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To me, it reminded of one sci-fi book. There was an intelligent alien race with a very short life cycle. The members of this race looked like kangaroos, were hermaphrodites, and died right after they gave birth. The newly born child would drag the dead parent's body to the outskirts of the settlement to feed to the livestock
For a second there, I thought you were going with a How to Serve Humans reference. But no. That sounds much cooler. But I got a "we sent Rover to a farm upstate" feel from that title. Hope not, but won't be shocked.
 
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Anyway, respectfully, I'm done talking about Otoha. The whole point of declaring it a bias was to not have to justify it, but I thought it would be impolite of me not to address your replies (since it was started with your post). If this topic moves forward it will be with other people.
Allow me to share my opinions on Otoha here. I hardly write any character analyse since it’s just subjective and I certainly hate doing lectures, but Otoha always strikes me as a character hinged between intrigue and trite, as if Selebus didn't implement her characteristics very well.

From the get go she was one of contradictions, a normal caged bird who aspires for freedom and life. And it serves a decent parallels with Nodoka (whom I never thought could be a girl with such iniquitous mind and MO...Coloring Book was so heartwarming that I really can't put my finger on why these moments shattered in a blink of an eye). With help of Nodoka she managed to escape from her strict family, a thing that Akira and Sara never had a chance to, basically she had everything she wanted, she accepted confession of Rin as a test of affection, made well into her musical career and insisted a healthy relationship with Akira, unlike the brocon side she finally "revealed" to us. And as we all see she didn't put a lot effort into the relationship and always stayed passive, I thought it's natural because that's how she was, tentative and insouciant and she got used to taking everything for granted, sure, I understood. My bet was that she would either gradually drifted away and broke up with Rin (now that I'm fed up with incessant girlfriend dramas of Rin, no offense to anyone likes them), got a lesson on treasuring what you already had and became better, or she'd finally make up her mind to create a vis-a-vis exchange with Rin and tried to patch it back, or even just stuck here forever. I'm an optimistic man you see, for some reason I kept craving for warmth and hope in this darn tragedy compilation aka Lessons In Love.

And then everything turned out to be...weird, not the usual tragic and sentimental sensation I've felt for a fall. Why would Otoha, in a sudden, become a person who puts her carnal lust ahead of everything? I mean, did those deeds to Niki without hesitation and flinch? Cheating without even a bit of remorse? I thought she's one the bound by most but now she is depraved as some of the worst characters? Seriously I'm not going to accept it as an usual plot twist. Especially with fifth reset intentedly omitting all further attempt to cheat on Rin hereafter. It just made me feel weird, like her behaviour is totally at odds with what I perceived her as before. In LiL I've seen some of the most radical character developments and I embraced it with enjoyment because they are foreshadowed and gradually implemented. But this is what I've never foreseen. Several hints here and there on her obsession with Niki? Fine although I took it as combining of admire and jealousy before it. Tended to get stressed and throw a tantrum when things didn't align with her ideal? Sure that's very plausible. Drowned in lust and cheating just because her girlfriend lost a competition on some other guy and argued with you when you wanted to give more insouicant comfort? Uhh...not even logically cogent.

I have a hunch that Selebus was trying to fashion Otoha into a duplication of Sekai from the start, they definitely had mutual kinks and personalities. After all The red line "I can see you, you can't see me, she can see me" in Breathing in Unison is too obvious a clue to insinuate relationship underlying and unseen between Sekai and Otoha. I could ramble more on theory of how Sekai consciously corrupted Otoha but that's just too artificial. At least corruption of Sana looks more beautiful than unwarranted cheating...

So tl;dr: For me character arc of Otoha is so inconsisent and abrupt compare to others that I have to take the probability that Selebus made great lapse or change of her template into consideration. And I believe community embraced Otoha slander& hate (with which I personally don't agree) might be a result generated from it. Feel free to lecture me more.
 
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HOLLLYYY SHITTT ITS GONNA HAPPEN.
My friend doesn't get what you mean. Like, I totally get it myself, but I don't think I'd do a great job explaining to them what's going to happen, so if you could explain it to them they'd be pretty thankful.
 

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I'm so confused
I'm not a 100% on the timeline of this, but making a guess, the second one complements the first because by that time Maya recognized that Akira is her Akira. Hence telling him what he used to do before the cycles, vs what the fake Akiras have been doing inside the cycle.

But again, even if that's not the case, the first screenshot has her talking about a very specific type of episode (that may be be cycle specific) and the second one is a more general "you have always had psychosis".
 

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I'm so confused
What are you confused by?

Sensei experienced hallucinations since before the first loop begun.Sensei and Maya knew each other a LONG time before the first loop begun.
 
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I'm so confused
Maya was responding to two similar questions but under different contexts.

In your first example, the episodes Maya were referring to are likely those that are highly unexplainable in nature; things like Sensei going hyperventilating as soon as Maya did something deemed forbidden, or having very very nonsensible hallucination out of nowhere, then having zero recollection about any of that. Essentially, shit observed within the loops is so weird that Maya has no other choice but to blame the loop and her cosmic curse.

In your second example, the hallucinations Sensei was actively consulting Maya were a lot more defined. Hallucinations that involved hearing doomsaying messages were presumably a type of manifestation of his own trauma associated with the accident, and were previously observed and experienced by Maya firsthand. What Maya failed to understand was that this time it really was different from what she knew, and she's made a morbid mistake by drawing parallels. Sensei wasn't experiencing his PTSD in the form of hearing voices; he was receiving real warnings from forces unknown. In addition, Sensei has recovered plenty of his past by the end of Ch3, and thus it is not entirely impossible that Maya only then decided to be a little more honest about what she knew since she didn't have to tread lightly about giving information.

Or, not giving Sel the benefit of the doubt and labeling it as his oversight is also an option.
 

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I'm so confused
As the others have pointed out: Maya Prime is seemingly referring to two different things.

Sensei has been hallucinating since at least the Accident, if not since he was born considering his mental issues seem hereditary. He's also been blacking out since presumably the Accident, and Ami likely has as well.

His Hallucinations and Blackouts are seemingly Pre Reset things, and things that he's had since the tutoring days. Maya is well aware of them since she had been dealing with them for around 8 years, even before the Resets.

However, since the Resets, Sensei seems to go into shock, delirium, and/or die from hearing about/remembering his and Maya's relationship, or even hearing her say she loves him (Presumably, Sensei's feelings for Maya are literally dangerous). Apparently, hearing her say she loves him has more or less killed him quite a bit:
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These Maya related Episodes seem to be what Maya was referring to as something Sensei has had since the first Reset/loop.

It doesn't seem like she realized how related to them she actually was, and that's likely why she didn't understand how the Nakayamas can do things that would be fatal to Sensei, if she did them instead:
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They also don't seem to matter much when it comes to New Maya, albeit it could be due to other factors at the moment.
 
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