Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

Apollo259 · Nov 11, 2023

And now I'm going down the rabbit hole because half of the tweets on there are from the perspective of the characters in the upside down house. The names line up with the names we just got in the blue balloon images and so do the random bits of information.

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Anyway I'm going to stop now. But there is a whole bunch more on that twitter and if you read it assuming its someone inside the upside down house alot of it kind of fits.

Its the first time I have seen these twitter posts so apologies if people had already seen this stuff.

k1n5l4y3r · Nov 11, 2023

Ugh this ~~twitter,~~ I mean, X thing makes me remember those FBI ARG recruitment rumors from the 2000s.

DSasha · Nov 11, 2023

Has Sel ever spoken about how personal this game is?

I don't quite like it how hard to follow this game is sometimes.

I like LiL a lot, but I think the problem I have with this game is that I think I can not trust in Selebus at all

DeSkel15 · Nov 11, 2023

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And now I'm going down the rabbit hole because half of the tweets on there are from the perspective of the characters in the upside down house. The names line up with the names we just got in the blue balloon images and so do the random bits of information.

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Anyway I'm going to stop now. But there is a whole bunch more on that twitter and if you read it assuming its someone inside the upside down house alot of it kind of fits.

Its the first time I have seen these twitter posts so apologies if people had already seen this stuff.

Y might also be Yuko. Based off Nodoka's story in her 'Lavender' event, Yuko seems to be the one responsible for stuff:

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Such as books and food, which that checklist seems to imply.

Also in retrospect, Yuko might be Yuu's real name. Even though they are assumed to be the opposite gender. Shapeshifting is apparently a thing in this.

I'm beginning to wonder if Yuu, Yuko, DOUBT, and Balaam the Prophet may all be the same person. Maybe even "papa".

Also, at this point, if Nodoka hasn't been to The Upside Down House:

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I'll be a little surprised. Even that assumed random mention of "orange juice":

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Makes some sense now, based off that checklist by Y.

Edit: Also the fact that Ai seems to be the one who specifically communicates in Lower Case is quite interesting.

DeSkel15 · Nov 11, 2023

DSasha said:
Has Sel ever spoken about how personal this game is?

I don't quite like it how hard to follow this game is sometimes.

I like LiL a lot, but I think the problem I have with this game is that I think I can not trust in Selebus at all

In some of the Care Packages, Sel has some commentary on certain scenes like Ayane's traumatization by Kirin, Sensei forcing himself on Yumi, and Rin cutting herself.

The main take aways tend to be that Ayane is like a daughter to him, and putting these girls through hell in a tasteful way, matters quite a bit to him. Rin especially seemed to be going through things he seemed to deem personal, and important.

I think it's fair to consider this game and what's in it, personal to Sel.

JelF547 · Nov 12, 2023

Fun observation: If Nodoka is daughter of Kyoko Nagasawa, she is likely Ami's aunt.

Run Ami, run!

DeSkel15 · Nov 12, 2023

JelF547 said:
Fun observation: If Nodoka is daughter of Kyoko Nagasawa, she is likely Ami's aunt.

Run Ami, run!

Ironically, Ami would probably be into it even more than Nodoka:

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I mean, Ami seems Bi and already a little into Nodoka. They both seem really into Incest as well, and Ami would probably love that she could just be herself around her, and that she had more family than just Sensei.

Amdoka shipping, begin.

k1n5l4y3r · Nov 12, 2023

JelF547 said:
Fun observation: If Nodoka is daughter of Kyoko Nagasawa, she is likely Ami's aunt.

Run Ami, run!

I can see it especially after the way Nodoka reacted to Akira's name and after she learned about Ami's mother.

DeSkel15 said:
Ironically, Ami would probably be into it even more than Nodoka:

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I mean, Ami seems Bi and already a little into Nodoka. They both seem really into Incest as well, and Ami would probably love that she could just be herself around her, and that she had more family than just Sensei.

Amdoka shipping, begin.

If she is Ami's aunt now Ami can have a threesome and keep it in the family.

JelF547 · Nov 12, 2023

k1n5l4y3r said:
If she is Ami's aunt now Ami can have a threesome and keep it in the family.

Family values

Also, she can finnaly get laid in good uncle route. Christmas miracle, no less

DeSkel15 · Nov 12, 2023

k1n5l4y3r said:
I can see it especially after the way Nodoka reacted to Akira's name and after she learned about Ami's mother.

If she is Ami's aunt now Ami can have a threesome and keep it in the family.

My response:

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Seriously though, Ami would totally have been in a few threesomes by now if not for Sel wanting GU/BU routes, and having to make both work story wise.

Still rooting for Ami x Rin (for some reason), but Ami x Chika seems the most likely at this point. Chika's down:

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Ami x Nodoka definitely wouldn't surprise me though. Family or not.

Kitty Hawk · Nov 12, 2023

Can anyone make a family tree with all the theorized relatives of Sensei?

DeSkel15 · Nov 12, 2023

Kitty Hawk said:
Can anyone make a family tree with all the theorized relatives of Sensei?

Just a rough draft.

Implied Relatives:

Saki - Deceased Mother
- Saki's probably murdered family - Deceased Relatives.
Yuu - Possibly Deceased Father
- Yuu's probably dead parents - Deceased Grandparents.
Nozomu - Deceased Brother
Sekai - Deceased Sister In Law and Girlfriend/Mother figure
Ami - Niece through Nozomu
Shapeshifter (Possibly Himawari) - Possibly Daughter by Ayane
Noodles - Adopted Bird Son (?) with Tsuneyo
Ayane's unborn child - Unborn child

Theorized Relatives:

Sana and her murdered brother - Possibly Niece and Deceased Nephew (Father might be Nozomu)
Nodoka - Possibly Sister, or Niece (Father might be Yuu, or Nozomu). Also calls Sensei "Papa" so... Daughter?
Rin - Biological parents are unknown (Could be related). Calls Sensei "Dad" sometimes.
Ami - Possibly Daughter by Sekai.
Chika and Chinami - Possibly Nieces. (Father might be Nozomu)
Kanon and her brother - Possibly children. (Just a theory)

Might as well be Relatives:

Niki - Like a Sister.
Noriko - Like a little Sister.
Maya - Like an adopted Daughter. Possibly kidnapped?
Nao-chan - Kidnapped her with Kaori, who considers herself her Mothermom, so Sensei might as well be her Fatherdad.

Other Stuff:

Chinami calls him "Papa", but wants him to marry her big sister, which would make him her brother in law.
Otoha seems to see Sensei like a little brother, for some reason.
Touka has taken on somewhat of a caretaker role for him and Yasu. Becoming like a Mother figure.
Mommy Nakayama seemed to care about Sensei. Possibly like a son, albeit also may have wanted to fuck him.
Makoto tricked Sensei into signing marriage papers. Just hasn't turned them in yet.
Sara and Maki seem to somewhat see Sensei as a substitute Father for their daughters.

Kitty Hawk · Nov 12, 2023

DeSkel15 said:
Just a rough draft.

Implied Relatives:

Saki - Deceased Mother

Saki's probably murdered family - Deceased Relatives.

Yuu - Possibly Deceased Father

Yuu's probably dead parents - Deceased Grandparents.

Nozomu - Deceased Brother

Sekai - Deceased Sister In Law and Girlfriend/Mother figure

Ami - Niece through Nozomu

Shapeshifter - Possibly Daughter by an Ayane

Noodles - Adopted Bird Son (?) with Tsuneyo

Ayane's unborn child - Unborn child

Theorized Relatives:

Sana - Possibly Niece (Father might be Nozomu)

Nodoka - Possibly Sister, or Niece (Father might be Yuu, or Nozomu). Also calls Sensei "Papa" so... Daughter?

Rin - Not clear who her actual parents are, so could be related. Calls Sensei Dad sometimes.

Ami - Possibly Daughter by Sekai.

Kanon and Brother - Just a theory.

Might as well be Relatives:

Niki - Like a Sister.

Noriko - Like a little Sister.

Maya - Like an adopted Daughter. Possibly kidnapped?

Nao-chan - Kidnapped her with Kaori, who considers herself her Mothermom, so Sensei might as well be her Fatherdad.

Other Stuff:

Chinami calls him "Papa", but wants him to marry her big sister, which would make him her brother in law.

Otoha seems to see Sensei like a little brother, for some reason.

Touka has taken on somewhat of a caretaker role for him and Yasu. Becoming somewhat of a Mother figure.

Mommy Nakayama seemed to care about Sensei. Possibly like a son, albeit also may have wanted to fuck him.

Well done. Should also probably add Chika and Sanabro. Now we just need a fancy visualisation, with portraits and arrows and stuff.

JelF547 · Nov 12, 2023

The more I think about Rin mother, then more it feels like she might be Sensei sister as well. Crazy mother, religious sect, sounds like upside down house

Apollo259 · Nov 12, 2023

I'm sure they will all end up being connected through the upside down house in some way eventually.

Kitty Hawk · Nov 12, 2023

Okay, I started to work on a prototype chart. I'm open to suggestions or criticism, but current style seems fit for me.

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Kitty Hawk · Nov 12, 2023

I hope I didn't do something wrong.

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DeSkel15 · Nov 13, 2023

Kitty Hawk said:
I hope I didn't do something wrong.

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Nice. Looks good to me.

I'd probably add that Tsuneyo might be adopted though. It's not entirely clear, but she definitely doesn't look like her father:

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Tsuneyo also doesn't really seem to differentiate between biological and adoptive parentage, and doesn't seem to understand reproduction itself:

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So, yeah.

Her mother might also be alive. It seems like she's just not in the picture:

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Albeit, I may have missed her being mentioned to be dead.

Yumi is also like an adopted sister to Chinami and somewhat Chika, while Yasu seems to have been more or less adopted by Touka. Albeit, these don't seem that notable.

DeSkel15 · Nov 13, 2023

Random, but I'm kind of hoping Kanon and her brother are Sensei's and Niki's kids.

Kanon has pinkish eyes, and a hairstyle that looks like one that Noriko has sometimes:

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We also had Niki thinking about having a kid with Sensei last update:

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Then, later on, Kanon showed up for the first time in this game:

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Could potentially be Nodoka's though, considering the recent Niki vs Nodoka conflict in Sensei's head:

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And Nodoka foreshadowing getting pregnant:

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Of course, there could also just be no relation to Kanon or her brother at all.

fdsasdf_p · Nov 13, 2023

Apollo259 said:
And now I'm going down the rabbit hole because half of the tweets on there are from the perspective of the characters in the upside down house. The names line up with the names we just got in the blue balloon images and so do the random bits of information.

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Very interesting findings!
I vividly remembered the first two lines spoken by a rabbit doll, but I don't remember if the rest of the poem is at all also in the game as well. Too bad the poem wasn't properly signed, otherwise I might start seriously considering the parallels between the 5 girls and the rabbit dolls.

Since all these rabbit dolls have angel names, perhaps they are former women who "worked hard enough" in the eyes of Yasu's god and and graduated into angels, whose forms Sensei perceives as rabbit dolls. Saki/Miu/Reina/Kyoko/Ai, Penemue/Wormwood/Muriel/Yomiel/Zachariel, etc. Maybe that's what the upside house and their activities are insinuating? The process of ~~going insane~~ ascension in the name of a fucked up god?
(btw these five angel names are not in any particular order, and are the only five Yasu ever mentioned; there are more in the background according to her, so this is not a "5 upside down girls and 5 angel names?! CONFIRMED!!!" kinda deal)

However, only Saki is confirmed to be believing in god, and thus the most possible out of the five to really be applicable to hypothesis like this; cannot say the same for the rest due to a serious lack of everything.

Kitty Hawk said:
I hope I didn't do something wrong.

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I love how even the most mysterious girl Maya still has unnamed parents while Otoha is just her

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