547]

And seriously? 2 out of 35? This game is absolutely monstrous in terms of content!

AFAIR it holds world record for all visiual novels, pornographic or not. Also it is 35 of about 80-90 planned

 

[Amnezziia]

AFAIR it holds world record for all visiual novels, pornographic or not. Also it is 35 of about 80-90 planned

That's absolutely crazy

 

[TheLarceny]

Just finished the update, well I know Im behind your guys in theorising and stuff but just to be confirmed I want to say something

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Am I right? Sorry for my bad english

 

[JelF547]

Just finished the update, well I know Im behind your guys in theorising and stuff but just to br confirmed I want to say something

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Am I right? Sorry for my bad english

Yep, it looks pretty logical. There are also versions in which Maya sacrificed herself during reset or Maya only got reset because blacked out Sensei raped her, but I like them less

 

[DeSkel15]

Honestly, at this point, I think people really just don't want to even think that Sensei actually ended up raping Maya to death.

Which, yeah, is understandable. That's one tragic love story, Sel.

 

[TheLarceny]

Honestly, at this point, I think people really just don't want to even think that Sensei actually ended up raping Maya to death.

Which, yeah, is understandable. That's one tragic love story, Sel.

Its not impossible, I need to replay that event later.
But yeah, I mean the other times that maya had sex with any version of sensei, It causes to reset sensei.
But this time it cause maya to reset. So maybe you are right and this time it was sensei that made the choice

 

[DeSkel15]

Its not impossible, I need to replay that event later.
But yeah, I mean the other times that maya had sex with any version of sensei, It causes to reset sensei.
But this time it cause maya to reset. So maybe you are right and this time it was sensei that made the choice

I don't think Sensei made the choice, exactly, but well, taking all of this into account:

I don't think Maya had a choice here. It seems heavily implied that Sensei was raping her while blacking out like he's done before.

This happened right after Maya revealed that he used to black out on her all of the time:

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She also mentioned that Sensei tore her costume off, and put it in:

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And was in a pinned down position, where as that doesn't really seem to make sense for Maya, if she was having any control of the situation.

Overall: I think Sensei blacked out, raped Maya, and since he is the one doing it instead of her, she is the one that was broken.

And in hindsight adding that they are on the roof (which is apparently no longer a safe zone), Maya was being forced onto concrete, and Sensei apparently couldn't stop:

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I just struggle to see it being anything else.

Not to mention, I don't think it'd fit Maya's character to sacrifice herself, even for Sensei. She can live without him, and has for apparently a long long time. Maya would just prefer living with him if given the option. I also don't think she'd want Sensei of all people to suffer as she has, which he'll likely have to, now.

 

[TheLarceny]

I don't think Sensei made the choice, exactly, but well, taking all of this into account:

And in hindsight adding that they are on the roof (which is apparently no longer a safe zone), Maya was being forced onto concrete, and Sensei apparently couldn't stop:

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I just struggle to see it being anything else.

Not to mention, I don't think it'd fit Maya's character to sacrifice herself, even for Sensei. She can live without him, and has for apparently a long long time. Maya would just prefer living with him if given the option. I also don't think she'd want Sensei of all people to suffer as she has, which he'll likely have to, now.

Yeah Im seeing that right now.
Now my mind will be busy with the game for a few days


But what if maya being popped have nothing to do with sensei raping her or her choice to have sex with him?
Ami made a few point this update that soon she will be the only one and stuff so think she knew Maya will be popped and the sex thingy is just another thing that happend there

 

[Bingoogus]

sensei raping her

Do you really feel that's the right way to describe what happend? Rape? We know for a fact that Maya would love nothing more to be fucking him every chance she gets, it's the bullshit universe's fault she has to restrain herself but does that fact really meant she doesn't consent? This isn't a case of a dude saying she was asking for it, or deep down she liked it, we KNOW Maya wants it, her consent is effectively a given, always, anyway, anyhow, she's not denying him sex cause she doesn't want it, it's purely cause it'd kill him and she doesn't want him to die. Even whilst being 'raped' she says blackout sex is the best and is overjoyed to finally be getting some even if she's dying during it so describing it as rape really gets under my skin, for all the rapey shit that happens in this game, this just ain't one of them and it undermines the definition of that word, it's weight and its purpose.

 

[TheLarceny]

Do you really feel that's the right way to describe what happend? Rape? We know for a fact that Maya would love nothing more to be fucking him every chance she gets, it's the bullshit universe's fault she has to restrain herself but does that fact really meant she doesn't consent? This isn't a case of a dude saying she was asking for it, or deep down she liked it, we KNOW Maya wants it, her consent is effectively a given, always, anyway, anyhow, she's not denying him sex cause she doesn't want it, it's purely cause it'd kill him and she doesn't want him to die. Even whilst being 'raped' she says blackout sex is the best and is overjoyed to finally be getting some even if she's dying during it so describing it as rape really gets under my skin, for all the rapey shit that happens in this game, this just ain't one of them and it undermines the definition of that word, it's weight and its purpose.

Well you are right, but Im not exactly interested in her sex with sensei
Im more on that matter whether the sex caused the Maya popped or popping her was something that would happen this reset, with or without sex
And honestly making that clear wouldnt have any benefit for lore making at least for myself
Its just a curiosity that I have

I personally didnt think of rape at first but yeah Maya would even consent that with him
But if it was forced on her by blackouted Sensei even we know they both wanted that, it started forced so for that I called it rape
But again you are right, they were both desperate for eachother

 

[yomamasass]

Hello, I may be a little behind the curve but I remember there being a planned SFW version, what happened to it? I have a friend whom I would like to suggest this game to but they ain't really into this whole sex thingy (who is totally not me, I am a strong heterosexual male who produces lots of sperm). I searched the game files and found out SFW version title is there, that might be bad housekeeping on selebus'es side. But I couldn't find any SFW versions on subscribestar or itchio. Was this never implemented or is it dropped or am I just blind?