Moonflare

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If it's an ass tierlist, I think I'd do better on it than a boobs one - that's based on my younger days though, cause right now I'm likely only qualified for "how much my body wants me to die" tierlist/"how much I resemble Wakana" tierlist :ROFLMAO:

Thanks for the high tier though, LessonsInDissonance - it is always my hope that my posts bring something to the community.
 

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You're getting my point backwards. I'm not starting from the idea that Nodoka is talking about Futaba's mother and then extrapolating that it must be Yuko, I'm starting from the idea that Nodoka is talking about Yuko and that Yuko and Futaba have been connected before, and then trying to interpret what Nodoka says about that connection here.

The things that Nodoka says about "she" in that passage point to Yuko more than they do to Kyoko:
  • "She" has the key to the attic. In "Lavender", Kyoko keeps telling Yuko to come downstairs while the screen shows stairs and "there's something in the attic" repeated.
  • "She" is the one who gets the groceries. Yuko is the one who fills the shelves with new books (so she has the ability to get physical items), and right after Kyoko tells her to "repopulate the shelves", her next sentence is telling her to put food on the table. When searching for something else, I just ran across an image from an old Apollo259 post that shows a shopping list with books and groceries signed with a Y.
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Not to mention that Yuko is clearly special in some way since Pareidolia doesn't list her as one of the five named residents of the house.
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At no point did I suggest that Futaba wears lavender perfume because of a conscious memory of Yuko's hair. Supernatural/symbolic parallels are very much a part of this game.

But in any case, the connection between Futaba, lavender, and the upside down house is more than just her perfume. When Sensei tries to remember her story of the upside down house, he hallucinates (thanks to Pareidolia?) lavender plants over her.

In her first sexual scene, he compares her to a lavender garden.

When Nodoka brings up the girl with lavender hair, Sensei explicitly connects her to Futaba.

There's probably more that I don't remember. Honestly I didn't think it was controversial that there is some connection between Futaba and the girl with the lavender hair. Do you think Selebus intends it to be coincidence that two different characters are so strongly associated with lavender imagery?

It doesn't have to mean anything, but Nodoka's interest in Futaba seems to parallel Kyoko's obsession with Yuko.

I forget the event(s), but at some point Nodoka implied that she only became friends with Futaba in the first place (which was pre-resets) because there was something unusually interesting about her.

The mother possibility was just speculation based purely on the way that Nodoka worded her sentence, it was not an idea I seriously considered before this update. To me, Nodoka saying "you're special because she was" implies more than just similarity, she thinks that there is causation involved. Heredity is just one possible cause.

After thinking about it more, it's unlikely that Yuko is her mother. At some point Futaba said she looks like her mother, which probably means that she isn't adopted and her mother doesn't have lavender hair.


Futaba confirmed that Nodoka's mother is named Kyoko in this last update, though it was already speculated since Pareidolia listed a "Kyoko Nagasawa" along with other upside down house residents.
Gotcha, I was mainly fixated on how to create a scenario where Yuko could be fitted as Futaba's real mom and I couldn't do it.

And quite frankly, I was struggling with the said 'connection' between Yuko and Futaba quite a lot if the sole shared element is just lavender. For example, I could say the reason for the lavender imagery in Sensei's vision or him explicitly 'connecting' to Futaba when the girl with lavender hair was mentioned is simply because Futaba wears lavender-scented perfume; that's just how she smells like and thus that's what he thinks of when his mind wanders or prompted (especially in the latter example Sensei even told you why he thought of Futaba amidst of Nodoka's rambling). It's not Futaba reminding him of lavender or lavender reminding him of Futaba out of nowhere.

What I'm getting at is that Futaba left this flowery impression on Sensei all by herself via her own choice of perfume. That's why lavender imagery/the use of the word lavender/thinking about a girl with lavender hair colocalizes with Futaba so much in Sensei's head. As long as it can be explained by something mundane, I don't see the need to force an unexplainable connection here between Futaba and Yuko using lavender, as it feels just like an unnecessary false positive. Without other supporting evidence looking at Futaba/Yuko from other angles, we're left with believing Selly being intentional about the choice of using lavender to present these two characters, and that really isn't a solid lead. In addition, the inconsistency in Yuko's name is also not a valid argument in this matter; it just tells you that Yuko's role might be different from other residents but it cannot be linked back to Futaba.

The only thing I'd give a pass around lavender is, what you mentioned, the seemingly mirroring behaviors of Nagasawa females fancying other females with lavender elements, as this is showing the similar lesbo energy between Kyoko and Nodoka, but NOT proving the connection between Yuko and Futaba.

HOWEVER, I find the attic and the groceries bits quite interesting, and honestly a whole lot more convincing than the lavender bits. I was thinking whether those bits were extremely exclusive to Yuko (like, what are the odds of Kyoko or another person being the one that had the key and collected groceries as some form of rotating responsibilities?), but then I remembered that Nodoka supposedly can only know this via Kyoko's words, hence whoever Nodoka is referring to should have a very high chance to be the same person Kyoko mentioned about the attic and the grocery. The question now becomes "why Nodoka draws this comparison?" Is she just connecting them because of the superficial lavender elements, or is there actually something a lot more substantial deep down?
 

Fire Lord Zuko

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Here's a better tierlist


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Huh… didn’t expect so high a placement, but thanks!

Imo Moonflare, DeSkel and aramaug all deserve S tier for the sheer amount of theorycrafting they get into. Their posts really make you think… Also Dc345 for keeping us up to date with the previews and event titles! Legend.
 

Bingoogus

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God i'm so fucking bored again... nothing to play or watch... all out of frozen pizzas, all i got is cigarettes to distract me from how fucking bored i am... you guys should put on some kind of performance for me... argue about... umm... who deserves the most attention from Akira and why.
 

JelF547

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I feel seen and appreciated! TY!
It's all because of your pfp :cool:
God i'm so fucking bored again... nothing to play or watch... all out of frozen pizzas, all i got is cigarettes to distract me from how fucking bored i am... you guys should put on some kind of performance for me... argue about... umm... who deserves the most attention from Akira and why.
Obviously Otoha, she is the best girl
 

DeSkel15

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God i'm so fucking bored again... nothing to play or watch... all out of frozen pizzas, all i got is cigarettes to distract me from how fucking bored i am... you guys should put on some kind of performance for me... argue about... umm... who deserves the most attention from Akira and why.
The only girl that Sensei will ever need:
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Still kind of annoyed by this, lmao. Like, of course, the literal mother fucker waits until the daughter of the mother he fucked, is broken and by her own words:
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"pretty fucking miserable", before saying something like this.

Side note; It was quite satisfying to have what I've been thinking since the start, be said so bluntly:
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Ayane gets a family that cares (pseudo sister and father), thanks to Ami, but Ami simply gets a friend...and not even one she can trust.
 

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If it's an ass tierlist, I think I'd do better on it than a boobs one - that's based on my younger days though, cause right now I'm likely only qualified for "how much my body wants me to die" tierlist/"how much I resemble Wakana" tierlist :ROFLMAO:

Thanks for the high tier though, LessonsInDissonance - it is always my hope that my posts bring something to the community.
If its an Ass tier list i need my own tier .Squats and good genetics have made men question their sexuality and women jealous.

EDIT:Curse Sel for my boredom. 1723019955591.png

This is based on who is more usefull in the sense of figuring out wtf is happening in this game.And remember guys its all a joke unless you agree with me,then i am completely serious!
 
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Bingoogus

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The only girl that Sensei will ever need:
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Still kind of annoyed by this, lmao. Like, of course, the literal mother fucker waits until the daughter of the mother he fucked, is broken and by her own words:
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"pretty fucking miserable", before saying something like this.

Side note; It was quite satisfying to have what I've been thinking since the start, be said so bluntly:
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Ayane gets a family that cares (pseudo sister and father), thanks to Ami, but Ami simply gets a friend...and not even one she can trust.
I was soooooo sure the image hidden in the spoiler was gonna be his desk... :ROFLMAO:
 

Fire Lord Zuko

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argue about... umm... who deserves the most attention from Akira and why.
There are two answers I think could be argued here. One is Noriko because I mean... come on. Just look at how many times she's been cucked or ignored:

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The second applicable answer is Tsukasa. She's clearly affection-starved from both of her parents and definitely needs it from someone:

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So again: Noriko and Tsukasa are my picks. Unfortunately, I'm worried just what sort of 'attention' Tsukasa would receive from Akira as his past temptations slowly continue to reawaken. We may just get a glimpse at what he may have been like in his tutoring days with Maya...

And ironically enough, Tsukasa reminds Akira of Wizard Noriko, as we see in Chinami's "Holden Caulfield" event:

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AKA the 'correct' choice to remain on the Green Path. So yeah, that's a thinker.
 

PhiloPhilo

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Christ, you're all fucking stupid. Morons. Buffoons, even. Yasu obviously deserves the most attention. All she's ever done is her best despite feeling like nothing. She's the toy of a false god, she has no one, and still devotes herself to what she's been told is what's right. She is an innocent little angel, deserving of freedom, love, care, and a place in the world. She deservers the chance and the dignity that comes with knowing what it's like for most people to be a little girl, someone's sister or daughter, someone's best friend, even a normal human being. A chance to grow and experience the little joys and comforts that come with people seeing you just as they see everyone else, for your best friend to not feel like your caretaker, for people to treat you with respect. When will she have done enough to deserve that much? When will she have done enough to deserve our respect? When will we see Yasu not as a traumatized girl, or a walking radio for some other-worldly person or being, but as a person?

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DeSkel15

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Christ, you're all fucking stupid. Morons. Buffoons, even. Yasu obviously deserves the most attention. All she's ever done is her best despite feeling like nothing. She's the toy of a false god, she has no one, and still devotes herself to what she's been told is what's right. She is an innocent little angel, deserving of freedom, love, care, and a place in the world. She deservers the chance and the dignity that comes with knowing what it's like for most people to be a little girl, someone's sister or daughter, someone's best friend, even a normal human being. A chance to grow and experience the little joys and comforts that come with people seeing you just as they see everyone else, for your best friend to not feel like your caretaker, for people to treat you with respect. When will she have done enough to deserve that much? When will she have done enough to deserve our respect? When will we see Yasu not as a traumatized girl, or a walking radio for some other-worldly person or being, but as a person?

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